[00:02:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> Nah, real gamers self-host a git repository instead of using someone else's git forge.
[00:06:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [1/2] obviously that was just jesting
[00:06:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [2/2] the real and true answer is to build your own wiki software because the voices in your head told you to
[00:08:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> And design and build your own hardware to run the server software.
[00:08:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> exactly! we don't trust things made by other people, god no
[00:09:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> some conspiracy theorists are probably swimming in "told you so" bucks and i love that for them
[00:22:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to pskyechology> I managed one of those for about a year before we swapped to miraheze, unfortunately it's deficient in tables and navigation features.
[00:23:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47, replying to pskyechology> Also write all wiki content in a constructed language you created.
[00:23:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> There are far worse setups, but there are also better alternatives.
[00:24:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers, replying to posix_memalign> I honestly did not know this even happened, but I guess this kind of proves my point: Fandom keeps throwing those who actually care about the platform under the bus, and so often that it's hard to keep track when they do it.
[00:25:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> I think mossbag's video was even made before the change to the terms of use that stated you can't advertise wiki migrations at all... I think they actually added that rule after the Hollow Knight wiki's very public migration.
[00:27:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> I remember the AI stuff (<https://community.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003817077>) because it was so widely panned.
[02:46:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to emiliers> After I forked DPL3 originally fandom switched off their fork to my fork so...
[02:46:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to posix_memalign> I did a 100% rewrite only about 5% of the original code was reused in the slightest.
[02:48:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to cosmicalpha> i guess they said "woah a fork of our own buggy mess of an extension? replace ours with that one
[02:50:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to bartomelow> DPL was originally made by Gamepedia before Fandom took over, they maintained a fork after that for a little while before eventually switching to mine lol.
[02:51:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to cosmicalpha> -# when cosmos skin recode /j
[02:52:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I have to do some work on it for codemirror support with 1.46 apparently. Won't redo the whole thing but itll force me to set my setup for it up again which will probably to a bit more patches.
[02:54:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> my 1.47 bingo card has "some change forces CA to use a computer" on it
[02:56:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> mmmmm
[02:56:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to cosmicalpha> That's hilarious. I didn't notice that the mighty Fandom is relying our stuff lol. Will add that as well.
[02:58:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to posix_memalign> add what where?
[03:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to bartomelow> To https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PetraMagna/Comparison_of_wiki_hosts. The page says that Fandom's in-house extensions differ from open-source forks, which is inaccurate for DPL3/4 because Fandom is using the open-source version.
[03:38:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to blankeclair> To be fair, I still have a bunch of wiki communities on Fandom though, I hope I could move more of them through better platforms someday when the circumstances permit
[03:41:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> And a lot of people who are here or on wiki.gg or other platforms may have started their wiki journey on Fandom
[03:45:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to emiliers> I talked to a former wiki specialist, genuinely seems like they hate Fandom a lot right now (same case for others who moved on from Fandom to, say, got a job from wiki.gg)
[03:48:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers, replying to justleafy2003> [1/2] It's true that Fandom was a lot of people's starts at wiki editing, though I think for newcomers looking to start a new wiki right now, it'd be incredibly irresponsible to suggest Fandom as a viable host. Like on both the editor and visitor end, they're horrendous, and the way they treat the community is awful, which is even worse considering the community
[03:48:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers, replying to justleafy2003> [2/2]  is the only reason they even exist.
[03:48:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> Which is why I mentioned earlier that I felt Some Kind of Way™ about trying to find pros about Fandom, when they've continually shown they really don't care about the very people who make their platform worth visiting.
[03:53:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to emiliers> True. Imagine if you're a new wiki editor and happened to arrive on either a platform like Miraheze or wiki.gg. You probably already know Fandom's avoidable in this regard anyway
[04:06:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> That is true. I forgot this was in Petra's userspace for a hot minute there lol.
[04:13:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Oh shit, leafy. I have things to discuss but not right now
[04:13:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Also hoping you and yours are doing good what with world and regional craziness
[04:15:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to emiliers> [1/2] > colorer text
[04:15:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to emiliers> [2/2] they only ban inline style on mobile. `.color-red{color:#f00}` + `<span class="color-red">hi/span` work well. i'm also pretty sure bc our wiki used to have many such annoying classes to make sure all style works on mobile
[04:17:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> Ah, I didn't realize you could finagle it to work... Would've been useful knowing this years ago LOL.
[04:18:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> <tabber> doesn't work on mobile but there're two ways to bypass: (1) use wds-* classes to make tabs (2) use infobox to make tabs but make sure it's not the first infobox of the page
[04:19:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> Tabbers was another thing that we really wanted on mobile and was constantly frustrated it wouldn't work! I didn't realize you could finagle that too
[04:19:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> actually, one reason i agreed to leave fandom is, our code is becoming more and more hacking
[04:19:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> they could have been written in a better manner
[04:21:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> since we didn't use <tabber> a lot i only noticed tabberneue is also a bit buggy after we replaced existing instances with it. i'm considering to turn, again, to the tab template on dev recently
[04:24:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> once they mistakenly made importjs available on mobile. i thought it's an intended change and i wrote many lines of style for some js stuff on mobile. a couple of days later they found it's mistaken and disabled it again. guess how angry i was they literally made a monkey out of me!
[04:26:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> not to mention they sometimes change names of classes, destroying my design
[04:27:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> actually our wiki until now has the infobox-made tabs… i plan to migrate sometime i'm not sure
[05:41:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to notaracham> Sure go ahead
[05:41:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to notaracham> Oh yeah, I'm doing fine and I am safe, don't worry
[06:54:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> It does surprise me that Fandom is unwilling to maintain DPL3 since it is one of the only two ways to manage structured data on the platform besides using Lua. Makes me wonder how much engineering resources went into these silent backend improvements as opposed to everything else.
[06:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Anyways I made another round of updates. Mostly expanding content on Fandom and some small corrections for wiki.gg.
[06:56:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/6] From what I gathered. Some Fandom issues after the mossbag video:
[06:56:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/6] 1. Changing the forking policy a week after.
[06:56:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [3/6] 2. Laying off most wiki representatives.
[06:56:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [4/6] 3. Using Gen AI to translate wikis in multiple experiments.
[06:56:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [5/6] 4. Requiring login to view diffs/recentchanges.
[06:56:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [6/6] 5. Firing most wiki specialists and discontinuing fandom stars.
[06:57:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Fandom's just crumbling as we speak that it's just madness/clown shows.
[07:04:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Unrelated: The absolute gumption to announce/release death stranding 2 on PC hours/scant days before Crimson Dawn releases, wow
[07:05:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Wild.
[07:06:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I GUESS I'M BUYING 2 KICKASS GAMES IN THE SAME WEEK
[07:08:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> RIP your wallet.
[07:21:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> staff batch removing lyrics w/o receiving dmca? idk if that counts
[07:22:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> but that's also a main reason we left fandom (we learnt it from a vlw page)
[07:25:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Well.  That's shitty.
[07:28:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> That's just a low blow right there.
[07:28:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> yeah, we left because they removed lyrics without notice. we even contacted one of the composers (who is the copyright holder) to ask them if they DMCA'd us, and they said no
[07:29:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> that's also why BanG Dream! left and migrated to Miraheze too iirc
[07:29:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> apparently GTA left partly because they've up'd censorship requirements for bad language/violence
[07:29:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> They did leave for Miraheze. IndieWikiBuddy redirects me to the new wiki.
[07:30:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> oh yeah I know they left for MH, just wasn't sure if the lyrics removal was the main driving force or something else (we share some editors)
[07:32:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Wow.
[07:35:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> but yeah not sure if lyrics removal is significant enough on its own, but combined with GTA wiki's experience, it's clear that Fandom is tightening content policy restrictions, probably in an attempt to make the site more advertiser friendly...
[07:36:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to emiliers> The page maintains a neutral and informative tone for the most part except a few sections where I start berating certain hosts lol.
[07:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to wickerbasket2540> i still dk how iwb works
[07:38:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> i mean, it passes all other wikis' request in a minute but just overlooks ours
[07:38:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> we originally planned to link to iwb on our notice page seeing how easy it is to add a new wiki
[07:38:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> it took a few months for them to add ours (and that was after several people submitted requests for it lol); i think it just depends on priorities
[07:39:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> ours have been more than half a year
[07:41:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> i suggest ||miraheze fork it||
[07:41:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> ||to support wikis moved from fandom to mh||
[08:08:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to honoka55> Though I think tech is unlikely to do it (we usually work with upstream). Apparently wiki.gg made their own version of this extension: https://www.wiki.gg/redirect
[08:17:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [1/2] when the dev likes wiki people
[08:17:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484103484419735563/image.png?ex=69bd0293&is=69bbb113&hm=bb20ac38225dcb96f62d89ed8176603678d755d55bb0f339b2a4cd8a09b03c54&
[08:21:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> wgg's one looks cool
[08:22:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> then would mh be open to work with upstream on this?
[08:22:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> mh reviews wiki requests and import requests and knows best about the moved wikis
[08:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] I think if you submit a PR yourself that might be enough to get things moving. 
[08:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] If we have someone in tech work with the devs extensively, then the tech team member could become a co-maintainer to handle MH-related requests. In the end, it depends on how receptive the maintainer is to new contributors, though.
[09:21:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> a pr of what?
[09:25:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [1/2] if you mean this i don't think it helps
[09:25:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484120647155060857/Screenshot_2026-03-19-17-25-00-470_com.github.android-edit.jpg?ex=69bd128f&is=69bbc10f&hm=1b01dacf82e2e2910deefcc3656ddc60e4d30231b0bdc79f9122c4ca246b0fd7&
[10:49:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to honoka55> Never mind. Somehow I missed it when searching for open PRs.
[12:23:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to m6ga> wait what lmaooooooo thats dope
[14:19:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> mh does much faster than it when it comes to wiki review
[14:46:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> [1/2] hi does anyone remember when i crashed tf out when every us servicemember in knox country had seemingly thrown away their guns into the ocean
[14:46:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484201489823170762/Screenshot_2026-03-19_104223.png?ex=69bd5dda&is=69bc0c5a&hm=103f5dd76b8ea3e169283994c8d198d666918367ce4daa34a06261f75d0c2e50&
[14:46:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> well
[14:47:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> https://tenor.com/view/ninjala-ninjala-season6trailer-ninjala-season6-season6trailer-season6-gif-22070682
[14:56:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> oh my god so so much more m16s
[16:22:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> @posix_memalign oh yeah, btw, weird gloop has 14 main wikis, tho they only show 12 on weirdgloop.org
[16:23:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> the two other wikis are runescape dragonwilds and brighter shores
[16:23:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> https://meta.weirdgloop.org/w/Licensing
[16:27:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> (excluding meta and non-en wikis)
[16:32:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> interesting
[16:32:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> [1/2] i assume they dont include brighter shores for this reason
[16:32:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484228165021864078/image.png?ex=69bd76b2&is=69bc2532&hm=2ddc2512cb4a52f153cdcec6d5504f2d64665582ff8d0199ae4f66aa8d83100f&
[16:49:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> [1/2] which of these two styles do we reckon look better?
[16:49:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484232369463361556/image.png?ex=69bd7a9c&is=69bc291c&hm=b32201b5cf50487dbcdc0a2d5742cacf643ee9b3eb8206fc7d27544ce072293e&
[16:49:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> top or bottom?
[16:52:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Bottom
[16:52:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Looks more wikipedia-like as well to me
[16:53:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> hmm
[16:53:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> thanks
[17:36:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> was considering on using Edge, but playing any video on youtube is so laggy
[17:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> why were you even considering that lowky
[17:38:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> idunno
[17:38:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> wiki work prob
[17:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] i also really like these little "borders" edge has
[17:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484245138095214652/image.png?ex=69bd8680&is=69bc3500&hm=845e72e301679bacaf0843da63d8cc8684ba417c5bd91cdf75e782859d3fbf56&
[17:40:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> wish more browsers had that
[17:47:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484247070352347186/image.png?ex=69bd884d&is=69bc36cd&hm=32fe258b73f1f12782e153bfe21ef011b8542b2e3fb4fdafc3c6a8b5030a663f&
[17:48:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Pff, hell yeah communisim
[17:49:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> I don't understand what they're saying in the main post.
[17:49:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> The first sentence is defeating me via grammar.
[17:53:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> I think they're saying they keep getting falsely blocked for ban evasion?
[18:03:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> makes me more than a little concerned what we are in for to be honest
[18:03:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> there is much to say about fandom but their identification of alts at least beyond collateral hits is not something I've heard as a particular issue with them
[18:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon, replying to bartomelow> firefox clears i think
[19:26:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia looks awesome
[20:04:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> im locally hosting my website on my domain ! https://alcoholic.beer/
[20:04:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> this was far easier than using a service that provides this
[20:15:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Awesome website
[20:16:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> thank you
[20:16:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> now start selling ads on it
[20:18:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> now put cider on it
[20:19:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> 1500 alcoholic drink pngs
[20:19:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> my pc would blow up i think
[20:21:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to kai84> Home server?
[20:24:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to pixldev> my computer
[20:24:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> the site will go offline everytime my computers not on
[20:24:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> but thats a fun quirk
[20:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Are you using a reverse proxy or direct to your home network
[20:25:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to pixldev> no idea what these funny words mean magic man
[20:25:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> its using cloudflared
[20:25:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> cloudflare deez-
[20:26:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh okay the. Yeah
[20:26:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> i asked gemini if i was at any security risk and it said basically just dont put anything but website files inside the website folder
[20:26:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> cloudflared is pawesome
[20:26:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yeah you should be fine
[20:31:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It could be a security risk
[20:31:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But the default configs should be fine
[22:58:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org, replying to kai84> alcoholic beer, my favorite kind
[22:59:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org> y no picture of a beer on the site
[22:59:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484325593385537567/ce4eb289-d6ec-4f69-9110-81e75fd642d2.png?ex=69bdd16e&is=69bc7fee&hm=d03f45763ec75e0538dd24624ae4ba35ba4566f7a13a422b35fe48f3d16fc8f2&
[23:00:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org> i fear for my network
[23:00:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org> oh yeah that's a thing isn't it
[23:00:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> i would shoot kai if he put ai slop on his site
[23:01:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org> that isn't AI, it's 1000 hours in Paint
[23:01:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org> 😇 :steveo_kek2:
[23:01:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [1/2] uhuh
[23:01:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1484325930456584413/image.png?ex=69bdd1bf&is=69bc803f&hm=9428946afc36b8018df081c518866e98be784981e46884a831cc7e9be7fab0fa&
[23:01:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org> doctor always said I was borderline artistic
[23:04:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to kai84> amazing
[23:10:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> i finally got it to boot when my pc boots
[23:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> fuck you losers im making my own wiki farm !!!
[23:10:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> /j
[23:10:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> ok
[23:11:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> ok sorry skye
[23:12:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> damn bro just instantly folded