[14:20:56] [1/2] :BIGpleading: beeg milestone [14:20:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1499777650707660962/image.png?ex=69f60848&is=69f4b6c8&hm=fb12407251ef30754e7ac00464799014217b0d2dc49482279e7f0440369789e1& [14:23:38] Congrats!!! [14:33:09] thank u! [14:37:57] Does anyone use Brave and sometimes JavaScript for some reason just doesn't work? [14:38:26] javascript in general? [14:39:02] i have issues sometimes on wikis [14:39:10] ill reload and no js has loaded but only on wikis [14:39:24] yeah like the entire browser just won't load JS for some reason sometimes [14:39:39] seems to happen if I leave the window open and close my laptop and come back after a couple hours [14:39:50] even browser extensions stop working; super annoying [15:25:41] A lot yeah [16:02:06] So, how would you categorize 100s of pages when there are a few categories a page could be in? [16:02:57] Eg I wanted to change all category:place to category: X district eg Aeterna Distict or Nox Distirct [16:10:23] Could probably do it with AutoWikiBrowser or a similar bot program? I'm far from an expert, though. [16:11:08] That’s what I tend to use [16:11:46] I kinda wish I could of come up with the Distircts idea before I had 100s of places written [16:12:20] Are they categorized by navbox or infobox? [16:14:21] Catergories [16:19:11] I am not changing the infobox as I prefer a category based system for where places are loclated [16:20:30] I mean, if you were going to add something like "District: [District Name]" to every infobox, you could add "Category: [Same District Name]" at the same time. Doesn't really help. But, I think the question was, is there anything you could use as a search term to generate a list of pages that belong to each district? [16:21:30] And uh, I tghink not as I will probly be assigning Distircts after the pages was written but ty [16:22:48] Sounds like you're probably in for a long manual editing session. 🙃 [16:31:28] I could probly scrap a cople of felds and replace one with the district one [17:56:51] definitely AWB [17:58:07] [1/2] easiest way with AWB would make a .txt list of all the page names you want to categorize, then use the Make list dropdown Source "text file" [17:58:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1499832307245125672/image.png?ex=69f63b2f&is=69f4e9af&hm=b9b871b9e8c7e611f5d5ce54899e61022f3a42e38dd0ba6e014a017cbceb345a& [18:03:38] Can you do on JWB, as I cannot run AWB without WINE [18:15:05] i don't use JWB, so idk :< [18:18:30] nice [18:24:58] Pretty sure, it’s just slightly more tedious [18:30:54] Thanks!! 🥳 [19:31:18] I wonder what happens when an bigish American airline goes bust [19:31:23] Apparently Spirit are about to [20:14:07] Our comedians will have to find a different one to make fun of, for starters. [20:14:50] [1/2] My God, the prophecy is true, it's the real John Gamer [20:14:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1499866710323237008/image.png?ex=69f65b39&is=69f509b9&hm=cd873c099e62ed368ae2a2ab8a0662a0a6c795bcf5a09c326ff417bd4d99cef3& [20:30:27] Fair [20:30:42] Apparently it's going to be 3AM Eastern [20:31:15] Which makes sense because airlines normally go bust when all their planes are either on the ground or on route to a hub [20:31:47] They don't want planes siezed by too many airports [20:31:57] Especially any foreign ones [20:33:00] They'll want to get any planes in South America / Mexico home [20:33:42] Honestly, I see it as the canary in the coal mine. It bodes poorly for basically everyone, long term. [20:35:12] Immediate term, maybe more jet fuel to go around for other airlines, but I don't know what that amounts to practically. [20:37:30] But also, people losing jobs and more people having less access to travel. (Which worries me personally as a pet-sitter, which relies on people traveling.) [20:38:12] Airlines going bust isn't good [20:38:39] The logistics of it is kinda fun though [20:39:59] Fair. If only practical logistics types were consulted on anything anymore. 🙃 [20:40:43] The collapse of Monarch and Thomas Cook (Op Matterhorn) in the UK were at their time the largest peace time reparation scheme for British nationals abroad [20:41:01] Because the UK has passenger rights [20:44:51] Op Matterhorn remains the largest peace time repatriation scheme [20:45:44] I went and looked it up. I was very confused about the "reparation" scheme. Repatriation makes more sense. ^_^ [20:46:22] My spelling is awful @neshomeh [20:46:47] I assume the US has no passenger rights and will just abandon people [20:47:25] I actually don't know. [20:50:22] I asked Chat GPT and it says there's no equivalent of the ATOL scheme for Americans [20:50:40] And the US government would tell you to file a chargeback and hope someone else can take you home [20:50:50] Yeah, from what I can see, looks like the best you might hope for is a refund. [20:51:26] -# chatgpt instead of google? [20:51:56] When Monarch/Thomas Cook collapsed, the UK Government brought everyone back to the UK on government flights whether you had ATOL protection or not [20:52:15] some queries are better for chatgpt [20:52:34] Which is a scheme you fund through a small charge on travel bookings that helps gets you home or a refund if your tour operator collapses [20:53:51] Sounds reasonable! [20:54:50] The day game developers start making their games supported for Linux is when Windows is cooked or whatever the Linux dudes say [20:55:05] most games do work [20:57:28] except the ones I play [20:57:44] I mean given in both cases a major airline collapsed, every single person who needed to come home was brought home and it funded about 80% of the cost of doing so, yeah. [20:58:05] The government picked up some extra costs to bring non ATOL protected passengers home as well [20:59:07] See, that's the kind of sane, people-centered thinking we just can't tolerate around here. /sarcasm [20:59:55] [1/13] GPT says [20:59:55] [2/13] Collapse [20:59:56] [3/13] Total cost [20:59:56] [4/13] ATOL funded [20:59:56] [5/13] Govt funded [20:59:57] [6/13] Monarch (2017) [20:59:57] [7/13] ~£60m [20:59:57] [8/13] ~£50m [20:59:58] [9/13] ~£10m [20:59:58] [10/13] Thomas Cook (2019) [20:59:58] [11/13] ~£100m [20:59:59] [12/13] ~£75–80m [20:59:59] [13/13] ~£20–25m [21:00:20] Monarch was about 100k people, Thomas Cook 150k people [21:00:33] Yeah we're actually good at some stuff in the UK [21:00:36] Not a lot [21:04:29] I have a fond memory of an English friend of mine, the one time I got to visit, Brit-splaining canals to me... like why would you go to all the trouble of building a bunch of roads when you already had a river right there. He was being silly, but I mean, point! Rivers were better than roads for a lot of history. 🙂 [22:21:22] Anyone have good examples of stylized Wikipedia-style inboxes? [22:30:00] the wiki.gg css from migration to self-hosted makes me question my own sanity [22:30:28] DLW sure is a lot [22:30:42] always something broken with the legacy vector and it feels like applying duct tape on top of more duct tape [22:32:09] I wonder if making the skin from scratch would take less energy and time but then the mediawiki skin system feels incredibly convoluted for what it is [22:33:00] at least we're sovereign now?? miraheze was also on the table but apparently the IP owner has the resources, so why not [22:33:11] With a couple lines changed you can get legacy Vector to use a reasonable amount of CSS variables [22:33:40] I definitely don't want to return to wiki.gg post RDSgate when we were left wondering for days on wtf was going on till someone actually joined their discord [22:33:52] and we couldn't even lock the darn thing despite malformed edits [22:34:08] Which gives you as much styling capability as Vector 2022, though ThemeToggle is not compatible with that [22:34:22] Vector 2022 is neat but the toolbar on right is very questionable [22:34:29] also wastes a lot of space to be centered [22:36:19] at least wiki.gg isn't as evil as fandom and actually lets you fork off [22:36:36] I think the narrow layout makes sense, I'm much more comfortable with reading that way [22:36:46] But the double sidebars are a bit odd [22:36:50] What happened? [22:37:12] Did they let you redirect your old .wiki.gg subdomain [22:37:38] Also yeah RDSgate was kind of embarrassing [22:38:19] they have an article about it [22:38:25] [1/2] short version is [22:38:25] [2/2] DB upgrade fail [22:38:29] they only use discord for communication [22:39:04] [1/5] not even a banner or anything just [22:39:04] [2/5] - random errors sitewide [22:39:04] [3/5] - db lock [22:39:05] [4/5] - rollback, db unlocked [22:39:05] [5/5] - another rollback + malformed edits [22:39:05] I have a bot that tracks whenever the service is unstable and you can tell when Alex joined and when Alex left based on that alone [22:39:45] the funniest thing is that post 2nd rollback we had malformed edits happening and at most we could put up a Mediawiki:Sitenotice [22:39:50] to discourage editing [22:40:06] imagine if we had way larger community [22:40:39] I can't imagine how it was for Terraria or Warcraft lol [22:40:43] in general their support wiki is incredibly unhelpful on the discrepancies between mediawiki and whatever they have [22:41:10] the said lack of permission for the DB lock wasn't mentioned anywhere while we were scrambling for a temporary solution to this [22:41:42] like sure if it was just pure mediawiki I would only be mad on myself for not reading the thing but sometimes there's just straight up nothing [22:42:08] + you don't have access to the server itself, so you can't really change any PHP variables?? [22:42:18] and that is how you lock a DB so yea [22:42:24] Well yeah that's the case on like every host [22:42:35] Miraheze doesn't mention it either because it's implied [22:43:07] idk at least let us halt the edits temporarily when shit hits the fan instead of making us wait like 10 days for the support response [22:43:14] It's kind of mediawiki.org's fault for not mentioning what part is for the user and what part is for the site admin [22:43:38] And DB locks and LocalSettings.php are mostly of concern to site admins [22:44:06] I guess it was also their fault to unlock the DB before checking if everything was okay [22:44:17] this caused the said malformed edits, if you were to submit any commits [22:44:54] straight up entirely different articles post 2nd rollback if you were to make an edit [22:45:25] I think their biggest whoops is not emptying the cache after performing a rollback [22:48:15] [1/2] so um, here we are ig [22:48:16] [2/2] hopefully there won't be as much spam and that we'll be able to beat the SEO [22:48:39] Which wiki are you competing with [22:49:15] wiki.gg mirror, it's not like we're big or anything [22:49:27] You can just ask them to close the wiki tho [22:49:32] as a side bonus that thing was migrated by Fandom and has remains of their crap [22:49:45] well that's what we did lol scraping all of that data wouldn't be really feasible [22:50:17] So then you're not competing with wiki.gg but just with Fandom? [22:50:20] just gotta set up everything again and fix the darn css or rewrite the skin [22:50:31] I guess [22:50:42] I meant that the wiki.gg redirect will show up first [22:50:55] not sure about Fandom mirror lol that thing's probably ancient as hell and is not endoresed in any way [22:51:02] Did you ask them to redirect the wiki.gg wiki to your new one [22:51:16] They've been doing that for a couple wikis recently [22:51:21] yes I know of this feature [22:51:33] we're just not ready for it yet [22:51:46] Oh like you're still setting up the new wiki [22:52:14] [1/2] well yea [22:52:15] [2/2] the sysops is kinda busy at times and we don't really have ssh/ftp access [22:52:33] Makes sense [22:52:38] [1/2] so it takes a bit [22:52:39] [2/2] and the css too [22:53:07] at least it's someone who actually knows how to do things unlike the original owners of the wiki.gg mirror [22:54:23] is there like any sandbox for styles though?? or do I just experiment on a new style lol [22:54:39] You can experiment in your personal CSS [22:54:51] you mean devtools? [22:54:58] or the preferences page [22:54:59] Special:MyPage/common.css [22:55:13] It's linked from preferenced if it's easier for you to click from there [22:55:46] the main issue with it is that we just don't have original legacy vector anymore [22:55:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1499907229581574195/image.png?ex=69f680f6&is=69f52f76&hm=564a8818a9b5e2ee8217f4cf4ddbcd4f6fc1a2aa405a32920267067ee8703639& [22:55:53] These pages [22:55:54] sysops would have to reinstall it or make a new one [22:56:03] oh we don't have such links LMAO [22:56:14] Are you sure [22:56:18] How does it look for you [22:56:31] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1499907399895482429/image.png?ex=69f6811f&is=69f52f9f&hm=7c24fc49104bf52b5e55375710173609ccd8ed989aa512f285773c9cfad1d287& [22:56:42] I do have interface admin though [22:56:54] Lmao I can take a guess why [22:56:59] probably some variable from php not enabled [22:57:10] [1/2] [22:57:10] [2/2] [22:57:17] Tell them to enable these [22:57:45] But in the meantime the Stylus extension is pretty good [22:58:51] The "Vector legacy (2010)" is legacy Vector though [22:59:20] I guess your issue is that wiki.gg made modifications to their Vector 2010 which you don't have anymore? [23:00:13] wiki.gg made edits to vector 2010 and their stylizing shits itself on our mirror [23:00:34] Yeah, happens [23:00:41] [1/2] they use completly different name schemes for some panels [23:00:41] [2/2] like it mostly works but there are things straight up missing [23:01:09] ie recent page can't have the commits expanded despite the advanced recent changes or whatever the extension was [23:01:11] Strange how they haven't open-sourced their changes given it's GPL-licensed [23:01:34] I should have dug more because I use the wikitext gadget for vsc at times [23:01:55] would be incredibly helpful with the css [23:02:20] gpl doesn't force releasing it publicly [23:02:31] Oh yeah [23:02:38] isn't it just a license [23:02:41] You can ask them for the source [23:02:48] can is the keyword [23:02:51] they don't have to [23:03:00] not that I am bummed out about it, it's their work [23:04:16] for clarity here: viewing a website is not distributing [23:04:18] [1/2] Hmm [23:04:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1499909360459972708/image.png?ex=69f682f2&is=69f53172&hm=66297e079a2d2015b2db866da77a2a0c5da132c38a292985591d810a37819c3d& [23:04:38] What a strange license lol [23:04:56] if you want to force public-ness, use MIT [23:07:01]