[00:36:42] fyi I have made a sandbox version of [[Template:User info]] with Miraheze colours in a sandbox as RhinosF1 suggested: [00:36:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:User_info [00:36:43] https://login.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:User_info/sandbox [00:36:43] Miraheze's logo only uses two colours, and the WMF version of the template has four colours. So I alternated the two colours. Does this look okay, or should we use four colours? If the latter, what should the other two colours be? Feel free to propose any changes in the sandbox [07:29:47] For when he comes back I think it looks okay, let's allow time for others opinon [14:11:05] dmehus: 08:29:47 For when he comes back I think it looks okay, let's allow time for others opinon [14:37:25] RhinosF1: ack, sounds good. I'll post on Community Portal to give it a little more visibility and wait a week or so [14:38:08] Ok [14:38:23] Someone got on the wrong bit of the train [14:38:31] They are going to have a fun rest of the afternoon [14:38:32] oh [14:39:25] interesting, as in you can't go between cars when it's in motion, or as in they got on the wrong train, going the wrong direction? [14:39:30] On a weekday when it splits you can correct your journey without double backing [14:39:34] But not on a weekend [14:39:39] ah! [14:39:45] dmehus: the train splits half way through the journey [14:39:48] fun [14:40:15] Only way to get back on track on a weekend is to go back and then catch another train [14:40:55] I have no idea why we split at different stations depending on a weekend or weekday [14:41:26] * RhinosF1 's train is running 16 minutes late and he hopes it stays above 15 [14:42:27] ah, interesting, yeah, Canada doesn't have as much in the way of passenger rail as the UK. From my limited experience, only one train splits in the Vancouver SkyTrain system, and that's where one Canada Line train goes to Richmond and the other goes to the airport [14:42:40] but it's not a long journey and they run very frequently [14:42:41] This train will terminate earlier than usual today but it won't affect me [14:42:47] ah [14:43:01] dmehus: you have loads of passenger rail, I went interrailing on the Canadian east coast [14:43:23] RhinosF1: true, I should've clarified, west of Ontario [14:44:09] The UK has a lot of shit rail [14:44:22] yeah, it does, lots of different rail systems, too [14:44:34] all different sizes [14:44:42] some abandoned tracks even [14:45:04] one could spend months or years wandering along UK rail tracks most likely [14:45:10] if one wanted to [14:45:29] I've spent 64 hours on trains this year [14:45:35] wow [14:45:49] That's not all UK rail though [14:45:53] Some European [14:46:10] And American [14:46:12] have you travelled to Wales much in your life? [14:46:17] I'd love to go there [14:46:23] I've been to wales before, not for a while [14:46:27] ah [14:46:29] It's all regional monopoly though, so they've no incentive to make it actually good/ [14:46:53] My trains are invariably 20+ minutes delayed. [14:47:06] @sakurababochka: ah, that's too bad. :( [14:47:39] My worst delay this year is 48 minutes [14:47:52] My best journey was 65 minutes early [14:47:54] that's bad [14:48:08] dmehus: 48 minutes is not bad [14:48:23] I've had a lot worse than 48 minutes [14:48:41] Ye, 48 minute delays are pretty alright. [14:49:09] I've seen some very fun delays that luckily I'm yet to experience when the east coast line goes to pot too [14:49:25] RhinosF1: guess I'm spoiled then. Most SkyTrain trains are never more than 10 minutes delayed. Locally, buses average 10-15 minutes late. If they're more than 30 minutes behind, the operator cancels bus runs and you're waiting till the next one [14:49:32] I've seen trains end up 5 or 6 hours delayed before [14:49:39] My worst was a 1hr15 train journey delayed by an hour and a half and then taking an extra hour as well. [14:49:50] Greater Anglia my behated. [14:49:52] Because they've taken the decision to keep it running as effectively a very shit sleeper rather than cancel [14:50:02] Ah of course another Brit [14:50:07] That's why you're used to terrible trains [14:50:37] I've got family in Germany, apparently the national trains are terrible there as well. [14:50:52] I've been on German trains, don't recommend [14:51:05] yeah, 5 or 6 hours delay, they honestly should cancel something and get them back on time [14:51:28] I've been on trains in Canada, UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands & Italy [14:51:32] wow [14:51:34] dmehus: why cancel them [14:51:44] Italian trains are very good, I've found. [14:51:57] And they have air conditioning. [14:52:20] RhinosF1: get them back on time? I guess the alternative is you add an additional run to get things on time, but that costs money [14:52:36] dmehus: who said cancelling them in that case would get them on time [14:52:55] Why do that when you can cram the occupants of 3 trains into a single train which will still run late? [14:53:01] Most of the cases where I've seen delays that bad are late in the day when all lines are blocked [14:53:12] RhinosF1: they can terminate at an earlier departure point and depart at a future scheduled time [14:53:22] they do that with buses frequently here [14:53:25] By keeping the train run very delayed, you are keeping people on the train where it's warm etc [14:53:29] And they can rest [14:53:39] And they'll get to their destination once lines are reopened [14:53:44] Also, tickets are valid for a single train and only for that train. [14:53:53] If you cancel the train they can't get a different one. [14:53:55] dmehus: but why do you need to cancel and turf people off [14:53:59] Yes you can [14:54:04] RhinosF1: oh I don't disagree with you. what you're describing is excellent customer service [14:54:26] If you're train has been cancelled, you can board trains within 2 hours either side or the next 2 on most UK operators [14:54:29] Sometimes better [14:54:54] According to the tickets yes. [14:55:01] If anyone tells you to buy another ticket because your train was cancelled in the UK, please tell them the conditions of carriage exist [14:55:04] I'm just playing the devil's advocate argument, essentially; the thinking that may go through train/bus operators' minds [14:55:06] Unfortunately station guards are a pain. [14:55:17] No [14:55:32] Advance Ticket restrictions do not apply if your train was cancelled [14:55:43] Please read the conditions of carriage, there's a lot of benefits for you [14:55:49] And don't forget to claim delay repay [14:55:54] I meant the tickets say you can get a different train. [14:56:07] we have little in the way of fare enforcement in Canadian transit systems. Fare enforcement costs money so most systems will just do randomized fare checks at different spots periodically [14:56:33] dmehus: I have only had my ticket checked once from 3 trains today [14:56:36] Unfortunately at the station I have to use (not saying which for obvious reasons) the guards are less than helpful. [14:56:41] Although I've been through barriers too [14:56:52] Never my railcard checked [14:56:57] I haven't had that checked for a while [14:57:47] RhinosF1: wow, that's more than here. I may have gotten on a SkyTrain without paying, but that was only because there was no SkyTrain ticker dispenser at the station I was boarding at. I bought a DayPass once I got to a main terminal [14:57:48] I recommend you buy your tickets from realtimetickets and then you can complain in their discord if the conditions of carriage aren't followed [14:57:51] They are nice folks [14:58:30] [1/2] Not heard of that one, noted. [14:58:31] [2/2] Thanks. [14:58:57] a SkyTrain DayPass costs about $11.75 CAD or 6.21 GBP. is that cheaper or more expensive than the UK? [14:59:04] They also run Railmiles and real time trains too [14:59:28] dmehus: depends, how much does that get you? [14:59:34] £6 wouldn't get you far here [14:59:43] Depends where you're going between, which operator, how far in advance you book, and so on. [14:59:58] Train fares in the UK are complex [15:00:01] And expensive [15:00:04] And stupid [15:00:05] It would get you to central London and back on the underground, I think. [15:00:13] Unlimited travel throughout Metro Vancouver, a 2,878 square km region [15:00:24] £6 would get you about 2 underground journeys in zone Q [15:00:26] Zone 1 [15:00:29] oh wow [15:00:32] dmehus: ye not a chance [15:00:39] Ye, no. You're not getting that for £6. [15:00:49] dmehus: you'd be very sad if you came to the UK [15:01:24] RhinosF1: oh that's too bad, and you guys have such a more densely populated region that can sustain it [15:01:37] Our train fares are quite expensive [15:01:37] but you also have much older infrastructure that needs replacing, too [15:01:43] And complex [15:01:46] yeah [15:01:50] The routing guide is very long [15:01:57] I bet [15:02:27] I did manage to get Real Time Tickets to make e-tickets available for the journey though [15:02:31] It used to be paper only [15:02:48] I asked the operator and they were confused but they managed to get it fixed [15:03:11] By asking the RTT/Raileasy folks [15:10:22] Final delay was +19 minutes today [15:12:03] that's not too bad [15:26:34] I submitted my delay claim [15:27:08] I expect £14.84 back [15:27:23] As compensation [15:27:27] (25%) [15:30:30] Oh yeah, vancouver BC transit kicked ass when I visited there a decade and change ago. [15:31:06] Super cheap, everything connected within the network with very little delay, incredibly easy to get around the city [15:31:32] Glad to hear it sounds very much the same today [20:11:01] I'm definitely biased, but my favorite transit system is the Taipei Metro. Not as dense as some other systems, but cheap and easy to navigate. Only downside is the crowds during rush hour. [20:12:12] ...There are trains without air conditioning...? 😬 [20:12:15] I find most transit systems fairly easy [20:12:18] Yes [20:12:21] Lots of them [20:12:50] Not the Tokyo transit system! [20:13:02] Constantly get lost on that one, and I travel to Japan fairly often [20:13:16] Just can't wrap my head around the station layout... [20:14:07] Never been to Japan [20:14:36] They have multiple different train companies, all with their own lines, all running through a lot of the same stations [20:15:10] If you look at a full Tokyo transit map, it's honestly kind of ridiculous. I've heard it's confusing for Japanese residents who aren't Tokyo natives too [20:15:15] Sounds like the UK [20:15:25] Have you seen the National rail all stations all operators map [20:15:43] I've never been to Europe, haha [20:16:01] Taiwan's transit system is all nationally owned though, so it's all laid out nice and clear /biased [20:16:31] https://assets.nationalrail.co.uk/e8xgegruud3g/36Bl0tdesYoI4tMmcjtvxh/4217b17d9480a593ea77a1935ba700b5/National_Rail_All_Stations_Route_Map_V2.7.pdf [20:17:11] The UK's rail network is confusing [20:17:27] And we love issuing penalty fares for extremely questionable reasons [20:18:42] it's also super expensive [20:18:58] Because why have affordable, safe, comfortable public transport @emiliers [20:19:02] Never mind reliable [20:19:38] Oof 😬 [20:20:24] Though as someone who also went through most of my schooling in Southern California, I'm honestly envious of most places for having a transit system at all LOL [20:20:44] The concept of split ticketing just tells you everything that's wrong with UK rail ticketing [20:20:55] Also buying tickets for longer than your journey can be cheaper [20:21:05] Better than being stuck in traffic for six hours on what should've been a half-hour drive to Los Angeles... [20:21:23] I'm almost afraid to ask now, but what is split tickeeting? [20:21:57] Rather than buying one ticket for a whole journey, buy multiple tickets by splitting your ticket at various points [20:22:03] It can make it cheaper [20:22:15] My ticket was split in London today [20:22:45] Wow... [20:27:43] My journey today was 330 miles and 33 chains [20:28:14] Or about 531 km [20:29:39] <_arawynn> [1/2] meanwhile I'm glad Germany has introduced a ticket a couple years ago where you can use certain kinds of trains as much as you want [20:29:39] <_arawynn> [2/2] (the German train system is horrible. There's memes and even a song that turned into a meme about it) [20:35:39] Belgian trains were awesome [20:35:46] Cheap, safe and reliable [20:35:51] Not a single barrier too [21:04:22] there's also https://www.openrailwaymap.org/ [22:07:15] toronto transit is pretty good last time i used it [22:07:38] mostly one big company called GO