[00:04:40] @notaracham: yes, and the worst part for me when I had to download Adobe Reader and they auto-installed some Photo Express app I never asked for, without even giving me an option to untick it before installing [00:05:09] https://klipy.com/gifs/truck-kun-red-hair [00:06:27] and yeah, I'm skeptical there is a 'time save' to 'let AI do' some tasks like compile PDFs or design a spreadsheet. The novella of a prompt one would have to write doesn't save that much time :/ [01:02:09] we decided against copy pasting the entirety of CSS but I ended up using a lot of fragments of it (both common and vector) [01:02:38] also copied some codex vars for dark mode purposes [01:03:14] casualtiesunknown.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [01:04:17] I wrote a little script to copy parts of codex vars I share it if you need it :p [01:06:39] I gotta say the vector CSS stuff was the most useful. as someone who attempted to fully dark mode a wiki I can appreciate the effort that went into making and maintaining it. [03:33:44] [1/2] New Mainpage :bianca_sit: a:dancecute: a:kokichi_surprise: [03:33:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1535128786037768295/Screenshot_2026_0807_103147.png?ex=6a76a397&is=6a755217&hm=68890b47d36d82a3c48b8411d6ec3e6c27ef06da06d9c8111b888cc423381f5b& [03:34:03] @sillythao Too many emojis. [03:34:59] Wikimedia is using Element X irl [03:36:46] 10/10 [03:37:16] Looks nice [03:39:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1535130110137475133/Screenshot_2026_0807_103557.png?ex=6a76a4d3&is=6a755353&hm=a7138999144d65323659026764c29b4a17365a2d7ddfe5ffa3cfca3791358c52& [04:07:07] [1/2] woah, casualities unknown 👀 [04:07:07] [2/2] you definitely have an great taste in games lol [04:07:29] :p [04:41:57] [1/2] Pay to use; ok [04:41:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1535145952283729960/Screenshot_2026_0807_113554.jpg?ex=6a76b394&is=6a756214&hm=8f2a4f0820ab0ebb3351e60d014a508f75b40a6fda44db4b35cc93248efc2f1d& [05:20:23] domains usually cost yeah [05:57:43] Also a good game with a good wiki [10:43:59] Can't you just get FPT domain? [10:44:23] 25 dong a year is really cheap, actually. [10:44:29] That's like, 1 dollar. (I'm Vietnamese). [10:44:46] The only problem is that I have no idea whose that domain provider. [10:47:50] Then again... I haven't touched local Vietnamese domain for ages. [10:47:52] I'm old... [10:47:53] 😭 [11:10:40] 1st year only with 3 year term is the true measure of a domain price [13:27:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129579863397892098/1496751515933737131/Buneyes-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif [13:53:59] [1/2] Damn they really move edit button to the left pencil icon. Now instead of one click Edit Source, you need to click 3 times to Edit Source :xsob: [13:53:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1535284875261648946/image.png?ex=6a7734f6&is=6a75e376&hm=7ccd4a36e0f91db227f90df97d29847c846b9cfbeccae2be2388b3e1d46b0ea5& [14:00:33] It’s so annoying [14:08:43] I hope alt+shift+e still works [15:07:54] [1/4] I found this image of the DifferentHistory Wikia (on Fandom) representing -Virgin Miraheze vs. Gigachad Fandom- [15:07:54] [2/4] You can check the post out to see what people think about this if you want: [15:07:54] [3/4] https://differenthistory.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000520334/r/4400000000000850516 [15:07:55] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1535303477096353802/755.png?ex=6a774649&is=6a75f4c9&hm=82350d489764473e4030b4e51391c3ba6ff46bcae582cb987b0cf32f8561a226& [15:11:01] it was probably accurate in 2022 [15:11:16] There are just like... so many points that are wrong tbh [15:12:11] And if not wrong, then kinda irrelevant to point out [15:12:19] Miraheze has gotten better and Fandom's gotten worse [16:00:47] "promotes other companies on their site" - so adverts? Not sure why they put that in positives. [16:46:31] Why is dc database a pro [16:46:53] [1/2] ~~that wiki is high key realy unliked, [16:46:53] [2/2] I say that as someone whose staff there~~ [17:40:28] I knew from the very first upper left point this was made by a salty reception wiki class user who is fundamentally no better than any other reception wiki user [17:40:35] the rest of the graphic did not disappoint [17:40:43] is and always was cringe tbh [17:41:09] 2022 was one of the years of all time [17:41:12] there's even a handful of people I could think of it being [17:41:46] the community of dedicated haters who utter the line 'treat opinions as facts' is quite narrow [17:42:25] it is and always was as logically deficient of a line as the places it was applied to [17:43:09] half the graphic is failure of basic patience or blatant skill issue [18:29:26] The meme feels like they were on reception wikis and blamed the entire service for it [18:29:39] And it’s very funny because it’s clear they were grasping at straws to gas fandom up [19:42:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1535372512878403724/image0.jpg?ex=6a778694&is=6a763514&hm=ffadef336d342befb30fa2d4512cf7f2b69784c932cb44817feb410f8daceb81& [20:36:26] this was very frequent for ex-reception wiki users in the day and a handful of fandom observers [20:36:45] by and large it was never much a phenomenon beyond these two cliques [20:36:59] Figured [20:37:26] I’ve dealt with a lot of fandom bureaucrats who have this really weird idea that every host outside of fandom is evil and it bugs me [20:38:08] it is an attitude that can breed in certain places where there is a tight silo and so the 'other' is easy to dismiss as weird [20:46:57] Funnily enough, I've witnessed this from some Fandom stars too [20:47:21] And even when I was a Fandom star a few years ago, I unironically believed this for a long time [20:47:36] Now, I basically switched sides 😎 [20:49:18] Yeah I saw a fandom star spreading blatant misinformation about how all of the other services are about to collapse and it annoyed me greatly [20:50:12] Yeah, this is dumb [20:50:31] Though I can understand [20:51:59] wiki.gg has like a small enshittification or fandom absorption risk in the far future, miraheze entirely relies on volunteers and donations, and self-hosted wikis tend to be spammed by bots or go down at any time [20:53:03] Doesn't mean any of them are necessarily unstable or that it makes Fandom great as a platform (though, Fandom does have technical and financial stability) [21:16:47] back in the day the only thing I knew about Miraheze was the reception wikis [21:18:35] yeah, wasn't Crappy Games Wiki the largest reception wiki? @darkfawfulguy64 would know for sure [21:24:13] Yes, it was. [21:24:56] Mostly the Game and Movie Reception Wikis were well known here on Miraheze. [21:36:42] darkfawful64: cool, thanks :) [21:37:16] I mean the media ones were not insignificant especially in activity [21:37:43] they were the first in three sets of wikis I consider distinctive for the kind of community they pulled, their offshoots, and the global attention required and given to them [21:38:00] and I suppose I'm hardly one to talk when my rise on miraheze is intertwined with my rise on the reception wikis [21:38:28] the second being polandball and the third being IBW [21:39:06] and each also attracting strong personal attention from a leading steward of the time [21:39:20] each occasion has been shorter though [21:46:25] yeah... there were too many forks of each one, each genre, and each reverse reception wiki [21:46:43] the two similarly named horrible songs [21:47:13] IBW was a bit after my time, thankfully I seem to have missed that one [21:48:13] I keep reading IBW as some bizarro IBM [21:48:30] I can’t lie IBW drama as an observer was really funny [21:48:33] lol [21:48:37] I’m sorry people had to deal with it [21:48:44] But man [21:49:05] reception wikis' chief problem was local administrators that blocked people for making an editorial decision they disagreed with, whereas the poland ball wikis were a bit 'sneakier' in terms of their problems... far more ideological nastiness [21:50:39] * dmehus personally didn't like the poland ball wikis' styling choice of changing my cursor on me, to reflect some sort of ball :p [21:51:45] pbw had wild in a way nothing quite matched but I digress there [21:51:54] that's agent's story [21:52:09] less pbw more pcb [21:52:23] ibw just makes me feel old [21:52:45] I guess its the hip version and reception wikis are for boomers now [21:53:45] lol potentially apt analogy [21:54:34] It was kind of absurd how many times ranked members of their community imploded into vandalism [21:54:44] good point [21:54:59] Seems like that's cooled off since their move to WO [21:56:04] speaking of which, I noticed this wiki https://polandball.miraheze.org/wiki/Polandball_Wiki says they've moved to WikiGrid. How long should the Miraheze version stay up? [21:56:48] they might've moved back to Miraheze, though, and that's just an outdated sitenotice [21:57:02] as the WikiGrid link doesn't seem to be working [22:01:05] the wikigrid link isn't working because wikigrid hasn't been working for months [22:01:50] somehow every single reception wiki looks the same and every single polandball wiki looks the same and both styles are horrible [22:03:37] thewwrnerdguy: ah, interesting [22:03:57] and yes agree on your second point heh [22:07:44] some reception wiki designs should win design raspberry awards [22:12:03] I forgot about those awards. [22:12:14] Let's see if any movies I liked won Raspberries [22:12:56] Haven't seen any on this list in the last 10 years, but [[w:Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey]] did win Best Picture in 2023 [22:12:56] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh:_Blood_and_Honey [22:13:05] or, rather, I guess, Worst Picture ;)