[00:00:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Dinner soup ordered
[00:00:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1536524621485052035/image.png?ex=6a7bb791&is=6a7a6611&hm=47a60b73ec50feff950a134c59e42ed7feafc4f314b5e0b6ce747f54895435ae&
[00:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> (Calling ramen a soup is a gross oversimplification and I know it)
[00:01:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to dmehus> i had rosół for dinner
[00:01:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> -# chicken soup iykyk
[00:02:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here, replying to notaracham> Sounds yummy, hope it's good
[00:02:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yeah, folks have been raving about the food coma this place puts them in, good consolation prize for dumpling house plans getting cancelled
[00:03:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Looking forward to trying this instead.
[00:03:18] <dmehus>	 @notaracham and @nukesme: nice, you've both made me hungry :)
[00:04:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to dmehus> lol its 2am for me
[00:06:09] <Crystalite13>	 what are doing so late up
[00:06:13] <Crystalite13>	 you*
[00:07:56] <dmehus>	 @nukesme, different time zone, I guess. It's only 5 pm for me :)
[00:30:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> do you guys ever feel desmotivated to even work on your wiki
[00:30:54] <dmehus>	 @bartomelow: yes, I think that's a real thing :)
[00:31:41] <dmehus>	 "wiki burnout" or "editor fatigue," maybe?
[00:33:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here, replying to bartomelow> Oh yes definitely, I swear I tend to cycle like a few months motivated a few months not
[00:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to dmehus> yeah
[00:42:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to Crystalite13> editing wikis
[00:48:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bartomelow> cause i feel unmotivated to even look at my wiki
[00:55:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to bartomelow> That’s called burn out, and there’s barely a soul here who hasn’t had that
[00:57:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> only thing you can do is something else for a while that isn't taxing, refresh, revisit
[00:57:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> forcing mid burnout will make things worse for sure
[01:14:44] <dmehus>	 yep
[01:50:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> I'm going take a one week Break (might take longer if i still don't feel motivated)
[01:53:27] <dmehus>	 @bartomelow: sounds good, enjoy the break :)
[01:59:34] <dmehus>	 lol this was kinda funny, https://theonion.com/jeff-bezos-named-amazon-employee-of-the-month-1821293990
[02:06:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [1/2] I'd still prefer everyone here live a few more decades too
[02:06:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [2/2] Also discord updated stuff on phone to look more slick now, cool!
[02:07:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to notaracham> Ngl I just thought ramen was soup but fancier most of the time
[02:08:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> May be the only person on the internet I’ve seen with that opinion
[02:09:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to pixldev> Hm why am I the person to think of that?
[02:09:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Because everyone else complains
[02:09:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> Oh.
[02:10:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> :shrug:
[02:15:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I actually like the updated UI myself
[02:15:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> i usually hate UI changes
[02:15:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> but idk i think it looks cool.
[02:16:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I do agree with the general consensus that changing the position of some elements arbitrarily stinks.
[02:17:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> +1 on that, I find the most recent UI and font change to improve readability
[03:04:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> [1/4] website responsible for confirming the admission of going into a uni/college:
[03:04:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> [2/4] "Now is not the time to confirm uni/college admission online. Please try again later" 🤡
[03:04:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> [3/4] man what a mess, there isn't even a date listed on the website when exactly when people can do it
[03:04:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1536570858116751431/7A4D10D6-5323-4643-949B-D5800107AD30.png?ex=6a7be2a0&is=6a7a9120&hm=3d5a0da8c61e8000d62942f05bfe954c35e4fe40007be3c799cafb94a398a7b4&
[03:04:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> there's also an unskipable 5 minute wait time for no good reason-
[03:47:55] <Crystalite13>	 i didn't even notice but I was the 13th support for pix's Steward nom https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Stewardship#PixDeVl's_Nomination_for_Stewardship
[04:12:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> I may not have a brain, people.
[04:12:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> But I have an idea.
[04:12:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> [1/2] Vietnamese IT structure summarised:
[04:12:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> [2/2] everything is slow. Nothing works properly and the server crashes every 5 minutes.
[04:13:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to elitericefarmer> facts.
[04:13:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer, replying to blankeclair> Hi CLAIRE!!!! Huge fan!!!
[04:14:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> Wait till you book cars/motorcycles using Be App. They don't use googleMap. They use their homegrown map... Which is very ARSE.
[04:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> At least GreenSM uses google map.
[04:14:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> I don't use bee app
[04:14:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> last time my friend/classmate used it on a trip with a group (me included)
[04:14:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> it uh...sucked
[04:14:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> Exactly.
[04:14:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> I only use Grab or GreenSM.
[04:36:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to elitericefarmer> those dumbasses didn't follow my instructions...
[04:36:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> costed us more money then necessary'
[04:38:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> They don't have a clock. They shouldn't charge you more than what already said on the app.
[04:38:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> If they did. That's good ol' time to call the hotline.
[05:51:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to elitericefarmer> i see
[05:52:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsFrgeWhtIk damn, things look rough when police are involved
[05:56:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> dude those parents pissed me off in that video
[06:06:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to tangoer_man> Should've just left
[06:07:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> they couldve too
[07:18:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> gtfo was the safest option
[07:18:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> imo
[07:18:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> like your family doesn't get hurt
[07:18:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> police can feel easier and deal with em easier
[07:18:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> sadly they had to die
[07:18:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> just to resolve the issue
[07:19:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> i would've just complied, police are people too
[07:23:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I have created a mobile app for any MediaWiki. It is currently only available on Android but IOS will come soon. I am currently running a closed alpha test on the Google Play Store, if you would like to be involved in it, please ping or DM me and I will reach out with instructions to join. Open beta testing will likely begin in about a week or two as well.
[07:24:08] <Crystalite13>	 app for any MediaWiki?
[07:24:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Whoops I didn't realize I was in off topic lol. I actually meant to send that in #general
[07:24:22] <Crystalite13>	 how would that work, though?
[07:24:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to Crystalite13> Yes. It allows adding any custom wiki
[07:24:36] <Crystalite13>	 when you open that app, what happens?
[07:24:41] <Crystalite13>	 custom wikis
[07:24:48] <Crystalite13>	 like private MediaWiki servers you own?
[07:25:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> That or any wiki on Miraheze or other farms. Private wikis with arbitrary setups are supported as much as I could but still might need some changes to support every possible configuration.
[07:26:44] <Crystalite13>	 so, if you open the app, do you enter a URL or....?
[07:26:53] <Crystalite13>	 is it some sort of code
[07:27:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Yeah.
[07:27:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> You enter the URL.
[07:27:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> But you can add as many wikis as you want to it and switch between them.
[07:27:36] <Crystalite13>	 that's cool.
[07:27:52] <Crystalite13>	 how long did it take you to make this?
[07:28:07] <Crystalite13>	 i think I heard you mention it earlier
[07:28:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I started it 3-4 years ago, worked on it for about 6 months to a year back then, lost the code, recently found it about a month ago and finished it off finally.
[07:28:59] <Crystalite13>	 wow, nice
[07:29:10] <Crystalite13>	 where else are you advertising it?
[07:29:38] <Crystalite13>	 are there blogs for MediaWiki? I think that would be a way to go if that option was available
[07:29:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I have only been doing it internally so far. This was my first public announcement of it. Though I didn't mean to do in off topic lol.
[07:30:34] <Crystalite13>	 lol
[07:30:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> lol
[07:30:45] <Crystalite13>	 hey fearless
[07:30:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to cosmicalpha> asked key people in WO if they want WO to join in the ship as well 👀
[07:31:36] <Crystalite13>	 oh fearless remember your evil alter egos Fearmore and FearFul?
[07:31:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> available on android?
[07:31:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I am not advertising it to prolificly until the alpha test is completed and it open to an open beta. Though feel free to spread wherever if wanted also.
[07:31:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> Yes.
[07:32:02] <Crystalite13>	 I used to have an android. it was a good phone. but it broke.
[07:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> what about my evil alter egos crystal
[07:32:13] <Crystalite13>	 cough cough
[07:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> i'm just going to call you crystal cause i'm lazy with the full name
[07:32:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> It will be on iOS eventually also. Once it is stable I  Android I will move to IOS. I have already got it to launch on an IOS but it has a lot of bugs and UI issues still.
[07:32:57] <FearMore>	 Rahhh
[07:32:58] <FearFul>	 rahhh
[07:33:08] <Crystalite13>	 oh no they're back
[07:33:18] <Crystalite13>	 quick fearless what are you scared off
[07:33:38] <FearMore>	 dont tell him
[07:33:44] <FearFul>	 yeah we're literally you
[07:33:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> @ Discord Moderators can you get remove impersonators "FearMore" and "FearFul" off of me
[07:33:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> thank you
[07:34:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> (this wasn't an real ping btw)
[07:34:09] <FearMore>	 nooo  stopppp
[07:34:15] <FearFul>	 authority we're terrified of authority
[07:34:19] <FearMore>	 ahhhhh
[07:34:21] <FearFul>	 ahhhhhh
[07:34:36] <Crystalite13>	 oh phew they're gone
[07:35:03] <Crystalite13>	 you really need to keep them locked up or something
[07:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to cosmicalpha> really looking forward to it, though i'd like for it to release then testing an broken ver of it
[07:35:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> ehem, crystal i know that was you
[07:35:25] <Crystalite13>	 WHAT
[07:35:42] <Crystalite13>	 that is a heinous, slanderous, and completely untrue statment
[07:35:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> one time someone someone tried to fool me before but i caught their schemes
[07:36:07] <Crystalite13>	 i would never!
[07:36:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> it's very easy to find out discrepancies if you notice it
[07:36:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> It is fully working, I need testers to report what is broken lol. But yeah understandable. I have I think 20 testers for it now, so that is enough. Open beta will start in about a week (6 days minimum)
[07:36:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> [1/2] crystal: "hey fearless, remember your evil alter egos Fearmore and FearFul?"
[07:36:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> [2/2] a moment later they just suddenly popped up
[07:37:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to cosmicalpha> good luck with the app, 20 active testers seem overkill lol
[07:37:24] <Crystalite13>	 that was a complete coincidence
[07:37:45] <Crystalite13>	 how could I possibly do that I'm talking RIGHT now
[07:37:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> Google policy requires 12 testers for 2 weeks before you can apply for production access, I just ended up with more lol.
[07:38:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to cosmicalpha> oh lol
[07:38:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> i didn't know that was a thing
[07:38:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> well hopefully the app goes out nicely
[07:38:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Yeah they don't tell you that until after you pay the fee for the developer account lol
[07:39:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Getting 12 testers might be difficult for some apps also.
[07:39:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to cosmicalpha> not even in the terms?
[07:40:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Who reads the terms? lol they might and I just missed it. But it isn't a big deal for me anyway.
[07:40:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> that'd piss me off, even tho i know you need the testers for validity, but it should at least tell before you do the transaction
[07:40:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> cause if you don't get people
[07:40:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> you practically lose money
[07:40:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> and that can be life or death for poor devs imo
[07:41:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> It is a $20 lifetime fee for a developer account with Google unlike Apple's $100/year
[07:41:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> 20 bucks lifetime fee for an dev account?
[07:41:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> defo better then apple's 100 per year for sure
[07:41:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Yeah
[07:41:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> did you even paid their 100 bucks per yer
[07:41:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Not yet no.
[07:42:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> 20 bucks in my country is pretty steep sadly
[07:42:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> [1/3] 25000*20
[07:42:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> [2/3] hmm
[07:42:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> [3/3] 500.000 vnđ
[07:42:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> 20 bucks can get you an milkshake
[07:42:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Better than $100 though still. Chrome Web Store is $5 lifetime I do have a dev account there also.
[07:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> 5 bucks lifetime??
[07:43:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> what an steal
[07:43:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> 100k vnđ usually gets you quality phở here
[07:43:49] <Crystalite13>	 kind of reminds me of when Zimbabwe printed way too much money
[07:43:54] <Crystalite13>	 and had like trillion dollar bills
[07:44:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> yeah i heard that too
[07:44:22] <Crystalite13>	 pro tip guys when your economy is failing the worst thing you can do is print more money
[07:45:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> i'm not in charge of economy so i'm fine
[07:45:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> but i'd leave if the economy sucked ass
[07:49:36] <Crystalite13>	 move to Europe
[07:49:52] <Crystalite13>	 drive 30 mins in Europe, you're out of the country
[07:50:03] <Crystalite13>	 drive 9 hours in the US you're halfway across the state
[07:59:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Only in some cases. It's entirely possible to drive for 9 hours in a straight line on motorways without leaving Germany or France.
[10:06:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to bartomelow> that's called using the refreshed skin
[10:09:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to thewwrnerdguy> that's called not wanting to use a skin that looks 99% like every modern site ever in existence
[10:10:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> 😒
[10:12:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to FearFul> @original authority get em
[10:13:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to Crystalite13> [1/2] > drive 9 hours in the US you're halfway across the state
[10:13:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to Crystalite13> [2/2] the us is, in fact, a big place
[11:07:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to cosmicalpha> Apple code reviews are significantly better than Android though so that's probably why
[11:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Added to my list to eat later 😋
[11:27:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> The United States is massive.
[14:30:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to Crystalite13> Hey, depends on the state too
[14:31:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> The longest drive to any notable points from one end of the state to the other is less than 3 hours
[14:33:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I don’t love that every job in my area is at least an hour commute away
[14:33:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Taxi services cost more than the pay sometimes 😭
[15:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to Crystalite13> in 30 minutes i can get to the next city
[17:54:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to amelialoveheart> cooked...at least i'm in the city where the uni is not too far away
[17:54:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> First World Problem
[19:48:39] <dmehus>	 @elisapoly: thanks for this edit https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help_and_requests?diff=prev&oldid=555788. I thought the same, but wasn't sure if we should do that, or link to [[Trust and Safety]] instead. Your edit seems very reasonable to me :)
[19:48:39] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety
[23:33:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nichtmariam> hi guys, i joined this server bc of the sinner maker wiki, was kinda hoping to find the official discord server, is this correct here?
[23:38:37] <dmehus>	 @nichtmariam: you want the Miraheze server, or the Sinner Maker Wiki Discord server? If the former, you are in the right place. Welcome! :)