[00:14:38] [1/3] Quite another important question: [00:14:38] [2/3] "Is requesting a wiki on Miraheze actually beneficial rather than automatically getting a wiki on Fandom?" [00:14:38] [3/3] Because I can probably see some part to is as to why, like to stop people to make pornography wikis. Though I can't fully comprehend this rule on Miraheze probably just yet. [00:15:34] Um... [00:16:00] How does the Fandom requesting process even work? [00:16:58] there isn't one [00:17:02] you just create it [00:17:05] Huh [00:17:15] HUh [00:17:19] Huh? [00:17:37] Huh, huh, huh; huh, huh, huh; and huh, huh, huh. [00:18:39] basically we want to stop problems before they start. fandom has automated systems and paid staff so they can afford to just let you create the wiki [00:32:16] that's the thing i've always appreciated about miraheze, the assurance that what you're doing is allowed through the creation of it rather than after the fact [00:46:58] To an extent, that’s still not a guarantee, the AI reviewer does make mistakes and sometimes forces us to close auto approved wikis, but it’s certainly better than a free for all [01:42:31] oh, i had forgotten we have the ai reviewer now 😅 [01:52:15] There's also certain categories of wiki that we just can't host as a nonprofit, a full on free-for-all approval process just doesn't work for that structure [02:07:19] another day another dpl [02:07:25] drazillian putt lift [08:17:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541723053673676831/IMG_8572.png?ex=6a8ea0fb&is=6a8d4f7b&hm=f62aece0b3be96a288862ddd0c1b5985afc417c6bd0b379e589ec4da59dce1a5& [08:18:06] 👀 [08:18:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541723349443412041/IMG_8573.png?ex=6a8ea142&is=6a8d4fc2&hm=9532fa2b9614493890561bb711e844cc227fa7b408f0ac221bc873c00c57adc4& [08:20:54] [1/2] The ai watermark [08:20:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541724026005626880/IMG_8574.png?ex=6a8ea1e3&is=6a8d5063&hm=30bd091889faa4d5eb11b0ccc63c82aaf1c8c75be8720ddf64720d607a9a7018& [08:23:35] [1/2] They are doing anything at this point [08:23:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541724712424443935/IMG_8575.png?ex=6a8ea287&is=6a8d5107&hm=d0acd30e5fe36d653d20ccd1fe490a5d6b69d272345dcbf4e8f68e9a3dc080a4& [08:25:29] https://www.reddit.com/r/LowSodiumCyberpunk/comments/1vlpgl6/the_average_cyberpunk_fandom_experience/ [08:26:28] 1 full screen ad every few lines [09:01:13] garbage in, garbage out [09:01:40] garbage in, garbage out [09:01:48] garbage in, garbage out [09:01:59] I hope they escape fandom [09:02:37] peak capitalism [09:04:49] and on brand with that game [09:31:25] at least it didn't crash the browser tab and reloaded the entire page, which is just lovely when you're reading a long article about a game and then it just suddenly reloads the tab [09:50:51] [1/2] I find it funny that my prof compared chem engineering towards other majors even though the US is gonna crash real soon... [09:50:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541746671002591383/image.png?ex=6a8eb6fa&is=6a8d657a&hm=e9160bceadd994c53fb6c914b09188d4f54aa59220373a49d94703f1b187b7f5& [10:06:33] also, to add: [10:07:52] [1/3] fandom: you wiki admins should make your wikis accessible for all users! (which is the right thing to do) [10:07:53] [2/3] wiki admins: make their wikis (by themselves) as accessible as they could [10:07:53] [3/3] fandom: alright, here's all the ads and bloat! [10:42:51] oooo https://fxtwitter.com/DoorsWiki/status/2091867939519832442?s=20 [11:48:35] extremely based [12:26:11] (Fandom wikis, all wikis off, when?) [12:30:07] practicallyimpossible 😔 [12:30:31] but I'm currently forking two relatively smaller wikis from fandom [12:30:39] We can dream. [12:30:47] and the more that move off, the better [12:31:01] there are some other wikis I plan to move off as well [12:31:16] If they maintain current trajectoires there'll surely be a point where there's no way people can stay. [12:31:22] *trajectories [12:31:24] hopefully [12:31:30] genshin and tarkov should fork [12:32:03] if genshin manages to fork, it'd be the ultimate checkmate on fandom [12:32:24] and would probably inspire other gacha game wikis like zzz, wuthering waves, and honkai impact to fork as well [12:32:29] even if it is difficult [12:33:20] As long as TPG has funding and advertising and SEO partners remain strong, Fandom will continue to survive, but once the amount of user-contributed content declines further, they will be left with nothing but dead wikis. [12:33:59] true [12:34:05] but look at the state of things [12:34:21] layoffs for most wiki managers, continued advertisements, and the ai slop utility campaigns [12:34:39] not hard to tell that fandom is desperate [12:36:13] kinda funny how people say wiki.gg will get sold off to fandom one day. meanwhile, look at the current state of things on fandom 😂 [12:39:30] Yeah, once wiki.gg has adopted a private model, then to expand or even maintain the platform in the current era of rising prices, it is forced to accept funding from companies and venture capital funds, and once it cannot balance the interests of shareholders, contributors, and viewers, well, a “second Fandom” has begun [12:41:02] let's call this phenomenon a 'platform treadmill' [12:42:35] it's when a consumer uses a platform, then that platform enshittifies to the point of moving on to another platform, which then enshittifies, and so on... [12:43:26] (SELF HOST VERY GOOD) [12:43:31] based on the term 'euphemism treadmill' [12:43:56] Sounds like dA.; [12:45:20] I get ads if you genuinely need it to run the site but it should be reasonable [12:45:29] fandom is just bloat [12:45:32] Pah, no ads. Benfits check [12:45:56] if on the off chance wiki.gg gets absorbed on fandom, or it becomes as enshittified as fandom, i'm moving all of my wiki.gg wikis to either miraheze or weird gloop (by that time, they will accept smaller wikis too) [12:46:49] Will WG never become as bad as Fandom [12:47:00] unlikely [12:47:15] Maybe. If it grows too big... [12:47:30] like even less likely than wiki.gg [12:47:41] ^ [12:47:53] I doubt WG will become bad [12:48:00] even 1% of fandom's sins [12:48:07] yeah [12:48:16] the guys at WG are excellent at what they do [12:48:29] there is actual faces, not an fucking corporate yapper [12:48:40] Will wiki.gg ever become as bad? (And yes, WG is good, nice skin work for one thing) [12:48:59] if wg falls, there is at least some level of competition (mh...and the very unlikely wo) [12:49:20] as bad as fandom right now? probably not, but there is indeed an enshittification risk, no doubt [12:49:53] I think it would be next in line [12:50:06] oh yeah, indeed [12:50:28] Once a platform has adopted a private model, venture capital investment is certain to arrive someday; it’s just that once companies need funding, it will be very difficult to refuse. [12:50:40] wikis being ran by companies/for-profits without morals are the worst thing to exist [12:50:57] it's kind of the nature of the 'tiers' of commercial wiki platforms [12:51:32] we all know fandom is the most populated wiki farm and almost among the most inconvenient ones to use [12:51:51] actually next in line is horrible leaders for countries, namely that 1 orange haired guy that @raidarr and @notaracham might know [12:53:14] What next, Hunger Games? [12:53:34] I never watched the hunger games..so what is hunger games [12:53:41] 😆 Wiki Hunger Games that is bloody funny [12:53:43] wiki.gg, while still good right now and has a bunch of great wikis, is kinda next in line of this 'pyramid' of commercial wiki hosts. it relies on ads [12:54:00] Like, a Hunger Games beween 24 wikis/wiki farms [12:54:11] and if WG counts as one, then it is on the top of the pyramid as like the 'elite' tier wikis [12:54:29] cook is the biggest wiki nerd i know [12:54:31] 0% [12:54:35] chance [12:54:40] someone gotta tell me the concept of hunger games cause i live behind a rock [12:54:50] [1/2] everybody so happy [12:54:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541792973337923624/image.png?ex=6a8ee219&is=6a8d9099&hm=c506eec0b9eadc9fcdf1b055a81d8db1cb2a433c22f62b28e5ae02c2e3b404f1& [12:55:08] reddit is like this too lol [12:55:13] like the same kind of reactions [12:55:25] meanwhile, fandom kids: 🤬 [12:55:40] Hunger Games = 24 kids forced to fight to the death in an arena and only one can escape [12:56:05] Omg yes this [12:56:11] getting out of fandom is such an massive W fr [12:56:14] yeah I saw in WG server [12:56:24] Omg.... everybody.... I will miss all of you............. Discussions....... They're gone........ Fly high.......... [12:56:25] Need Hunger Games wikis to self host or go to Miraheze [12:56:28] LIKE the wiki is not dead its just moving [12:56:40] oh god damn...that doesn't look fun [12:56:50] fun fact: it's an official wiki [12:56:52] child cruelty [12:56:58] I like it enough that I wriote 50k words of lore for it [12:57:09] somehow [12:57:10] Offcial wiki? [12:57:12] ye [12:57:22] Uh, what does that mean>? [12:57:30] the ip owner recognizes it [12:57:39] Bloody Fandom [12:58:28] The Hunger Games fanon wiki is funny, so if it forked to Miraheze at lest it's awful OCs would be reable withgout ads [12:58:59] are you on phone rn? cause damn those typos [12:59:12] Wait, has lyrics wiki forked? [12:59:20] No just awful typer [13:00:11] no [13:00:12] it's gone [13:00:17] Oh, sad. [13:00:18] reduced to atoms [13:00:40] has Tohou wiki forked? [13:00:50] IDK, as I am far behind [13:01:00] yes [13:01:03] a long time ago [13:01:13] https://en.touhouwiki.net [13:01:29] either it or an indie touhou wiki existed for a while [13:01:32] not 100% sure if it is a fork [13:02:25] Hey, i think it may be self hosted [13:02:57] it is [13:03:16] ayo what [13:03:18] https://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Touhou_Wiki&oldid=58487 [13:03:24] i'm sorry, 1998? [13:03:37] I don't think mw was that old [13:03:53] it's made in 2002 [13:04:00] What three wikis would you want to see fork from Fandom? And by the Golden Throne [13:04:49] I have too many picks to choose from [13:05:22] Hunger Games wiki, Hunger Games fanon wiki, Warhammer 40k wiki, Warhammer 40k fanon wiki.... [13:05:35] if we're talking popular wikis in general? star wars, star trek and wikitubia would be nice [13:06:01] popular game wikis in general? genshin, tarkov, and cod I guess [13:06:04] Yes Star Wars wiki, Star Trek wiki are good choices [13:06:28] more niche topics of my interest? paper lily, dave the diver, and jet lag: the game would be nice contenders [13:06:52] What do you think is the most obnoxus about fandom? [13:06:59] (Sorry, not well so hard to type) [13:08:22] can't really pinpoint it on one thing, but more so, multiple things at once [13:08:49] I'd say it's the accumulated ads and bloat that make it nearly impossible to read shit [13:09:16] or maybe how they resort to globally blocking people over something handled on one wiki? [13:09:33] the recent change to the edit buttons position [13:09:37] even to the point where it hurts them [13:10:25] e.g. when one of the balatro wiki admins forked, they left a link to the new wiki and then fought with fandom against vandalism on the fandom wiki [13:10:41] and even then, he got globally blocked just for the balatrowiki.org link he put on fandom [13:11:33] he's now globally unblocked, but I find it obnoxious how fandom handles forks [13:12:48] I get that it is their job and it is hard to regulate vandalism and/or the spam that happens on the fandom wiki, but like they are inconsistent with how they handle their forking policy [13:13:24] e.g. they delete the "moving from fandom" page on the fortnite fandom wiki, even if there is nothing that states it shouldn't be up [13:27:39] Problem is it's not practicable to fight them on it. [13:30:58] Probably started on non mw software [13:31:13] yeah [13:31:16] just like uesp [13:31:37] The old slayers wiki was basically made on html and shared accounts iirc [13:32:01] The old dc comics wiki was too [13:41:47] Fun fact: The Taerel wiki was on WikiDot at one point [14:10:00] [1/2] @aliser would it be okay if you change the links from fandom to weird gloop for the fortnite wiki? [14:10:00] [2/2] https://mindustry.miraheze.org/wiki/Project:Editing_Guidelines [14:10:19] [1/2] https://fortnite.weirdgloop.org [14:10:19] [2/2] https://fortnite.weirdgloop.org/w/Fortnite_Wiki:Editing_Tips_and_Guidelines [14:10:20] huh fortnite wiki 😭 [14:10:25] yeah [14:10:34] I'm currently on a spree of changing fortnite wiki links across miraheze [14:10:47] did not expect that wiki to have a link to the fornite wiki of all places [14:10:58] yeah for sure fuh fundom [14:11:24] [exp_joy](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1498665014586769478.webp?size=48&name=exp_joy&lossless=true) [14:22:21] yeah [14:24:04] [1/2] nice little find on the kaiju paradise wiki 😅 [14:24:04] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541815428781711420/image.png?ex=6a8ef703&is=6a8da583&hm=e21a4d6ef4937acf1a3a7b1364889cdd09b0df37da31ae699ff1774bef7f6804& [14:24:17] too bad, it's fandoom, so i changed that as well [17:59:25] I just found this book someone left in a room and read it [17:59:28] And it was really good [17:59:31] but sad also [18:28:46] [1/4] ong these are the best burgers i’ve ever eaten [18:28:46] [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541877008202731530/IMG_8036.jpg?ex=6a8f305d&is=6a8ddedd&hm=e0f4f0a91850bf3cd022cdd468333cfd3ad1b91149c16c61ac209645848d0db7& [18:28:46] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541877008760307743/IMG_8039.jpg?ex=6a8f305d&is=6a8ddedd&hm=67e53bb2da439646aeb6d4aab2decb4101211929bfe880671e98403ae11fcca8& [18:28:47] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1541877009196654752/IMG_8038.jpg?ex=6a8f305d&is=6a8ddedd&hm=663ac7d4ef52aafd3ca8a829c0ab12c9f19e46a360d399634f13194f60661d5e& [18:29:01] what was the title? [18:29:17] I want to eat your pancreas [18:29:42] I kid you not [18:31:32] I read "I want to eat your pancreas" without any context and the first thought in my head was "classic offtopic" [18:33:58] ordiun [18:34:01] void? [18:34:05] ye [18:34:11] ah [18:34:28] Anyway, believe it or not nobody's pancreas get's eaten [18:34:37] It's a drama coming of age kinda thing [18:34:40] and a little romance [18:41:51] I thought it was about the burgers, not a book title, and also thought "Classic offtopic" [18:42:20] We're an interesting bunch here at Miraheze [19:21:54] bruh, as if all of those graduates aren't going to be flipping burgers (if they're lucky!) and living on Klarna if they graduate now [19:22:28] they might as well be citing data from the 1910s, it's about as relevant as 06 to the current day [19:26:51] didn't read the novel but did see the anime movie adaptation [19:26:54]