[06:00:14] another one thank you 🙂‍↕️ https://valheim.weirdgloop.org/w/Valheim_Wiki:Moving_from_Fandom [06:15:38] After Fandom wiki has bit the dust (for Fandom, yes) and has joined the independent movement. [07:32:15] Bro [07:32:36] I legit scream in excitement every time a major wiki forks from Fandom [07:32:41] You have no idea [07:33:43] [1/2] This is my first reaction lol [07:33:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1546785594292572160/Screenshot_20260908_103311_Discord.jpg?ex=6aa10bd7&is=6a9fba57&hm=3117f2eb24b319682faecffa8be7b5fb4bd3daba1ee65a5c131fe938c6ec406d& [07:34:19] Recent notable forks so far include Overwatch, Fortnite, Doors, Mafia, Love Nikki, and now Valheim [07:34:37] And I helped fork GoreBox and Cultic recently [07:36:00] We're winning good recently with all these forks recently [07:37:18] Hopefully I can help fully fork Paper Lily from Fandom to paperlilywiki.com [10:11:03] I'm still waiting for Welcome Home to fork over to Miraheze [10:16:55] I want more and more major wikis to keep forking off of Fandom [10:28:02] i recently finally figured out why i have totally opposite idea of fandom support against others [10:28:50] from the community of some chinese wikis that moved from fandom to miraheze recently, i learned that fandom support denies `@qq.com` emails, which i have been using [10:29:30] however they don't even say a single word like your email is not accepted. they only said stupid “Your request was successfully submitted.” and i never got response [10:30:19] my thread in fandom server proves this https://discord.com/channels/563020189604773888/1195684198946717696 [10:35:30] Same [10:35:35] Especially with Samwise [10:36:00] He even did my requests during my global blocks on Fandom [10:36:01] well this thing itself is totally ridiculous: i can always receive on-wiki email notifications from the `@qq.com` email, and they require to use the same email as wiki account to prove rights on wiki, so i've been using this email on support, and they don't even say a single word that 'the email is valid on fandom but invalid on fandom support' [10:36:48] this made me unable to use a bot account, dpl, font upload, and many more that are actually available on fandom, until we moved to miraheze [10:37:55] i'm glad miraheze doesn't discriminate against certain email addresses [10:38:41] the point is i literally never knew what thing i did wrong, until someone in miraheze chinese community told me they don't like my email address a few days ago [10:43:27] [1/2] screenshot in case ppl not in fandom server can't see this [10:43:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1546833338860314726/Screenshot_2026-09-08-18-42-53-507_com.discord-edit.jpg?ex=6aa1384e&is=6a9fe6ce&hm=135ac3f3bf5547556c965c367a7ae8922e17de13a63905b8dce35edcaef58485& [10:45:01] i do have a poor impression of fandom support, bc i sent many and many support tickets and they completely vanished into thin air. i asked in discord too and no one told me why this happens [10:50:03] at least to me, from support availability aspect miraheze also totally defeats fandom [11:26:36] fancy on the outside, trash inside [11:27:39] mmm 5000 ads [11:42:34] there's a number of ex-fandom people who'd strike me as either a pleasure to work with or a pleasure to have tbh [11:43:05] of course we offer little to appeal them as we very decisively will not be paying volunteer bills, even NAs, as long as agent doesn't see this and spill the beans about the office chairs [11:44:16] however ever since we phased 90% of agent's power into the backrooms we have had a significant reduction in leaks of true cabal capabilities [12:49:06] Technically, a good portion of us are ex-Fandom people 😛 [12:54:21] Oh shoot mafia? [12:54:32] I didn’t hear about that [12:56:56] Yeah [12:57:09] They went with wiki.gg [12:57:15] https://mafia.wiki.gg [12:59:24] https://www.reddit.com/r/mafiagame/s/6ACSL3kLfv [12:59:42] I guess https://mafia.wiki is a redirect [12:59:56] Yeah it is [13:21:18] ooo [13:21:31] that's awseome [13:49:09] touche, did chiefly mean staff [13:49:25] I guess even I'm sort of ex fandom even if I was always a bit more into wikis attached to other projects [13:49:50] I was a council member on fandom if that counts as staff [13:59:42] yeah but sometimes laziness is the point. e.g. I don't particularly care about how to parse speedscope data; getting ChatGPT to do something that spat out answers that kinda looked correct is enough for me [14:00:42] I forget just how restrictive fandom is lmao, I love that all of these things are just available on Miraheze without even needing a support ticket [14:04:03] Lack of dpl is [14:04:09] So fucking annoying [14:04:15] On the one fandom wiki im still on [14:08:26] I don't really use dpl, but the one thing I do use it for is insanely useful [14:09:23] We’re a massive wiki (135,000 articles) and almost all of our organizational issues could be solved if we had access to dpl (and if our bureaucrat wasn’t such a dpl fear mongerer but that’s besides the point) [14:09:57] I also look at it from an environmental and ethical standpoint, where ChatGPT's data set is not their own work. [14:11:15] DPL? [14:11:25] Dorset Premier League? [14:12:02] [1/2] Dynamic page list [14:12:03] [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList [14:12:11] Oh, fun. [14:12:23] That looks cool [14:12:55] So it's like a less restrictive category? [14:19:52] well it allows you to e.g. get pages in a category and actually use that list in a page [14:20:14] Oh, that's extra useful. [14:20:25] Since categories are rather thin on the customisation. [14:21:01] so for example is able to know which modules use it and which templates use it [14:21:25] (the module usage actually comes from bucket, but the template usage needs DPL) [14:21:56] I see. I daresay that helps with maintenance as well? [14:22:31] [1/2] probably [14:22:31] [2/2] I copied the dependency list module from the runescape wikis [14:24:41] previously to find out where a module was used, I would have to go to its whatlinkshere, find a page, preview that page and take out parts until I find what uses the module I'm looking for. usually I could filter to only show transclusions in the template namespace. But now I can just follow the links [14:31:09] That's neat. [15:03:27] [1/5] Personally I have no time or inclination to use my hands to learn certain things given a full schedule of things to do, but instead of denying results from existence because I don't feel like it, I might occasionally just use the tool. It's not rhetorically satisfying but it is practical and will win every time in the field even if people will emotionally be disi [15:03:28] [2/5] nclined to reply you with this. [15:03:28] [3/5] I have indeed invoked it for obscure script I just can't be arsed to learn intimately but which is useful to have progress on combined with my limited but present ability to procedurally head off or resolve errors before they impact people. The prime example the other day was that I basically threw an abuse filter question at an ai and have processed it that way, [15:03:28] [4/5] resolving it (hopefully, nobody ended up giving me test feedback) while sparing myself however many hours to personally figure out a tool that has always made my head hurt and is irrelevant to me the vast majority of the time, but that nobody else wants to learn either in most contexts and is still highly useful. [15:03:29] [5/5] This of course does not excuse the more institutional failings of AI, how it was created, how it was promoted, all of which are adequate backgrounds to ween off it. Alas, I am not overly pure in this way. [15:18:17] Cute right! [15:36:03] haha you fool, I have already forwarded this to #Skye's Catgif Emporium [15:38:25] 5 [15:50:19] I will try find more [16:52:06] I would say this is the most efficient way of GenAI usage [16:57:11] it's not really staff, it's more like the equivalent of a 'cool kids club' i guess [16:57:18] even more so with fandom stars too [16:57:43] and I used to be in both programs, but quit for multiple reasons [16:58:41] the main reasons being my loss of interest towards fandom improving as a platform and with the stars channels just becoming increasingly dramatic and toxic [16:58:47] I don’t think I ever formally quit. I lost access to the account which had council perms and never bothered to re-obtain it [16:59:34] The most interesting thing about council was seeing the really esoteric wikis people ran. Like one dedicated to peppers. [17:00:49] [1/2] > just becoming increasingly dramatic and toxic [17:00:50] [2/2] what I mean by this is that the fandom stars channels used to be a place where experienced wiki editors on fandom gather around, talk to each other, and send feedback to staff [17:01:33] it later became a place where people would often argue about the state of fandom, debates about forks, and staff no longer checking our feedback [17:02:12] that was probably a self fulfilling cycle as fandom shifted more brazenly in its chosen direction [17:02:26] yeah [17:03:51] at the end of the day, I thought it was better to quit and start anew. get to learn more about the other side of the world of wikis, aka where the forked wikis are: miraheze, wiki.gg, etc. [17:04:51] and thought those communities are a better place to host (forks of) our wikis eventually [17:05:27] so I forked PG3D Wiki to pg3d.wiki.gg and more wikis followed suit since then [17:05:32] and the rest is history [18:59:51] Scala is such a beautiful language [18:59:59] That's all I have to say 🫡 [19:09:05] [1/2] I wanted to test one of these items and decided to make something needlessly convoluted for fun [19:09:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1546960585466577006/image.png?ex=6aa1aed0&is=6aa05d50&hm=a263f0d7383ca6e0ff72acd461baa014b31217bf6f4fb893d4d2688683fae424& [22:10:19] are those headphones with only one ear [22:13:40] they have both ears, although one doesn't work [22:14:03] I just had to lift the ear cup in the drawing to make room for the earbud on my ear [22:14:10] this was a fun setup I should do it again [22:52:09] reminds me of the mess of wire setups in my house. my dad has an electronics degree (can't remember the exact degree title but I digress) and it shows