[14:40:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/open-source-software-host-fosshost-shutting-down-as-ceo-unreachable/ picked it up
[14:40:57] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Open source software host Fosshost shutting down as CEO unreachable | www.bleepingcomputer.com
[15:56:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Ugochimobi> Wow, CEO unreachable? Wow
[16:01:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> bruh
[16:35:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> chilling reminder to ensure that miraheze for example has no one point of failure
[16:36:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> we need to even partially consider the bus problem at any level of the miraheze organization, for example, considering owen as our leading asset for finance, board affairs and T&S business
[16:36:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> and one of very few who has/would have physical access
[16:37:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> other members occupy maybe not fatal, but essential roles that would hurt miraheze badly if we lose them
[16:59:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> The board has clauses in place to prevent something like this, and on top of that, most of everyone in charge knows each other very well and has a extensive history in Miraheze
[17:00:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> two good steps forward
[17:01:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> but I mean less someone going rogue and more literally the bus problem, someone getting wiped out tomorrow in a freak accident
[17:01:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> how we would cope and recover if certain people who do certain things well could no longer do them at all, given our current capabilities
[17:02:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> We would adapt, I mean there is some, albeit small overlap in knowledge when it comes to sre and such
[17:03:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> didn't we had a outage for 12 hours once?
[17:03:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> mainly the key is that we a) are always in a position to adapt as needed and b) have some degree of proliferation to make that adaption less rocky
[17:03:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> didn't we had a big outage for 12 hours once? (edited)
[17:04:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> didn't we had a big outage for 12 hours once? because we couldn't reach sys admins (edited)
[17:04:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> ie, documentation and other people knowing the fundamentals of how to do things - I think there is a serious need for CA's work in recovering wikis to proliferate to more people so we could have say, processed a few requests this weekend with someone able
[17:04:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> I think thats more of an issue of access vs knowledge
[17:04:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> in large part it is
[17:05:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> but not 100% either
[17:07:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Well neither access or knowledge should ideally have a single point of failure
[17:12:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> currently we're in a position where access and knowledge can be proliferated by emergency, it just tends to come very secondary to just keeping things going
[17:13:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> and of course the shortage in well-positioned people who can receive either in the first place
[20:31:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yep, we also need extra regional redundancy, per the 12-hour comment.  
[20:31:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[20:31:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I'm working my way up to being ready for that -- once I am, you'll have another volunteer ready to handle GMT-8 centric issues.  🙂
[20:35:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> we've honestly got too people for the regional aspect to be worth serious time
[20:36:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> too few*
[20:36:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> if someone coincides with good regional coverage, that's a great plus on what has to be other merits that make the sale themselves
[20:37:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Fair point, at this point just having more bodies to do the work will be huge.
[20:39:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> similar to why we can only put so much weight in competence with other languages; yes, natively knowing Japanese, Chinese, Spanish German etc is helpful, but if that is the primary selling point then it just doesn't work in capacities like Wiki Creator especially if that isn't accompanied with a fluent English understanding which is more fundamental than any other for how the platform works
[20:40:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> in that respect The Pioneer was a spectacular candidate because he was strong linguistically and he sold well in other regards, others not as much
[21:32:34] <ugochimobi>	 just btw, why is famepediawiki showing an error relating to famedatawiki? https://en.famepedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[21:32:35] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] MediaWiki | en.famepedia.org
[21:33:24] <ugochimobi>	 (Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: Unknown database 'famedatawiki' (db101) (db101))
[21:45:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Probably a wikibase issue
[21:45:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yep, that's what was determined to be the case in #general on discord.  Not sure if folks are taking action to disconnect it though.