[00:41:43] @Site Reliability Engineers encountering `[61751b343015a855ef16f7fc] 2023-04-26 00:41:22: Fatal exception of type "Exception"` when accessing Betaheze? [00:41:55] Betaheze was reset [00:42:04] Use https://meta.betaheze.org from now on [00:45:29] ah [00:45:40] thanks [00:46:12] @Agent I need an account [00:46:45] it doesn't appear as if I can create one myself [00:47:21] actually this is probably better for DMs when I think about it [00:47:26] DM me your email and preferred username (preferably, one that isn't in use on Miraheze as there'll now be a new pseudo policy of not allowing usernames on Miraheze to be used on Beta) [00:47:42] will do [00:48:32] Yeah, looks pretty funky that Special:CentralAuth/Void loads on there [00:48:58] seems that all MH accounts are copied over [00:49:11] but since it's on a different cluster, none of the edits, wikis, etc. [00:49:32] It's a cache thing [00:49:39] Beta has completely separate accounts [00:49:50] yeah I can't login at all [01:35:02] seems that you have to recreate your account [01:35:38] also, I just added userrights to myself db side, and for some reason I cant get steward rights to work properly [01:35:52] only bureaucrat and sysop are properly applying [01:36:39] in https://meta.betaheze.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/MacFan4000 I should be able to assign any group, but I can only assign certain ones [01:36:50] Yeah, it looked like global group permissions were getting pulled from the wrong source [01:47:38] MacFan4000: you have to enable 2FA to use steward [01:47:56] oh [01:48:11] but a local sysadmin group exists on metawikibeta so you can play around with that if you want [01:48:26] metawikibeta mirrors metawiki on production [04:24:08] I was going to ask if there was a new test wiki, and if users could apply to help test extensions (like DPL/3 Cargo, SMW). [04:26:01] case-by-case basis, I would ask Reception123 or Agent via DMs [04:26:12] you just need a valid use case tbh [04:27:03] Anyone is free to help out with testing extensions, there's no requirements! [04:27:04] sure [04:27:09] just ask [04:27:14] yup [04:27:57] just looked, you don't have an account yet on the wiki? [04:28:14] oh yeah on the new wiki [04:28:18] yup [04:31:27] Yep, am messaging Agent. [04:31:31] Thanks! [05:09:12] Should we be reporting betaheze bugs found using phab as usual? [05:09:57] yes please [05:10:12] oh [05:10:23] Can't access my wiki, hehehe [05:10:27] ah [05:28:52] fixed [05:28:58] interesting issue [05:29:09] CreateWiki cache didn't generate so it caused that [05:29:13] anyway, enjoy! [05:29:20] Thanks! [05:29:54] Reception mentioned not using phab for betaheze bugs found, to just mention informally. I'll keep a list and post here maybe. [05:33:55] yeah we've got enough tasks as it is for production so if we had an individual task for each bug on betawiki that'd be way too many [05:34:14] that's why also for testing extensions for 1.40 we report everything on one single task [05:35:06] This one? [05:35:27] Or elsewhere? [05:35:50] For now I'll just keep a page on my wiki. [19:12:38] ...how does Beta work exactly [19:12:38] I [19:12:45] It doesn't /s [19:12:47] Meta [19:13:08] like there are edits from other users (NotAracham, Commetia) on Betaheze's RC feed [19:13:14] but they are Meta edits [19:13:37] it's odd [19:14:06] I think someone literally uploaded a datadump of Meta [19:14:11] that's why [19:14:18] odd [19:14:25] intentional? [19:14:30] no idea [19:14:40] huh [19:14:55] and all global roles are there as well, I can create wikis..... [19:19:21] huh, I see no logs of creating DataDump on Meta [19:19:54] well, not my problem, that's for damn sure [19:20:39] haha [19:20:53] yeah I can't tell......it's literally Meta copied [19:21:02] That's on purpose, yeah, Meta pages were imported to Betaheze Meta [19:21:12] metawikibeta is supposed to be an almost identical clone of metawiki [19:21:26] but how did you do it? [19:21:29] so that we can test on it common Meta features to make sure nothing breaks on our most important wiki [19:21:40] Orange_Star: I manually imported the pages [19:22:03] but the revision history is there as well.... [19:22:12] wow [19:22:16] You mean the Recent Changes? [19:22:16] that's impressive [19:22:18] yeah [19:22:51] Since the database dump I got was from yesterday, rebuilding the recent changes table made it pick up all those edits [19:23:38] ah [19:23:50] you're crazy, man. I guess that somewhat explains https://meta.betaheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/OrangeStar saying my creation date is the same as on Miraheze proper [19:24:25] yup [19:24:53] Orange_Star: that's actually due to CentralAuth caching weirdness [19:25:14] Betaheze's CentralAuth database was reset so you'll need to recreate your account [19:25:44] someone better remove sysadmin from that ghost account then [19:26:26] the global sysadmin role doesn't exist on beta [19:26:35] local groups exist however [19:27:48] yeah, all Meta groups exist on Betaheze Meta [19:27:56] again it is a caching issue [19:28:28] only you see that ghost account (I.E. it doesn't show up for me in https://meta.betaheze.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers) [19:45:53] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329680 [19:46:05] Seems two values we use in GlobalCache got removed in 1.40 [19:46:11] maybe that's why Beta is a bit funky [20:51:25] where can i request an account on betahee [20:51:43] i thought i had an account but oh well [21:06:44] DM me your email and preferred username [21:06:53] Don't use the same username you use on Miraheze [21:07:19] if accounts are separate then why? [21:07:22] just curious [21:09:02] Due to the cache setup, using the same username as on production might break your production user until a sysadmin runs invalidateUserSessions [21:09:26] oh alr