[00:18:54] bless our tech gurus for all they do [00:24:27] like unplugging live servers [01:56:30] > Please note that WD does not recommend Green drives for use as System drives. They are primarily intended as secondary data drives. If nothing else, a Green would be rather slow compared to a Blue or Black. [01:56:31] heh [01:57:56] 😂 [01:58:08] Paladox do we know who suggested WD Green? [01:58:32] Im trying to figure out how we ended up with em [01:59:28] To beat their ass [01:59:33] i've been told we did it for cheapness [01:59:45] Makes sense [01:59:56] Think from now on we should use a grade upwards from green [02:00:03] Y e a h [02:01:12] Im thinking as soon as everything gets settled we see if theres a way can exchange em towards something else [02:01:21] we need to replace cloud12/10 urgently tho [02:01:40] they are using very outdated ilos which makes it very hard for us to connect to the remote console [02:01:49] Oh yay [02:01:57] i'm having to use a insecure java on my mac just to be able to use it [02:02:15] Paladox if you can price me an upgraded SSD setup for bare min, I’ll see what I can pull off [02:02:33] sure, i'll work with void and see what we can come up with [02:03:07] I know rams an issue but I want off those SSDs lol [02:03:15] rams less of an issue [02:03:21] we have 128g on cloud13/14 [02:03:37] i'll like to leave like 15-20g per server for like a db [02:04:04] but other then that we have enough for 10-20g expansion of existing vms or creating another vm [02:04:30] disk is a pressing issue. Cloud14 is slow asf [02:04:39] like it has a disk issue and i don't know why. [02:04:57] any kind of i/o from one of the vms causes issues for other vms. [02:05:07] Have we ran a disk diagnostic on it by chance? [02:05:29] I think we did if my memory is correct, don't think we identified anything. [02:05:36] That worries me [02:06:01] possibly the wiring or what ever connection it uses [02:06:13] Is it safe to assume its another WD green 😅 [02:06:33] i think so but i carn't be 100%. My network rn is ipv4 only so i cannot connect rn to check [02:06:47] We probably should find a way to fix that [02:07:01] Another issue to add to my list to look into [02:09:01] oh i have the asset check list [02:09:04] yeh it's wd green [02:09:18] Oh lord im gonna just go cry [02:09:27] we also have kingston? [02:09:45] Kingston, odd choice but ill take it [02:09:50] i wonder if we used kingston last year and had to use the wd green ones we installed just a bit before the incident [02:10:12] Oh maybe [02:10:49] tbh i love the dell servers [02:11:08] lifetime idrac license (not having to pay yearly to access the most basic features you need) [02:11:19] i also love that they use html5 console [02:11:24] Isnt that because dell makes IDRAC? [02:11:37] yeh but hp makes ilo [02:11:54] they just have different sub models. [02:12:01] Well.. HP is HP [02:14:35] Buy Samsung, their SSD are really cheap now [02:16:23] Mm [02:16:39] I was thinking either Seagate or something [02:17:01] Newer Seagate are really bad [02:17:48] Samsung SSD are top tier these days and their price is plummeted really hard [02:18:48] Idk it just depends on what they price it at, on what if I’ll even be able to even buy it [02:22:51] [1/2] https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/samsung-500gb-870-evo-series/p/N82E16820147792 [02:22:52] [2/2] Not sure if this price included shipping [02:23:49] I rather price what we would need, and newegg aint really where I’d prefer to buy server hardware [02:24:39] I thought MH server use same interface as regular computer? [02:24:57] It probably does [02:25:06] But I rather not buy server hardware from newegg [02:25:28] Oh, I have no idea how ppl buy server hardware from the UK [02:25:44] I dont trust newegg to not send out a “refurbished” piece of junk [02:25:58] I’d likely just buy it in the US and have it shipped to the UK [02:29:34] Also the Kingston SATA SSD are mostly garbage tier [02:30:12] the kingston we have has been running as long as we have had the server im pretty sure [02:30:18] So cant be that terrible [02:30:39] They certainly have a better track record than the WD greens [02:30:56] Kingston used to be my go-to for inexpensive SSDs, Samsungs are now my default buy. [02:31:01] I asked paladox to price me out some SSD’s and I’ll pay for what I can lol [02:31:02] But def understand y'all are on a limited budget. [02:31:10] Though, I suspect part of our problem may be controller related (at least with cloud11) [02:31:30] I'm thinking the first big budgeting project for the new board should be disk upgrades :) [02:31:44] Yea, I know that but the Samsung SSD price go down so hard so it's the only chance [02:31:56] Im gonna hopefully be able to afford enough for bare min, so that should help [02:35:36] Those for rarely writes only, not constant 24/7 like servers [02:37:17] If I have a chart of SSDs available to buy, it should be easier to choose [02:37:30] https://www.disctech.com/Samsung-PM983-MZ-QLB9600-960GB-U2-PCIe-NVMe-Solid-State-Drive?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiApOyqBhDlARIsAGfnyMqVdAw9GxgETGrNu7f5sNLBbbvqnzrlK6Bzjm9rYu1diHftXINp0yAaAqxnEALw_wcB [02:38:00] https://www.disctech.com/Samsung-MZ-7LH24000-MZ7LH240HAHQ-00005-240GB-SFF-SATA-RI-1-3-DWPD-Solid-State-Drive?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiApOyqBhDlARIsAGfnyMp1ZPYEyjGLC1fYNFA8nZBM7ODw7t67HKykzni1tRsAHg54Gja-T4UaAi6sEALw_wcB [02:38:02] Well thats a price [02:38:10] PM drives are OEM drives, should be identical to the retail one but the warranty is depend on seller [02:38:33] the later one is cheaper and would be the one for cloud11. [02:38:43] That's 2TB and I would consider that as really cheap [02:38:56] the 1 and 2TB are the best option if you can buy [02:39:44] 500GB is really expensive per GB comparing to the other 2 [02:39:48] > SSD Endurance DWPD: Enterprise Read Intensive [02:39:51] exactly what we want [02:39:57] enterprise graded ssds [02:40:19] Let me look up those models and do some price shopping [02:40:21] wait, isn't that NVMe drive? [02:41:27] i think the first is [02:41:33] the 2nd doesn't look like it? [02:41:59] 2nd is SATA [02:42:07] NVMe are extremely cheap per GB [02:42:18] yeh, we're running old hardware [02:42:25] that being a old server shell [02:42:33] lol, the image on the first is a 2.5'' 900GB SSD, but the description is definitely not that [02:42:52] cloud13/14 use DELL R620 [02:43:02] So at those prices I would only be able to reliably get 2 of the terabyte ones [02:43:07] cloud12/11 use HP DL360 GEN 7 [02:43:30] yea, unless your server don't have NVMe [02:43:56] What are current ones [02:44:12] Are they NVMe or SATA? [02:45:17] [1/9] > root@cloud14:/home/paladox# pveperf [02:45:17] [2/9] > CPU BOGOMIPS: 224076.40 [02:45:17] [3/9] > REGEX/SECOND: 1706476 [02:45:18] [4/9] > HD SIZE: 29.36 GB (/dev/mapper/pve-root) [02:45:18] [5/9] > BUFFERED READS: 31.10 MB/sec [02:45:18] [6/9] > AVERAGE SEEK TIME: 58.51 ms [02:45:19] [7/9] > FSYNCS/SECOND: 1245.01 [02:45:19] [8/9] > DNS EXT: 4482.75 ms [02:45:19] [9/9] > DNS INT: 8.26 ms (miraheze.org) [02:45:20] [1/9] > root@cloud13:/home/paladox# pveperf [02:45:20] [2/9] > CPU BOGOMIPS: 224080.40 [02:45:20] [3/9] > REGEX/SECOND: 1508235 [02:45:20] [4/9] > HD SIZE: 29.36 GB (/dev/mapper/pve-root) [02:45:21] [5/9] > BUFFERED READS: 188.26 MB/sec [02:45:21] [6/9] > AVERAGE SEEK TIME: 0.69 ms [02:45:22] [7/9] > FSYNCS/SECOND: 3045.88 [02:45:22] [8/9] > DNS EXT: 13.68 ms [02:45:23] [9/9] > DNS INT: 7.86 ms (miraheze.org) [02:46:01] yeh sata [02:46:09] we haven't got any nvmes as far as i understand [02:46:14] Oh ok [02:46:19] Let me look for sata then [02:46:41] you can buy NVMe stick then use PCIe mount to install that stick [02:47:50] Holy hell SATA is expensive [02:48:04] Yea, no one manufacture SATA these days [02:48:17] Besides the cheapest brand (and not very reliable) [02:48:50] https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16820147852 [02:48:54] wonder if that would do [02:49:20] then we'd need like either 960g/1tb for the other cloud servers [02:49:25] like i guess 3/4 x that [02:49:28] https://www.samsung.com/us/business/computing/memory-storage/enterprise-solid-state-drives/pm893-2-5-sata-1-92tb-mz-7l31t900/ isnt bad [02:49:30] or 2 x 2 tb [02:49:41] holy fuck [02:50:44] Lol [02:51:02] Are you ok? [02:51:31] Sometimes its cheaper to buy direct from manufactor [02:52:28] yeh, high price but it'll be worth it i guess [02:52:42] Idk what it shows for you but for me its 160-something [02:53:02] For 2TB [02:53:11] yeh anything >100 dollars is expensive for me :ultraseeth: [02:53:29] Huh, I got a 4tb samsung drive in my laptop, and I could have sworn it was cheaper than that [02:53:29] My rent is like 3x that 😂 [02:53:37] Is it Sata? [02:53:45] yeh [02:53:58] These are also enterprise grade too [02:54:15] They are made to be abused [02:54:22] Not sure you can get 4tb NVMe (certainly not when I got mine) [02:55:05] I’m just curious how much they’d charge me to ship it to the DC [02:55:06] i've got a 1tb one in my mac [02:55:37] i wonder if we can buy it in the UK [02:55:41] Cause I rather pay for it in USD, so my bank dont moan [02:55:46] if we can get it in the UK, would be signficantly cheaper [02:55:56] cuz no postage for international delivery etc [02:56:27] Yeah but the conversion rate [02:56:35] I wonder if its more expensive in the UK to begin with [02:56:52] yeh me too [02:57:28] Beware of "enterprise grade" [02:57:57] Some are literally same as regular retail drives [02:59:56] I dont even see it on their uk site [03:01:38] Sadly these "really cheap parts" only appears in certain countries [03:02:03] US and near China are the 2 biggest market for these [03:03:58] https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-cheap-ssds [03:04:06] … [03:04:12] Thats not helpful [03:04:21] Not for enterprise uses [03:04:48] oh [03:08:28] [1/2] I guess this is fine for SATA 2TB? [03:08:28] [2/2] https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Inch-Internal-MZ-77E1T0B-AM/dp/B08QB93S6R?sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D [03:12:07] seems that's for like a laptop or computer (not server)? [03:12:34] As I said above, Samsung "enterprise grade" are retail one sold for OEMs [03:12:54] PM981 = 970 EVO [03:14:23] PM881 = 870 EVO [03:15:07] [1/2] https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-1-92TB-PM883-SATA6-MZ7LH1T9HMLT-00005/dp/B07GD3GKGV/ref=sr_1_7?crid=3EHNXGELFREI8&keywords=enterprise+ssd&qid=1700536439&sprefix=enterprise+ssd%2Caps%2C166&sr=8-7 [03:15:07] [2/2] https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-250GB-Internal-MZ-76E250B-AM/dp/B07864WMK8/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=server+ssd&qid=1700536346&sr=8-5 [03:16:10] PM871 = 860 EVO I guess? [03:18:59] [1/23] At the Cheapest options on amazon here are the specs: [03:18:59] [2/23] PM883: [03:18:59] [3/23] Digital Storage Capacity 1920 GB [03:19:00] [4/23] Hard Disk Interface Serial ATA [03:19:00] [5/23] Connectivity Technology SATA [03:19:00] [6/23] Brand SAMSUNG [03:19:00] [7/23] Special Feature Portable [03:19:01] [8/23] Hard Disk Form Factor 2.5 Inches [03:19:01] [9/23] Hard Disk Description Solid State Drive [03:19:01] [10/23] Compatible Devices Desktop [03:19:02] [11/23] Color Black [03:19:02] [12/23] Hard Disk Size 1.92 TB [03:19:02] [13/23] 860 EVO: [03:19:03] [14/23] Digital Storage Capacity 250 GB [03:19:03] [15/23] Hard Disk Interface ATA-4 [03:19:04] [16/23] Connectivity Technology SATA [03:19:04] [17/23] Brand SAMSUNG [03:19:05] [18/23] Special Feature Data Recovery Service [03:19:05] [19/23] Hard Disk Form Factor 2.5 Inches [03:19:06] [20/23] Hard Disk Description Solid State Hard Drive [03:19:06] [21/23] Compatible Devices windows, mac [03:19:07] [22/23] Installation Type Internal Hard Drive [03:19:07]