[00:05:24] reminder ping @cosmicalpha when you have time [00:08:23] CA is busy irl rn so [00:08:40] ah! makes sense then, I'm in no rush [00:10:28] sounds like an unfortunate instance of timing; started making a big infra change, then life got in the way [00:10:35] yeah [00:10:44] lots of tech guys are a but tired [00:10:58] since there’s so few [00:11:09] and its so much harder to get them/train then [00:11:23] compared to even high community positions [00:11:24] oh, believe me, I understand what it's like to be tired in the tech industry, and I can multiply that x10 for volunteer work [00:12:12] considering how little I was able to find when looking up how to debug the job queue as someone who doesn't have SSH access to the server, I can imagine that the documentation for sysadmins is… not much better [00:13:50] I think I may be able to find something for you [00:13:56] let me see [00:14:30] a ha! [00:14:46] [[wikitech:Special:PrefixIndex/Kaftka]] [00:14:47]

[00:14:53] ffs [00:15:01] I was trying on mirabeta [00:15:28] https://wikitech.wikitide.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Kaftka [00:15:40] WHAT DO YOU MEAN WIKI NOT FOUND [00:15:47] 404 wiki not found [00:15:48] wait [00:15:52] No wonder. I was trying meta.mirabeta.org [00:15:53] im stupid [00:16:00] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Kaftka [00:16:17] Wikitech wikimedia wikitide theres too many [00:16:33] wikizilla [00:16:36] you also misspelled Kafka :p [00:16:45] KRILL ME [00:17:09] at least there are some docs, although that doesn't really help me tell whether a job has been eaten from the queue or if it's just sitting there [00:17:19] without direct access to Kafka that is, which I assume is shared between wikis [00:17:39] EventBus’ page may help i have no idea [00:18:16] I have not a lot of sysadmin experience especially not with mediawiki and never touched kafka [00:18:30] I have sysadmin experience but not with mediawiki or kafka :p [00:18:40] external job queues are kinda scary tbh [00:18:58] I’ve never done anything in production beyond discord bots in docker contains [00:19:17] the wikitech page does have a nice page linking to graphs for WMF's job queue [00:19:36] and I see a reference to "request purgatory" which is always something you want to see as a possibility [00:19:52] hm [00:20:04] if you want data about how many jobs maybe Grafana? [00:20:18] does mira have a widely available grafana page? [00:20:21] like can you just view it [00:20:26] Yes [00:20:43] https://grafana.wikitide.net [00:20:53] I was trying all the combinations of domains, so, thank you :p [00:21:09] looks like nothing is set up for kafka [00:21:26] oh, JobQueue found [00:21:27] we moved all the internal twch stuff to wikitide.net(wikis are on .org) [00:22:11] yeah, I was trying wikitide.org, miraheze.org, wikitide.com, didn't know wikitide.net existed [00:22:55] i didn't think a 404 page would embed lol [00:23:24] I mean, discord doesn't check the status before embedding [00:23:31] it just embeds whatever [00:24:49] also MacFan4000: want me to just write my tests in the phab task? [00:27:23] Man that's annoying 😮 [00:28:08] also, thank you PixDeVl for helping poke around this ❤️ [00:28:54] My pleasure [00:28:55] also [00:28:55] we might just file a support request for our wiki to get someone to manually run the few jobs that got stuck in the queue and then hold off on everything else until things are more stable; it's basically just one or two translated page moves [00:29:18] the issue is that all edits are locked on the source and destination until the move is complete, so, we can't do anything until it gets moved [00:29:19] who the fuck imported the IRS’ enwiki article onto beta [00:29:53] Understandable [00:30:21] actually @rhinosf1 wasnt runJobs.php also boycotting kafka? [00:34:57] Every time you create a new page you get "This page has no categories yet" Are you sure? [00:35:02] Bleeeeeeeeehhhhh [00:35:18] I hate it already [00:36:18] [1/2] It even asks it on a .css page . [00:36:18] [2/2] Can't add cats on .css only in Comment-out [00:36:22] grrrr [00:37:32] IKR [00:38:29] Pffft [00:38:46] What is this bs extension [00:39:06] If that is going to be permanent, I hope I can kill and nuke it [00:40:15] tell me if you find the name I wanna see hoe many masochist wikis use it [00:40:15] And "Purge" - Can't switch that off either [00:40:23] hm? [00:42:21] hey do you wanna try bullying the chat extensions to see if it breaks? [00:42:23] wait [00:42:32] its 2 am over ther nvm go to sleep [00:42:51] Almost 3 am [00:43:47] exactly [00:49:12] LOL [00:49:34] Even in Preview it asks for categories. I just wanna see if it works 😮 [00:50:17] And yup. The Floating is still gone [00:50:22] Grrr [00:50:49] Why are there no red links????????? [00:59:37] The extension is overzealous I think [00:59:42] Why does it ask me to add a CAT on a TALK page? [00:59:46] I commented on it in the task [00:59:54] It does it on preview as well [01:00:03] Yeah just said [01:00:07] Im gonna try and find the extension [01:00:22] Kill and NUKE and burn the rest [01:01:17] [1/2] Could someone add the css to the MediaWiki:Common.css? [01:01:18] [2/2] https://test.mirabeta.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css [01:01:38] Which the CSS? [01:01:50] Yeah [01:02:06] I added it to the talkpage [01:02:10] oh I see [01:02:13] just needs to be copied over [01:07:56] Wait what? Can't even source edit my own userpage [01:08:36] We're becoming enemies quite fast MW1.42!!! [01:13:39] I thnk that's just SocialProfile [01:14:57] @rodejong: can you check if you got the thank notification? [01:16:31] Yes [01:16:33] I did [01:17:00] Cool. Thanks is simple enough so I think it's safe to mark that as working [01:17:11] Plus its used on WMF [01:17:16] Yeah [01:17:34] But I CAN'T add my navi on the user page [01:17:44] That is not working [01:17:54] Try Source editing [01:22:54] Source editing where? [01:23:30] I marked 7 as working [01:24:15] No try source editing your own userpage. It just reloads it. It doesn't allow you to actually source edit [01:24:29] Just a 0 edit [01:25:56] @rodejong https://test.mirabeta.org/wiki/UserWiki:PixDeVl?diff=prev&oldid=18961 [01:27:46] Finally [01:27:50] Weird [01:28:17] Everytime you marked my edit... What did you see? [01:28:26] Nothing changed [01:29:31] SocialProfile has been real funky but I don't know if that's the new version [01:30:47] [1/2] I never used it before. I hate that. I just want to be my own. [01:30:47] [2/2] This looks so much like Fandom [01:33:14] [1/2] It doesn't even look good. The username is on the line [01:33:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1228518325894643762/image.png?ex=662c55d9&is=6619e0d9&hm=8d48ff99f5eecc476f267a196930b5f184399bfb3ce57406ca0b948ec236c180& [01:34:01] "This looks so much like Fandom" Exactly [01:34:06] That's the poit [01:34:11] point* [01:35:12] SocialProfile is actually a patch for new wiki-immigrants suffering from FANDOM withdrawl [01:35:22] Why do you think it's so fucking ugly [01:35:35] X-P [01:44:02] indeed [01:44:04] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1228521053773365349/image.png?ex=662c5864&is=6619e364&hm=46f30f454ea3a09aaefd40c411cdb73dbbf7c63a245edb661ba588daa5481b53& [01:44:13] Tried previewing Skin Monaco [01:46:14] Tommorow we should organize and maybe make phab tasks for the issues found [01:47:53] Lot's of extensions are gonna either need a member of tech to test them or we need to grant some people higher rights on Beta [01:52:38] Yeah [01:52:58] The Doubble click and rightclick-section are working fine [01:53:09] Extensions? [01:54:19] If you've fully tested them you can update the task I think. MacFan4000 how throrough do we wanna be in testing? In the balance of being correct and time efficient [02:00:05] is there an easy to grab all valid wiki links via script? [02:00:21] im trying to do some fancy stuff for a discord bot [02:33:13] If it works then check it off on the task [02:34:13] [1/2] @pixldev We need to address the fact that we have more licenses that WMF allows. So we need more options in the preferences. (That is a great idea to have that there) [02:34:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1228533675621089310/image.png?ex=662c6425&is=6619ef25&hm=c7908a20efbdb913ef10ec17932141ab84fb73adeecb0523c0ff4ca9c86a6fb5& [05:43:27] @Board Members just a note to the election committee: on the vote, it’s support-oppose-abstain for Agent and NA, but abstain-support-oppose for Reception123. Not sure if that’s intentional but it can be misleading and lead some to unintentionally abstain from Reception as opposed to support if so desired [05:43:43] and it’d be more fair overall to have the same order of options for all [05:43:55] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1228581414811734138/IMG_4327.png?ex=662c909b&is=661a1b9b&hm=d427a952cc27dc61d361c2b1b4615e942ebd7df973d5763db42c06266038612d& [05:52:02] It's likely too late to fix [06:00:57] It does it randomly. I inserted it correctly in order when I filled out the form. [06:01:16] If you refresh it may likely display in the correct order [06:01:43] Also, just to be sure, people can re-cast votes if they get it wrong [06:01:51] <.labster> Keep refreshing until it’s the order you want [06:02:22] <.labster> Can we see ballot counts during the election? [06:02:45] You can see the list of people who voted [06:03:37] <.labster> Ok like a real election. Good. [06:04:13] :StrongestOpposeMH: Oppose SecurePoll - I cannot ballot stuff anymore \:( [06:04:35] 😂 just wanted to make sure y’all knew if it was something that could be fixed [06:04:43] can you see who voted for whom? [06:04:52] not that it matters because i published my ballot but still [06:04:56] that would defeat the purpose of the extension [06:05:01] true [06:05:13] heh [06:08:13] insecurepoll [06:09:39] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1228587891974737980/Screenshot_2024-04-12_at_11.09.31_PM.png?ex=662c96a3&is=661a21a3&hm=25c0008856120a6ccd87880ca8272953f48237d73182d5258e8293f5d9c60f02& [06:09:50] What it looks like for me [06:10:36] [1/2] it does seem like a random order [06:10:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1228588129649168405/image.png?ex=662c96dc&is=661a21dc&hm=d01b0ec91c97b9deaaa98adedac13c7b1eec78f261eb471eb12022cb92e4afeb& [06:11:23] but only "Abstain" is ever moved and it's only ever moved to the top [06:11:24] It should be randomizing the candidates. It should not be randomizing the support/oppose/abstain [06:12:12] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1228588531434393693/Screenshot_2024-04-12_at_11.12.07_PM.png?ex=662c973b&is=661a223b&hm=977bf8533383d9b138808cedd740fac32e4f8335644c1dab13dee36d779b6d4e& [06:15:31] I wouldn’t shuffle the candidates either tbh [06:15:37] Just have them go in alphabetical order [06:16:05] Standardize it as much as possible [06:16:29] Also weird that SecurePoll is randomizing when it shouldn’t…..🤨 [06:18:41] Shuffling candidates is very common practice [06:38:30] Yes [08:29:02] I think this will have unwanted consequences. But likely it balance itself out over many users. [08:40:50] I don't see the unwanted consequence besides 'come first bias' being mitigated at scale [08:40:59] no one candidate is entitled to be first over the other in such a list tbh [08:41:49] I'm fine with this [12:03:24] So don’t need to be thaaaat in-depth [12:35:13] MacFan4000: you have crate on beta yeah? Could you enable the rest of the options for the share extensions to make sure they don’t explode? I have faith in it cause it don’t seem to touch any parts of the code that may be changed [12:40:46] The CategoryExplorer extension looks to be unmaintained with the last meaning commit being over 2 years ago in the about initial commit [12:43:12] I’m trying to remember how the parser function works to see how many wikis use it [12:43:20] If it’s basically none may want to remove [12:43:27] At the least maybe review? [12:43:30] If we have the man power [12:51:00] Do you know if this was also pushed to beta/in what version the extension was updated? Trying to see if it’s 1.42 that’s causing it to purge every redlinks even logged in or the extension itself [13:31:40] [1/5] 1. Edit sections: (headers) [ edithidehideall ] or the buttons "edit", "hide" and "hide all" have no space between them - This needs fixing [13:31:40] [2/5] 2. Red links are not shown, so users are unable to see what they are still missing when installing templates, or write articles. They are just shown as normal text without any link. [13:31:40] [3/5] 3. I copied my userpage on [user:Rodejong] but that is somehow removed again. Is that social extension the cause that I once again cannot source edit my own userpage? https://test.mirabeta.org/wiki/User:Rodejong [13:31:41] [4/5] 4. Vector-2022 skin. Apreciating the option to have "standard" and "wide", and that it remembers to stay that way. same with text "small", "standard" and "large" at the botom right tools bar. [13:31:41] [5/5] 5. The Category Extension is absolutely bonkers [13:32:29] Can you find the name of that extension [13:36:27] Used by 128 wikis [13:40:12] I have no idea. But it drives me NUTS [13:44:51] @rodejong FOUND IT [13:45:22] BWTA [13:45:29] 205 WIKIS USE THIS SHIT [13:45:39] FUCK [13:46:41] It’s MwCatSelect [13:46:44] Unmaintained [13:46:53] Last update 2021 [13:49:22] @bluemoon0332 what’s our policy on unmaintained extensions [14:10:18] [1/3] It's basically: [14:10:18] [2/3] If the extension is very simple and has no real need of maintenance, then it should be fine (as long as it's not been years without any changes at all) [14:10:18] [3/3] If the extension is complex and has no active maintainer, it's probably a no [14:22:27] It's literally Bonkers [14:23:14] Every edit you want to submit, even if it's a preview, a talkpage, your user page or user subpage, it wants you to add a category. 😦 [14:25:24] It slows you so much down [14:32:36]