[00:00:08] Far to bright colours [00:00:31] My wiki isn't perfect either: [[mh:jwmeeting]] [00:00:31]

[00:00:44] oop [00:01:03] ur layout is nice but the color scheme is a bit boring imo [00:01:03] rippp fair [00:01:33] I like boring, as it doesn't distract from the info I am putting on their. [00:01:51] thats fair yee [00:02:07] A wiki is meant to be informative and accessible, flashy comes second if it doesn’t interfere [00:02:08] IMO [00:02:09] Indeed [00:02:13] also how did you do that [[mw:theanimatronicvault]] [00:02:14]

[00:02:29] neat lol [00:02:36] Need to add a : at the end [00:02:39] https://urbanshade.org and https://phighting.wiki are the ones that come to mind as good examples [00:02:50] ooo pressure wiki [00:02:55] To link to other mh wikis is mh, not mw [00:02:59] mw is mediawiki.. wiki [00:03:05] ohhh [00:03:19] ooo those are good yee [00:03:20] [[mw:animatronicvault:]] That is the propper way. [00:03:21]

[00:03:57] mh: + animatronicvault: [00:04:37] ahhh gotcha loll [00:05:09] [1/2] And if you want to link to a page: [00:05:09] [2/2] [[mh:animatronicvault:User:Rodejong]] [00:05:09]

[00:05:20] oop noice lol [00:06:12] but yeah I could do darker colors but then it would look exactly like Cheese E Pedia I feel like XD [00:06:16] [[special:Interwiki]] [00:06:17]

[00:06:29] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1333951363906015294/image.png?ex=679ac284&is=67997104&hm=c4a856694c0e69b59dfed26fd75fb3698b2449a262c3b1e1bc69bd15679c5119& [00:07:05] There are only so many colours, someone is bound to be close to someone elses [00:07:12] this is true [00:07:45] it would just be awkward bc that sued to be the wiki I worked on until we had creative differences [00:07:51] And using a different layout and images, makes a lot of difference to stick out [00:07:58] true yee [00:08:21] You can also use a different skin [00:08:32] ehhh [00:08:40] not unless I can force others to [00:09:29] [1/2] [[mh:jwmeeting:Main_Page#tabber-tabpanel-Skins-0]] [00:09:29] [2/2] Check these skins out [00:09:30]

[00:10:05] I like the little scroll thing on the bottom [00:12:52] You can steal it if you want. [00:12:59] [1/3] But I am off to 🛏️ though as I need to get some [00:13:00] [2/3] 💤 [00:13:00] [3/3] 🛌🏻 [00:13:08] oop gotcha, gn lol [09:41:07] [1/2] ----- [09:41:07] [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1333976342013939834 Interesting read [09:42:54] [1/5] the 1.43 alert is massively increasing CLS of wikis (and therefore UX), these are a few miraheze wikis with the notice. [09:42:54] [2/5] it means when the page first loads something has moved from its initial position - https://web.dev/articles/cls [09:42:54] [3/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1334096423322390549/image.png?ex=679b499d&is=6799f81d&hm=cd4973439e54e68567ac38a1b15c1d8e4a42c6e33a5d13690ef32af80c0cbefc& [09:42:55] [4/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1334096423569981500/image.png?ex=679b499d&is=6799f81d&hm=537c3cd4c88a013c88badd8cf7810655301e5138210af46226ade0f1a2030172& [09:42:55] [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1334096423888617512/image.png?ex=679b499d&is=6799f81d&hm=4716b152f9db8db90b23d76958f837a3466ea6447f8f3caa6aefe5535cbfbd72& [10:02:35] https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-jwmeeting-miraheze-org/24gx3pdapr?form_factor=mobile Cumulative Layout Shift for my wiki : 0.537 😱 [10:58:41] OOF! [11:46:35] Are any of these pages cached? [11:47:20] _Just another reminder that Google has again stated that page insight speeds are NOT a high ranking factor of search results_ [11:50:27] I haven't checked my console for 3 months now, it seems, I don't care anymore ... [14:05:28] Google fuckin sucks [14:05:54] They will do whatever to put google content front and centre and steal everyones content to use in their shitty AI stuff [14:36:37] all true [14:38:25] But it is what it is [14:39:57] my answer is cutting it out and encouraging it be cut however possible [14:40:13] although search is in a dire state since options don't get much better after google or they depend on google to be decent [14:41:59] It’s more market share really [14:42:21] Anyways, if we can have the notice not load for googlebot that would be good [14:42:32] well another thing is that the incentive is broken [14:42:46] it's not cheap to host a good search so either you are the income or you must otherwise provide the income [17:40:06] You can't [17:40:18] Because then you'd be in violation of showing bots and users different content [17:40:32] Which is a big thing for google and they will serve a manual action on the domain [17:42:59] :zuka_gay: [17:45:02] [1/2] I think the issue with Google and alternatives is not necessarily that Google is a better product -- because its not. It's just so deeply integrated with society that its probably impossible to replace. [17:45:02] [2/2] For example its always "let me google this" even if you're not using google. Its never "let me bing this" or just a simple "let me search for this" (partially because those dont make sense as opposed to googling something) [17:46:35] yeah, sadly [18:15:33] its about user experience not rankings really [18:15:54] because a first time user of miraheze will see that and see the content move [18:16:14] Is it though? Because 99% of people are not going to be bothered by that [18:16:23] its still a UX concern [18:16:54] when a user closes the notice on any miraheze wiki it wont show again for them on any wiki [18:17:12] so it will only be for users visiting miraheze for the first time (on that device) [18:17:31] We've had approximately 0 people complain that this is an issue. [18:17:38] i have [18:18:18] i dont get why you think this is completely unimportant [18:18:54] You’d be surprised [18:19:39] That’s weird and annoying though [18:19:45] why [18:19:56] I thought the cookie saved across sub domains :p [18:20:05] not any wiki actually [18:20:10] just any on the miraheze domain [18:20:26] Oh I misread [18:20:31] I thought you said it didn’t do that [18:20:35] I expect that it did [18:21:05] This is what happens when you skip lunch [18:21:25] it appears within a very short amount of time of loading the page which might just annoy the user for a few seconds but then they will look past it [18:21:31] Yeah [18:21:35] but mobile users with a slow connection will see it for longer [18:23:15] Would be nice if it could be sent with the HTML page [18:23:34] But then wouldn’t be dismissible (or have the same issue if you do) [18:23:41] Hopefully we can remove it soon anyways [18:25:37] that should still be possible in theory with php + js, idk why the ext is only using js to create the element [18:26:12] you could include it in the output page object unless a cookie is set which could be set via js [18:27:12] the extension is CentralNotice btw [18:27:46] Yeah [18:28:06] Site notice is not a very good extension. Miraheze version pending ™️ [18:28:09] There’s probably issues with that, ie load time, cache, but I don’t care rn [18:28:24] CentralNotice even [18:28:26] Can you add targeting user rights too [18:32:15] seems to be no campaign atm so idk how its setup https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralNotice [18:36:40] I don't think those notices are done through CentralNotice -- 99% sure we use the relevant hooks. [18:38:41] i think so yeah [18:38:42] https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/blob/master/Sitenotice.php [18:38:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/1.43/extensions/DismissableSiteNotice/modules/ext.dismissableSiteNotice.js, [18:39:08] i really dont know much about mediawiki/miraheze [18:41:17] [1/4] ```js [18:41:17] [2/4] mw.util.addCSS( '.client-js .mw-dismissable-notice { display: block; }' ); [18:41:17] [3/4] ``` [18:41:17] [4/4] but it's loaded in all pages by default anyway [18:42:23] Yes but its loaded by ResourceLoader so it will only be loaded after the initial DOM has been shown to the user which is probably whats happening [18:42:47] They should probably change that to load in the so that its loaded before the page finishes rendering [18:43:51] Sounds simple enough [18:44:28] Do you wanna test it on beta? [18:45:19] Yup its just a call to OutputPage::addHeadItem [18:45:31] Potentially can yeah [19:37:54] The update to MediaWiki 1.43.0 did not fix my problem with WhatLinksHere, covered at https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13014 and I updated my post at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal#WhatLinksHere_not_working. I realise the devs know it isn't fully working. What's the next step? [20:01:59] Patience [20:02:23] I can do that