[01:54:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Oh yeah, can someone merge this for me please? https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5898
[01:55:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Oh, and this one too please: https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5900
[03:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Thanks @agentisai.
[04:03:27] <BlankEclair>	 should we let `$wgCiteBookReferencing` be enableable i wonder
[04:03:34] <BlankEclair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Cite#book_referencing
[04:06:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Probably, yeah. I don't think there'd be any performance issues.
[04:07:19] <BlankEclair>	 it's mainly the beta aspect which is why i'm asking ^^;
[04:08:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Oh, hmm.
[04:12:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to BlankEclair> https://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Sub-referencing
[04:12:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Check the, "what doesn't work yet" section.
[04:12:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> That might disqualify it for now?
[04:13:12] <BlankEclair>	 none of them are showstoppers fortunately
[04:13:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Well, disabling Parasoid just to use it is a pain.
[04:13:55] <BlankEclair>	 it's not like parsoid works on our wiki anyway xD
[04:14:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I guess if you make it enableable leave a warning message and link to the WM page about it.
[04:15:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I don't think we wanna see fifty tickets cause something doesn't work as intended with a beta feature.
[04:16:45] <BlankEclair>	 true
[04:28:22] <BlankEclair>	 i'll just do this workaround until i get consensus: https://rainverse.wiki/wiki/Amanda_Kertigan?diff=prev&oldid=37106
[04:44:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> ?
[04:44:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to aeywoo> Parsoid isn't really a beta feature
[04:45:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> ParsoidReadViews is available in 1.44
[04:45:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> As a config option
[04:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to rhinosf1> beta here is sub-referencing
[04:45:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pixldev> nested references
[04:45:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Oh
[04:46:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i found out that we got the pictures for amanda and lavender mixed up lol
[04:58:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to rhinosf1> Yeah, I was talking about sub referencing.
[04:58:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to pixldev> Consensus if the feature should be enabled now or if we should wait until later/out of beta.
[05:01:29] <BlankEclair>	 along with consensus from the other rainverse wiki maintainers if we want to use said beta feature
[05:02:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to BlankEclair> Obviously you're the leader so obviously you should 100% do it!!!
[05:02:33] <BlankEclair>	 i know you're joking, but i don't like being a benelovent leader ^^;
[05:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to BlankEclair> who said I'm joking O.o
[05:04:04] <BlankEclair>	 in which case, i'm not the only leader :p
[05:04:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to BlankEclair> You will be soon... :knife
[05:04:46] <BlankEclair>	 oyasumi
[05:08:25] <RhinosF1>	 For the avoidance of doubt, stabbing people to become a leader is generally frowned upon
[05:29:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to RhinosF1> It hasn't stopped people through.
[07:08:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'm gonna make a PR to remove MediaWiki, I think it'll be successful guys!
[08:07:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Would it be such a bad idea to give people the ability to change what semantic DV link features they want? https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$smwgDVFeatures
[08:08:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> It'll just be an option list with all the current valid options.
[08:26:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to aeywoo> I have use bluespiced semantic mediawiki at work so I think anything that touches either of them is a bad idea
[08:39:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> these days you do the stabbing outside of public eye as it's bad for pr
[08:39:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> that was grossly out of context from chat not updating... but at least context isn't that far up
[08:59:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to rhinosf1> But, people can already change SemanticMediaWiki settings.
[08:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Also BlueSpice isn't part of this conversation.
[08:59:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to aeywoo> It's fine he
[09:00:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I just dislike semantic mediawiki
[09:00:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Okay, well I'm gonna make a PR to add these settings to `ManageWikiSettings.php` and `LocalSettings.php`, would you be willing to approve them when I'm done making it.
[09:07:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Do all SemanticMediaWiki configuration options go in `SemanticMediaWiki.php` right?
[09:09:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to aeywoo> Not doing much shell this week because fighting flu
[09:10:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to rhinosf1> Quick question.
[09:10:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> The default format for the `$smwgDVFeatures` is `$smwgDVFeatures = SMW_DV_PROV_REDI | SMW_DV_MLTV_LCODE | SMW_DV_PVAP | SMW_DV_WPV_DTITLE | SMW_DV_TIMEV_CM | SMW_DV_PPLB | SMW_DV_PROV_LHNT;`, if I setup this global as a list type with options, will it automatically delliniate them with a pipe `|` or no?
[09:10:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> And if not, is there a way to make it be able to do that?
[09:11:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> No idea
[09:11:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> :1471_gun:
[09:24:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'm thinking of setting it as either a `list-multi` or `string`, not sure which one would be better.
[09:32:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> @blankeclair Do SemanticMediaWiki's not have any customisation through ManageWiki?
[09:32:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> dunno tbh, i haven't looked
[09:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> but if you haven't found any, uhhh probably not?
[09:33:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'm going to add them all then!!!
[09:33:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> The only ones I've seen are in `SemanticMediaWiki.php` and those are like integral settings afaik.
[09:37:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> @blankeclair Can we add a new tab for SemanticMediaWiki settings in ManageWiki?
[09:38:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Or do I just put them all in `SemanticMediaWiki.php`?
[09:38:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> tab probably
[09:38:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I wonder how we make a new one.
[09:38:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i cried for a lil bit a few hours ago, and i want more ^^;
[09:38:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Do I have to make a commit to ManageWiki to add it?
[09:38:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to blankeclair> Awww, how come?
[09:39:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i was reaing lavender and related to amanda way too much
[09:39:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> https://www.deviantart.com/jocelynsamara/art/LAVENDER-TOWN-Chapter-1-69040191
[09:39:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Ah, I see.
[09:45:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> ph my pees
[09:47:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> @reception123 Howdy, do you know how to add new configuration tabs to ManageWiki?
[09:49:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123, replying to aeywoo> you mean the tabs above like "Anti spam", "Beta", etc.?
[09:50:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Yeah, an "Parser functions", "Styling" etc.
[09:50:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I wanna add one for SemanticMediaWiki settings.
[09:50:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Although, if SemanticMediaWiki isn't installed that tab shouldn't be visible, is that also possible?
[09:55:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123, replying to aeywoo> that part I'm not sure about
[09:55:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> if the current way we do things allows you to hide tabs based on whether something is enabled
[09:55:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> It should definitely not be too hard to implement in the code but I'm not sure if that was ever considered when it was done
[12:30:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Well, how am I supposed to add new tabs?
[12:38:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> galleries in PIs officially broken 🎉
[12:48:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You do realise each extension has a page anyway
[12:48:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> true
[12:51:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to rhinosf1> For settings? Yes.
[12:52:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> So why a new tab?
[13:02:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Idk, I thought it would be good.
[13:03:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Is the current settings by extension not great for users?
[13:34:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Wouldn't it be inconsistent though?
[13:39:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> How?
[13:55:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Well, you go to Special:ManageWiki/settings and they're not there.
[13:56:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Also, there is no current settings page for SemanticMediaWiki.
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[19:19:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> that format is fucked
[19:19:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> But
[19:22:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/7] as a hack, you can set an array in managewiki, and then put those as options, and then in GlobalSettings you can retrieve that config I think, say you name it $wmgSMWOpts, you could do 
[19:22:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/7] ```
[19:22:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [3/7] foreach ( $wmgSMWOpts as $opt ) { 
[19:22:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [4/7] $smwgDVFeatures |= $opt
[19:22:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [5/7] }
[19:22:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [6/7] ```
[19:22:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [7/7] or something
[19:22:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> thats really fucked
[19:37:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> So perfectly normal then
[19:53:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> not as fucked as my attempt to get rid of central auth on telepedia :(#
[19:54:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Anything central auth related is cursed
[19:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> 10 points to slytherin
[19:55:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> Did you succeed
[19:55:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> about 85% the way there
[19:55:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> wrote the worst fuckin script I've ever seen in my entire life
[19:55:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> to loop through every table that references the user_id and actor_id and replace with a new one
[19:56:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> then I gotta fuck about unstealing local accounts because when central auth creates a local account it steals it so it cant be logged into without central auth
[19:57:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @originalauthority fucky
[19:57:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> yeah and its even worse because someone at wfm thought it would be great to serialize logs with userId's in them
[19:58:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> so i gotta unserialize all of the logs too and then change the id and then serialize them again
[19:58:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What
[19:58:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> exactly
[19:59:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Moving to shared DB?
[19:59:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> yup
[20:01:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Is the sterilisation consistent?
[20:01:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> sterilisation? whose been sterilised?
[20:01:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Serialisation
[20:01:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You know what I mean
[20:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I can't spell on a good day
[20:02:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> for wmf ones, yeah, eg the log type for `newusers` is always `[ userId => XYZ ]` serialized
[20:02:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> but for extensions which create their own logs nah
[20:02:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> cos they just do whatever the fuck they want
[20:02:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Your luckily it's not mixed between JSON and PHP Object he
[20:02:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Or other random stupid idea
[20:03:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> yeah
[20:03:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> if you put json in a sql database i hate you
[20:05:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> :ChocolaStareSide:
[20:05:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Uh
[20:07:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> They really fucked up this light mode
[20:07:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1360345636339187733/Screenshot_20250411_210735_Discord.jpg?ex=67fac819&is=67f97699&hm=f48786ee98624c6d72ea0f730acfd3f40f9be5f12e85e1dbcc8ff27014d22ae8&
[20:08:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> I've never used discord light mode
[20:08:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It blinds me
[20:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> I should show you what we did with json at work
[20:18:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> no pls
[20:20:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> It's tens of thousands of C
[20:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> classic
[20:50:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> also I finally learned how to use cloudflare tunnels!
[20:50:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> now my pc can be open to the internet for hacking! yay!
[20:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> nah I have it behind github with only access if you're in a certain group
[20:52:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> dunno if it works though heh
[21:51:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Should do
[23:06:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> $wgConf is ROTTEN is what I have found
[23:06:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> or ManageWiki, either or
[23:56:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to originalauthority> managewi-
[23:58:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> i think it is you know
[23:59:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> for some reason its possible to declare a $wg variable after managewiki and it load, but if you try to declare `$wgGroupPermissions[$group][$right] = true/false, it doesn't register`