[00:31:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419048 oop
[00:33:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> sorry what
[00:33:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1480362828249432134/image.png?ex=69af66d2&is=69ae1552&hm=e54006cdcafaf0c1b80f25a8000677a56ae3fc5839d91bda8e9d5cb54b5ba3b9&
[00:34:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> mmmmm
[00:35:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to abaddriverlol> is that for Parsoid?
[00:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> they living on hopes and dreams fr
[00:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> yep
[00:36:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> What are you talking about?
[00:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> ?
[00:37:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Parsoid is where hopes go to die and dreams burn into ash
[00:37:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> tbf
[00:37:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> much nicer developer experience than using legacy parser; but as a whole its a dumpster fire
[01:12:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [1/2] that's fun because PI still doesn't work :D
[01:12:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [2/2] https://rainverse.wiki/wiki/Rain:336:_Kissy_Talk?useparsoid=1
[01:16:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to blankeclair> soon™
[01:17:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> press x to doubt
[01:38:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> has anyone thought of uh
[01:39:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> limiting the number of attached accounts that can pop up at first when looking at a global account
[01:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> because when you do it with a person whose been on a long time at miraheze, it lags the entire browser
[01:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> or perhaps lazyloading the edit count?
[01:41:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> iirc, most of the time is spent on external db lookups
[02:08:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to tangoer_man> It's a hell of a lot better than it used to be post-SUL3
[02:09:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Used to be me and my 3k attaches could go be tea before adding checkuser to my account would finish
[02:09:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to notaracham> god if my computer runs the browser 5 seconds per frame looking at a bigass global account after sul3 i dont want to imagine before sul3
[02:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> It was very, very bad
[02:10:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Took me several minutes to log in every time
[02:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> :xsob:
[02:12:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> (this is only an issue for the oddities like myself who have a reason to have so many attaches)
[02:12:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Skye will know this pain in a few years
[02:13:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Pix too
[02:13:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> hello it is me ms. gotta catch 'em all
[02:15:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> obviously im only doing this volunteer thing because an user from a NSFW wiki asked for help and now I have to look like I'm helping everyone so it doesn't look weird when there's a few eyebrow raising wikis in my CentralAuth
[02:21:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> meanwhile i'm just making contributions to degreesoflewditywiki
[03:04:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> Regular reminder to express my gratitude for the existence of remote ManageWiki
[03:12:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> It stems the tide
[04:32:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> And with the Wiki. Bad joke.
[09:22:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to blankeclair> Because it's not live 🤔
[09:22:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ?
[09:23:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Miraheze is not running the patch for Parsoid PortableInfoboxes.
[09:26:26] <BlankEclair>	 ah okay
[09:32:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> 🔜
[10:20:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> what amount of compute does it take to run the full eventbus pipeline with kafka and changeprop?
[14:45:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to zipppee> Kafka requires quite a lot. Both Changeprop and eventgate dont require all that much.
[15:16:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to cosmicalpha> How many broker nodes do you guys use
[15:22:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> (RedPanda is probably an easier alternative if you don't have the resources available)
[15:22:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> We might have enough
[15:23:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> I'm prepared to give like 20 total GB ram and a few vCPU to it
[17:00:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to zipppee> we give it 20gb of RAM and 8 vCPU
[17:01:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to cosmicalpha> is that on one broker or multiple
[17:01:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> I suppose jobs aren't really something that need redundancy, it's ideal if they don't get lost but failure is presumably tolerable
[17:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> One
[17:02:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> But we will try and add another soon also.
[17:02:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> alr I can prob get away with like 8GB ram and a few vCPU
[17:03:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> We use 20GB RAM. It probably needs more than 8GB due to Java being so RAM hungry.
[17:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> I'll toy around with it, we don't have that many events or jobs processed usually so it can probably manage with a handful
[17:06:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> realistically the amount of data that it will have to process will be so small I can run it on hard drives
[17:06:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> we have one server with ssds but the resources on that are constrained somewhat so I prefer to use that for databases and mediawiki itself
[17:33:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> @pskyechology @posix_memalign https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T14896#301709 btw
[17:35:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to cosmicalpha> pr #777? we dont need any "lets gamble, try merging", you can just directly push to prod
[17:35:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> /j
[17:35:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> looks promising though
[17:41:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> It's gonna be hard to reproduce and test since there's some race condition involved. As long as it doesn't make things worse we can monitor new reports of things being broken?
[17:41:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Or we spawn lots of test wikis on beta and see how they do.
[17:41:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> It cant be tested on test151.
[17:41:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> It in theory is never reproducible on beta.
[17:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Because jobs always run on the same server ManageWiki is changed on.
[17:42:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Thats when it happens on prod. When jobs run on a different server since changing ManageWiki does reset cache on the current server.
[17:43:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Unless there is some other race condition as well.
[17:43:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to posix_memalign> the forbidden prod wiki spawner
[17:48:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> That reminds me: I still haven't wiped https://defaultextensiontest.miraheze.org and https://defaultextensiontest2.miraheze.org from the database since I deleted them on a machine without my ssh keys. Doesn't really matter though as they are more-or-less empty.
[17:49:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to cosmicalpha> I vaguely remember TitleKey not working when testing the 1.44 upgrade. It fixed itself after some disabling/re-enabling. Not too sure about events that happened 9 months ago, though.