[16:46:38] [[Steward requests/Conservatorship]] This is new. [16:46:40]

[16:49:42] Not really, it existed but was very hidden and niche [16:49:55] As the page creator, I’m honestly wondering if it’s worth the space it takes up [16:50:37] I hope you guys didn't mind that I made just a small change to the header, highlighting the [[Steward requests/CheckUser]] page to report suspected socks. I just wanted to make it pretty clear. [16:50:38]

[21:32:17] I do think it could be revised somewhat [21:32:32] but want to tackle that with other notions like consolidating boards in general [21:34:06] [1/2] my uncertainty is if that should be more by exact action or more by the probable scope ie things that are functionally discretionary, things that are semi tech in which case I'd put un/delete/reopen/restricted changes kind of in one bubble of things that relate to overall wiki status; things that relate to accounts and investigation into another bubble which has more cvt scope, and t [21:34:07] [2/2] hings that are more exclusive to steward scope in its own spot like discussion closure, misc and so forth, but as you can tell this is kind of muddled [21:35:48] and related to that + conservatorship board I've separately thought about scope including requesting things related to dead wikis not necessarily in formal conservatorship, requesting cvt intervention/management or raising issues of cvt action in that scope, adoption requests since as few wikis in my mind should be under cvt fallback as possible [21:36:46] at least a couple boards I think could just merge without all of this, such as discussion closures into misc which would frame as a general appeal to stewards to perform a judgement action, and everything pertaining to wiki status (delete, open, extensions) coming together [21:37:08] I've also very narrowly thought if we really need to have global and CU split because in practice what is reported on global can often rise to CU and vice versa [21:37:24] all to say, the whole thing needs a think-over [21:37:45] Yeah, was thinking the same thing related to CVT stuff. I'll work on tweaking that header a bit [21:38:26] to kind of summarize I've thought of consolidation based on action or scope but either way I think we might be better off with fewer queues logistically even if some turn out to be longer because of it [21:38:43] requests for reopening is specifically kind of a legacy function that was glued into SR [21:42:44] I don't really have the time today to put a new essay together yet I basically have an essay in scope in mind, sigh [21:43:37] The perennial problem of an idea crisp in the minds eye but too many overdue projects ahead of it. 😭 [21:45:16] Basically [21:45:24] I support the idea though [21:54:21] well the problem is that its 15 ideas in a trench coat [21:54:46] warring with the ferocity of the 20th century [21:58:24] If anyone wants to pick at a mini project, https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Guide_to_writing_wiki_requests updating is on the table since the new character requirements [21:58:58] As NA said, really what we should probably do is revamp the whole family of wiki requests guides that are all kinda nessy [21:59:15] But one thing at a time, making sure this guide at least is better than it is now is progress [21:59:28] 👀 [21:59:48] Feel free to take a crack and leave here for review and thoughts, I will gladly help but I am not in a very good thinking mode right now so, will probably not give good feedback until tomorrow [21:59:51] the evil jane of doom and despair [22:00:05] it’s a grumpy pix day [22:00:46] :stare: [22:01:14] No problem! I might take a swing at it. idk. feel better pix!! [22:02:19] <_arawynn> I think I'll join in on working at it as well, but I'm going to bed soon as it's just past midnight for me [22:02:39] a battle to the death begins (swuzzo is the ref) [22:02:45] (jk also lol) [22:02:56] Will also give a direct ping to @alisdig if they’d be interested in jumping on as well, entirely up to them but always welcome and would be working in good company evidently [22:02:57] Sleep well! [22:04:01] I'm good, thanks though! Maybe some other time when I've got less problems🤔. [22:04:03] <_arawynn> though first thought at 'Anatomy of a Wiki request' under the 'Describe the focus or purpose of your wiki' I'd add a sentence like "The required minimum length for this is 350 characters." or something [22:04:12] Someone turned off the discord lights and now I literally can’t see anything in this message except the users typing. I love you discord [22:04:36] <_arawynn, replying to janebuzjane> I certainly will, thank you [22:04:55] Okay we’re back. I love the internet [22:05:33] Fair enough, best of luck with your wiki (and other) workings mate, and thanks for the prod on this [22:16:32] Also, brevity brevity brevity. All our guides are so wordy. 😄 [22:16:49] "The great word wall of Miraheze" [22:17:56] Whenever I look at a message from raidarr (This is a compliment ❤️ ) [22:25:47] @notaracham: you mean I'm not the only wordy one on Miraheze? :p [22:27:11] There's a trend of maximum verbosity that is not 100% doug-attributable, yes. 😄 [22:28:40] I have designs on fixing the most egregious in our backlog of policy docs, but 'time permitting' continues to be the problem. [22:37:05] @notaracham: well said haha [23:36:04] UD/RW can technically be actioned by tech but they also require interpretation of general policy, which is Stewards' job. whereas RC can just be actioned by tech. So maybe UD/RW could be combined but I think RC should stay separate [23:38:31] I think that unless I'm typing something out really quickly and ending up repeating myself, I usually tend to be extremely not verbose. Like all of those school/uni projects with a maximum word count, where everyone else was complaining that they couldn't possibly fit their thoughts into so few words, I always ended up being far below the word count [23:39:47] Yep, never a problem with your content [23:40:42] I tend to start as a barrage of ideas then cut cut cut to get the core idea down. Going to end up a bit wordy if I don't apply my editing pen [23:41:51] sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to formulate two sentences and sometimes I can just blurt out words [23:57:31] [1/9] I took a shot at this and also included emojis instead of using only semantic highlighting of red/green (which isn't accessible). I tried to also tighten up the reasoning a bit. I'm not a WR though so please let me know if my artistic license went too far 💃 [23:57:31] [2/9] This wiki will document things about the online video sharing service Youtube. It will document the history, its content creators, its achievements, and the videos hosted on it. Most of its pages would be about popular YouTubers and popular videos, and also projects that it hosts (like VidCon) or other important events related to YouTube the company. - ✅ Th [23:57:31] [3/9] is request has a clear purpose (documenting YouTube, its features, and the people who upload videos on it) and scope (only popular YouTubers and videos and important events) [23:57:32] [4/9] This wiki will be an encylopedic wiki entirely about wikis with at least 50 pages (the topic does not matter—any wiki is eligible for inclusion as long as it meets the page criteria). It will document wikis across all wiki farms and wiki engines and will be written from a neutral point of view; may also include pertinent details about local editors, discussi [23:57:32] [5/9] on topics, and community history. - ✅ This request may be short, but it does its job. In only two sentences, it described the wiki's purpose (documenting information about wikis), topic (wikis and wiki-related things), and scope (wikis with at least 50 pages), as well as meeting the required 350 character count. [23:57:32] [6/9] This wiki will be about an imaginary world where the only living things on it are turtles. It would document about imaginary villages, cities, species, and other things in the imaginary world. The imaginary world would have high technology advancement. It might also include some facts about the turtle race's history and any previous civilizations that lived [23:57:32] [7/9] on the turtle world. - ✅ It described the wiki's purpose (an imaginary world), topic (where the only living things on it were turtles), and scope (imaginary villages, cities, species, and other things in the imaginary world...). [23:57:33] [8/9] I'd like to create this wiki to save notes for my class. The notes will be general notes such as interesting things and facts I want to study about later. It would have lots of study guides and some other stuff, such as some interesting or hard questions and flashcards that I make to look at later or share with friends even though the wiki itself will be pri [23:57:33] [9/9] vate. - ✅ This request is slightly unclear, but acceptable for a private wiki. [23:57:33] [1/7] This wiki will be about wikis considered bad by the general community. It will outline the reasons why the wikis are considered bad and the redeeming qualities, if any, that they have. Pages about users will not be allowed on this wiki and we will have an active mod community to ban anyone starting drama or posting lies that aren't fact-based. - ❌ Although this request has a su [23:57:34] [2/7] fficient purpose and topic, both are likely to cause drama and hate even if there is a "team" involved to delete policy violations. [23:57:34] [3/7] This wiki will document about Twitch and its creators. - ❌ This request is not very clear. Will the wiki be about all Twitch creators or just popular ones? Will it chronicle unpopular/hated creators? If yes, will it violate the Content Policy, or will it establish rules to delete everything policy-violating? [23:57:35] [4/7] Recently, Fandom has been closing innocent wikis for no reason and not allowing them to fork, so we'd like to host our wiki on Miraheze to be able to customize skins and develop javascript and stuff. We'd like this wiki to document an MMO game and we have backing from the developers of it if that matters. - ❌ This request uses details about Fandom, the developers, and Javascrip [23:57:36] [5/7] t as filler. The actual content is "We'd like this wiki to document an MMO game", where the MMO game is unspecified. [23:57:36] [6/7] A wiki for my imaginary world. - ❌ Though imaginary world wikis generally have a short description, this request is completely unclear and it is also less than 350 characters, which is the required length for a wiki request. [23:57:37] [7/7] I want a wiki. - ❌ This request has absolutely no details about the wiki itself, and thus has no chance of being accepted. Stating that you want a wiki and nothing else doesn't mean that you will get one.