[00:46:01] Hello Guest35! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [12:25:15] Hello k6ka2! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [12:27:22] .op [12:27:22] Attempting to OP... [12:27:50] .op [12:27:50] Attempting to OP... [12:28:31] Looks like Libera is still having trouble with gateway hostmasks as I'm pretty sure ^ is what IRCCloud uses, as something similar happened to Reception123, I think? [12:28:39] .deop [12:28:39] Attempting to OP... [12:30:27] Hi dmehus, the cute [12:35:08] I started to edit some non-miraheze wikis, and I noticed that when I preview the page I'm editing, it doesn't automatically scroll to the bottom. Why does this happen here? [12:36:38] @Lake, how do you mean? I'm not sure I get that [12:37:28] when editing a page and click on preview, after the page fully loads, it "jumps" to the editor automatically [12:37:41] (and the editor scroll returns to the top) [12:38:43] @Lake, with VisualEditor or WikiEditor? [12:38:53] WikiEditor [12:38:56] oh [12:39:19] I don't use WikiEditor, but I can try it on a wiki that doesn't have VE enabled [12:39:42] I thought you always used WikiEditor, lol [12:42:57] @Lake, nope, I always use VisualEditor source editing mode (2010 source editor, I believe it's tagged as). I don't use VisualEditor's visual editing mode, however [12:43:43] 🤔 [12:43:46] It's also really nice for creating TemplateData documentation for templates, too [12:45:03] hmmm could you take a screenshot of this? I think I never used it, lol [12:45:12] I don't even remember VE had a source editor [13:24:17] dmehus check my phab post [14:18:43] Hello Guest5140! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [14:35:17] k6ka2, Eggnog: which client are you using k6ka2 earlier and the guest that got kicked? [14:35:37] .op [14:35:38] Attempting to OP... [14:36:19] I'm the one who got kicked (it's my xShellz hosted ZNC bouncer) [14:37:11] k6ka2: who runs it? [14:37:21] Oh xShellz [14:37:24] I should read [14:37:33] xShellz hosts the box, but I run the ZNC instance myself. [14:38:18] Okay [14:38:22] I'll whitelist it [14:40:04] dmehus: https://github.com/MirahezeBots/AntiSpamSopel/pull/16 [14:40:55] k6ka2: libera don't set gateway cloaks so MirahezeBot will get grumpy if the IP changes [14:42:38] My bouncer got disconnected, and because I don't trust xShellz's security, I don't save my NickServ password onto ZNC, so it reconnects without identifying to services, which is why it shows the bare IP. [14:43:18] dmehus, please check my Phab task [14:43:53] Ah! [15:00:51] RhinosF1, okay, looking [15:01:20] * dmehus should look into what xShellz and ZNC are [15:03:17] RhinosF1, commit looks good to me, but why'd you reban the IP then? I mean, if it's whitelisted, the ban is moot. Or, rather, the ban counteracts the whitelist, rendering the whitelist moot [15:05:47] dmehus: I removed the ban [15:06:02] I'll merge the whitelist when at PC [15:09:40] RhinosF1, oh, I must've misread then [15:09:47] will ask in -ops [15:32:58] dmehus Hi [15:41:03] TheBurningPrincess, looking at your task now [15:56:46] oh wow, and sure I can do a screenshot later [16:00:40] dmehus, I think it would be best to self host it [16:01:00] dmehus. replied on the task [16:03:58] I mean, we can and do host copyrighted wikis, but in your case, I think it's a bit complicated since you're not actually writing the content. It's just a matter of getting the specific license right [16:05:01] Oh ok, I never made a agreement about it in writing to the writers [16:05:28] Oh okay, that should be helpful then too [16:06:22] I mean, I won't mind self hosting [16:08:15] yeah, you do already for another worldbuilding wiki, don't you? [16:08:39] I did, but I had problems [16:09:19] ah, so this is a recreation then. You have this wiki plus quarynesswiki, I think, right? [16:09:28] I probably got the spelling wrong on that one 😄 [16:10:29] Yes [16:11:22] @Doug Yes, I have this and the other wiki [16:11:46] I do need a swift choice made [16:11:56] okay [16:12:07] As I loose money as long as the server is up [16:13:38] @Doug I will be wiling to DM the wiki to myou once set up ifg you like to beta test it [16:14:17] I mean, how so? Aren't you losing money by virtue of paying writers? Why is paying for a VPS a negative expense and paying writers is not? [16:15:29] Well, as long as the miraheze wiki is up, the server is doing nothing] [16:15:37] Unless you wanna share that is [16:16:03] oh, I see what you mean, then yeah [16:16:21] I have already set up a ssh key and stu8ff [16:16:39] Hi, can i ask a doubt about Special:Search or is the channel busy? [16:16:52] sure, what's the question? [16:17:32] i want to make something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:In_title I copied the code, and when testing it, the Special:Search finds nothing. i think it doesn't recognize: intitle:"name" [16:17:32] [WIKIPEDIA] Template:In title | "All pages with titles containing In title" [16:18:00] in my wiki tuscriaturas. in wikipedia it works [16:18:37] How do you mean, do you mean searching for in title in Special:Search, or do you mean using the template to search for a given word? [16:19:08] if the latter, I'm not sure that's possible, unless maybe transclusion of Special:Search is possible? @Lake any ideas? [16:19:11] When clicking on the given link to search for the term, the search function finds nothing [16:19:52] for example this link: https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/w/index.php?sort=relevance&search=intitle%3Aa&title=Especial%3ABuscar&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1 [16:19:53] [ Resultados de la búsqueda de «intitle:a» - Bestiario del Hypogripho ] - tuscriaturas.miraheze.org [16:19:57] hrm strange. It should, as I just searched nonciclopediawiki for instances of lezzo and lezzi on a given page and it found several instances [16:20:23] is looking [16:20:54] Is working on your side? Then is something with my user? [16:22:38] @paladox, @Reception123, and @JohnLewis, for good measure, I'm wondering if this could related to the wiki being a non-English wiki? Perhaps our configuration for Special:Search for non-English wikis is off? On the other hand, I did just use it on an Italian wiki. Maybe the search query, a, is too large to search? Or maybe there's something else @Avengium [tuscriaturas] needs to set in ManageWiki/settings? [16:23:05] Not working for me, but works on other wikis. Suspect likely a configuration issue on your wiki [16:23:55] @Doug Please make a swift choice for my pahb ticket [16:24:36] I'll look at it later today. It's not terribly urgent, tbh [16:24:39] Yeah search is weird but comparing to Wikipedia isn't great as they have CirrusSearch which we unfortunately can't install currently do to resources [16:24:52] no not that [16:25:00] It works on nonciclopediawiki [16:25:05] oh, just searching a does? [16:25:10] not sure [16:25:14] about that [16:25:16] If I have a million £ I would let you have some servers [16:25:21] but searching for lezzo does [16:25:38] well yes the problem may be that there's only one character, but not sure [16:25:51] ah ok, that possibility yeah [16:26:04] We could try looking for a on Meta [16:26:12] but that's also an English wiki [16:26:21] so maybe better to find a non-English wiki [16:26:24] Ponder, ponder decided servers [16:26:38] Dedicated servers? [16:26:40] Yes [16:26:43] ah [16:26:53] yeah, those used to be the thing before the cloud 😄 [16:26:53] Might help you have more space/reseroces [16:27:06] Doesn't work on Meta either [16:27:21] ah, so maybe it's that [16:27:24] Pretty sure RamNode, Henzer and Ovh offer decaded servers [16:27:31] so I wouldn't think it's a language issue, rather a search (or lack of CirrusSearch) one [16:27:42] Yeah, Miraheze used to use RamNode [16:27:48] @Avengium [tuscriaturas] It seems to be an issue with searching for a single character [16:27:50] This search is "drag", four letters. https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/w/index.php?sort=relevance&search=intitle%3Adrag&title=Especial%3ABuscar&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1 [16:27:51] [ Resultados de la búsqueda de «intitle:drag» - Bestiario del Hypogripho ] - tuscriaturas.miraheze.org [16:27:58] but why would you want to search for one letter? [16:28:02] If I was in charge of Miraheze, I would probly half the "delete after 6 months" time to 3 months [16:28:19] @Reception123 Why did Miraheze move to OVH? [16:28:55] i don't want to search for one character only, i want to use Template:InTitle in disambiguation pages. But the InTitle doesn't work. I already tried with different lengths [16:29:45] @Doug: what exactly is the issue? [16:30:01] Reception123: Technically CirrusSearch is now possible [16:30:26] @JohnLewis, oh, do we have the resources for it? [16:30:49] Well we have an ElasticSearch install handling a lot of data and a high throughput [16:31:17] Will my self hosted wiki be fine without ssl? [16:31:20] JohnLewis, ah, true, right we're using ElasticSearch for what, graylog? [16:31:58] JohnLewis: I assume graylog? [16:32:09] Would we want dedicated es dbs or just on anything [16:32:12] Not completely sure, RhinosF1. Try searching for a on Avengium's wiki [16:32:27] I can't get intitle but normal search seems ok [16:32:28] Yes, it's a requirement for graylog [16:32:42] ah [16:32:57] I think decicaded would be good for dbs if it had a big hdd/ssd disk space [16:33:22] JohnLewis, ah thanks (not sure if you were replying to RhinosF1 or me, but possibly both) [16:33:51] JohnLewis: what would you think is best to setup though? Dedicated Es infra or [16:34:23] Best setup would be dedicated, including graylog's ES backend [16:34:29] I personly think deadacad would be a good idea if you outgrey the vps [16:34:34] * RhinosF1 will be doing the capacity plan soon - hopefully based on what I'm hearing we can do it mid-late June - probably after reception is back from their break [16:34:45] Well, the biggest VPS [16:34:47] JohnLewis: sounds good. [16:35:07] Great [16:35:11] If someone wants to remind me of the last time we declined it then I can reopen [16:35:31] Doug, the Inactive Rights Removal - 2021-05-23 on PublicTestWiki is monthly? [16:35:46] I used to do every 3 weeks [16:36:39] i barely use the test wiki [16:36:55] You need 1 edit/log every 3 months [16:38:58] The policy was tightened in April 2020 [16:40:09] what RhinosF1 said. 1 edit or logged action every three months, unless your last edit was deleted, the script doesn't tell deleted contributions [16:40:26] and if that's the case, then we'd need @Void to see about updating his script 😄 [16:41:04] Command sent from Discord by Doug: [16:41:04] .mhca Avengium [16:41:04] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Avengium [16:43:14] Interesting, yeah we'll definitely look at the capacity proposal and Semantic MW during the summer [16:43:42] @Avengium [tuscriaturas] Yeah, your last edit was last month, [[mh:test:Avengium test page]]. If you restore that page and move it without leaving a redirect to [[mh:test:User:Avengium/Avengium test page]], then it shouldn't be deleted and you'll count as being active again [16:43:42] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/test:Avengium_test_page https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/test:User:Avengium/Avengium_test_page [16:43:43]

https://test.miraheze.org/wiki/Avengium_test_page https://test.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Avengium/Avengium_test_page [16:43:44] [ Avengium test page - TestWiki ] - test.miraheze.org [16:43:45] [ User:Avengium/Avengium test page - TestWiki ] - test.miraheze.org [16:43:46] I made one edit in the last month [16:44:00] yeah, see https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/435711390544560128/846065868608765982 [16:44:00] [ Discord ] - discord.com [16:44:12] Reception123: my plan was post 1.36/bullseye [16:44:19] And 1.36 is target now [16:44:26] Bullseye is target June [16:44:35] @Doug Wouild you be willing to set up ssl for me? [16:44:44] Oh, moving the page to my user. [16:44:53] Use lets encrypt [16:45:06] I was unable to do it without breaking my wiki [16:45:21] I messed up somewhere and made it unable to edit pages [16:45:48] RhinosF1, I mean MW 1.36 won't be deployed till early June, so realistically, likely looking at end of June / early July for MW 1.36 and Debian Bullseye 🙂 [16:46:08] I'm pretty busy. Can't make any promises at the moment [16:46:09] MW 1.36 could be deployed next week, at least if we're to listen to what the WMF says / the blocker workboard [16:46:42] Reception123, I'd rather not. You told me we'd wait for the stable release, not a release candidate [16:47:23] But next week will be June I guess, yeah [16:47:32] @Doug ah maybe there's a bit of confusion - I mean MW 1.36 stable could come out next week [16:47:56] Reception123, oh yeah definitely, yeah I guess I misunderstood 😄 [16:48:05] but yes definitely I'd say around a week (give or take) could be reasonable for testing and planning the upgrade [16:48:13] depends on how many issues there are [16:48:15] though I'd still want to test the stable version on test3wiki for at least a week before deploying on production [16:48:36] Reception123, heh same thing again 😄 [16:49:00] Reception123: the blockers board is a magic 8 ball [16:49:29] well I've been here for almost 6 years and my rule is never trust the date that the WMF gives when it comes to upgrades [16:49:31] All it takes is someone to have a quiet testing and it can get ten times the size [16:49:51] 🦏 🚗 (RhinosF1), 😄 [16:50:06] WMF releases spend more time blocked than unblocked [16:50:14] sometimes a miracle can happen but usually it's at least the month after they say it would be [16:50:30] This time I wouldn't mind that tbh as it gives us time to prepare and test [16:50:31] Reception123, true (re: WMF's release dates :D) [16:50:38] 🔥 👸 @Doug [16:51:04] heh good one, BP1, I like your emojis 😄 [16:51:17] 🟩 🐷 (dmehus) [16:51:21] Reception123: my plan of being read this year went to pot [16:51:27] Ready* [16:51:56] I mean it's not terrible if we can get it on test3 tomorrow [16:52:09] No [16:52:24] the issue is how many internal errors/exceptions we'll discover [16:53:05] Fun thing is after next week our entire team is off [16:53:12] You're on holiday aren't you at some point [16:53:17] UO is away from Tuesday [16:53:28] And I've given up even looking at my calendar for June [16:53:47] I'm taking June as it comes [16:54:30] I think the best idea woulod be to pay for a dormian (I doin't trust cheap tk ones) and use cloudflare [17:00:47] Reception123: is it deployed on test3? [17:01:04] paladox: not yet, the plan is to do that tomorrow [17:01:10] Ok [17:15:21] Crepusculum: while drafting the ManageWiki/setting page, I noticed the Disqus Shortname (on Restricted tab) is spelled $egDisqusShortname [17:15:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/846073950084530186/unknown.png [18:15:16] dmehus Please check my pahb task [18:34:30] @Lake: that's correct. That's the config name. [18:35:15] jess: one of my nutty colleagues forgot what network they were on and dropped #miraheze-bot-alerts and #miraheze-botlogs by accident [18:35:26] oh? Huh, weird. Never seen a eg before [18:35:32] Can you op me in there to fix [19:12:26] how do i properly install VisualEditor? [19:12:43] cant edit pages after i enabled it [19:29:15] You need to go through Special:ManageWiki/namespaces to enable it for the namespace you want it in [19:29:19] *on [19:29:31] @Flusacka [19:33:49] Would a scraper that auto makes pages from a MUD's help files be allowed? [19:40:49] @paladox can you please go more in-depth? im completely new to mediawiki [19:43:24] oh nvm i think i figured it out [19:45:29] now it works [19:45:31] thanks [21:09:09] Crepusculum: I just wanted to bug you about a #miraheze-* channel for a wiki if you don't mind? What process would I need to follow to do that? [21:10:55] Pokey: anyone can currently register channels [21:11:08] in your namespace? [21:11:18] Yep [21:11:37] How do you hguys deal with channel ownership against your libera project? [21:11:37] As long as it's Miraheze related it should be fine [21:11:49] We are properly registered [21:12:07] Indeed but I'd have to get you to register the channel, no [21:12:10] no?* [21:12:22] It should be unlocked for anyone now [21:12:31] Oh they did that did they? Nice! [21:12:33] It was locked at first while we got set up [21:12:45] But everything is in place now [21:13:00] Amazing, thanks, I shall register a channel now [21:13:23] Let me know which because I'm nosey and like to hang round in lots of channels [21:17:33] #miraheze-buffalonas [21:17:46] Can I ask which Discord bot you use for your bridge please? [21:18:25] I just asked you in your channel if you wanted it [21:58:14] * RhinosF1 thanks dmehus for sorting the old template links out [23:58:17] No problem, RhinosF1. Crepusculum also helped a lot, too [23:59:12] Pokey, for the Discord relay, it's called "reactiflux" is where we get our source code, and host it at https://github.com/MirahezeBot [23:59:13] [ MirahezeBot · GitHub ] - github.com