[00:20:38] I may not know you Paladox or the reasons for you resigning (other than the pastebin), but I wish you the best of luck in all future endeavors nonetheless. [00:39:02] Hello Guest55! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [00:42:24] Hello Hypercane! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [01:11:00] Paladox, isn't MacFan4000 a system administrator too? [01:11:11] no. [01:19:56] Oh. I thought he was. [01:25:19] Seeing as Voidwalker is stepping up and there’s discussions regarding leadership I’ve decided to stay [01:57:50] 👍 [03:46:27] I see that solara.miraheze.org correctly redirects to spcodex.wiki, however links to wiki pages like https://solara.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page do not redirect, and what's worse, get crawled by search engines. Is there a way to fix this? [04:11:49] musikanimal, I believe only `.miraheze.org/wiki/` redirects, whereas `.miraheze.org/wiki/` will return a duplicate form of access. Naleksuh actually pointed that out to me awhile ago, as I thought all would redirect [04:12:08] As to a potential fix, I'm not aware of anything. It might be possible, but not likely an easy fix [13:45:33] * Hispano76 greetings [14:00:08] rip [14:00:43] Southparkfan can you make me a timeline please [14:06:33] on phab* [14:09:21] Or Reception|away if you're there [15:00:56] It's sad to see that John has resigned as a Steward. [15:01:33] John has resigned? that's sad [15:01:42] Sadly yes. [15:03:10] Now there's only 3 Stewards at this time: @Void, @Doug, and NDKilla. [15:05:52] Yes, the message on my user page outlines the main reasons for my resignation [15:06:18] I'm sorry to see you resign from your position, considering you're the co-founder of Miraheze. 😦 [15:07:11] And thanks for your service as well. [15:08:08] Yep, as noted in my resignation note, I don't feel the project is the project I co-founded. The one I founded was community-centric, this one is the opposite where when the community are asked to be consulted, those asking are told to be creating a toxic environment [15:09:42] We're losing a lot of volunteers this year, aren't we? [15:10:25] Indeed, which is the problem itself - volunteers aren't being replaced because they're deemed expendable so there is little effort being put into recruitment and retention. [15:13:34] This leaves to only 3 Stewards now, due to your resignation. [15:27:07] to be fair, my activity wasn't great as a Steward eitherway [15:27:58] So I guess you'll be sitting behind the sidelines now? [15:29:36] Oh hey John [15:32:50] My plan currently would be to sit so far behind the sidelines I'm invisible probably [15:33:24] sit out back on a sunlounger [15:34:14] ^^ this, be more comfortable than grass or concrete [15:41:58] Heh [15:50:50] If Miraheze dies... where do I go? [15:51:25] My ownly choices is figring out wiki farms on my own server,l having 2 servers or going back to Shoutwiki [16:02:44] I can assure you Miraheze is NOT going to die anytime soon. [16:03:21] Okay.. 😦 [16:03:38] Will it end up half dead like shoutwiki? [16:03:58] Ehhh, I wouldn't be too sure of it being half-dead. [16:04:44] it's not going to [16:16:07] I hope it doesnt die :( [16:16:42] It won't. [16:40:58] Said by someone who is just a "Verified wiki user" 😛 [16:41:04] But I hope it doesn't die as well. [16:41:20] SRE's need to listen to the board and community, the point of Miraheze was to be community centric [16:42:03] Exactly. Hopefully this won't pan out like the attempted takeover of Miraheze back in 2017. [16:43:07] I haven't been here at that time, what happened? [16:44:50] I also wasn't on Miraheze in 2017, but I've heard that there was this user who got a community ban mainly for their disruptive attitude, but won't go into detail. [16:57:10] Who are you on about? [16:58:39] There was something like that, but nothing that neared the point of an attempted takeover. Just a hostile user behaving in a hostile manner. [16:59:34] @RhinosF1 I'll give you a hint: This user's first part of the name starts with an L and ends with an E, and the last part starts with a "P" and ends with an "S". L - P [17:00:11] That wasn't a takeover by any definition of the word [17:01:25] Hmmmm, well, what I meant was that this user tried to request extension that either bypasses Miraheze's security, or is just utterly useless, and (some of you guys know the rest, unless you guys have no recollection of it.) [17:01:25] Lawrence??? [17:01:39] Give up? Lawrence-Prairies. [17:02:59] Then again, it was 4 years ago, so I won't say much. [17:10:26] Hello Guest25! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [17:11:50] Hello, I need help with the migration of my wiki. I asked via phabricator but I am getting no answers [17:20:27] Bukkit: can you message me your ip? [17:22:36] JohnLewis: I do not know if you are still there but I would just like to thank you very much for founding this project and all the effort you have put to make it better. Miraheze has really helped me a lot. It has been a great service until recently, one I have felt safe to host my wikis on... I will always be grateful to you... [17:23:21] It breaks my heart to see that all of it is falling apart now... [17:24:30] RhinosF1, how do I find my IP? [17:25:12] Bukkit: just search "what is my IP" on google [17:26:01] :Done: [17:29:08] hello I opened this: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T7471 [17:31:57] Have you tried to use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSEO ? [17:40:47] Can somebody take a look at https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T7278 [17:42:19] Guest25: we can do LE certs [17:42:39] What do you need? [17:42:54] to get them [17:45:48] R4356th: thank you for that, it saddens me too. Orain fell on similar grounds, it’s a shame Miraheze was doomed to repeat history even though it was proud to state it learned from all previous occurrences. [17:47:39] Guest25: we'll do it once the domain is pointed at us [17:49:00] JohnLewis: Thanks for all the great work you put in. I'm saddened to see all these resignations. [17:49:19] I might have to self host my wiki [17:49:44] hopefully not [17:50:02] I might make a shoutwiki acct just in case [17:50:10] I'm going to try my best to make sure that's not necessary [17:50:32] At that point, shouldn't we be appointing new Stewards since there's only 3 of them now? [17:50:45] I'm pretty optimistic here [17:50:53] What's the best way to point the domain to you? A CNAME? [17:51:02] Hm A records? [17:51:41] Which ones are you implying to? [17:52:25] in regards to all the concerns about miraheze [17:52:39] JohnLewis: I also want to say it's very sad to see you go, but at this point I completely understand the need to. And thank you Voidwalker for trying, but what can be done at this point? Things are falling apart. I don't want to see us fall apart but it's happening worse then ever, I know you can and I want to see change, I have faith in that you will at least try, but I can't believe in change until there actually is change, [17:52:39] unfortunately that's the way it is. [17:53:07] I mean, we do need more Stewards to fill in the gap. [17:53:24] Will miraheze go the way of Orian and MWZip? 😢 [17:54:02] The best likelihood of change will be supporting Reception123 in the interim role - he has my full support and I wish I had known this was the case much earlier - and I wish this change had happened at the beginning of 2021, rather than half day through it. [17:54:21] Let's see what @Void has to say about it, since he's more experienced like John is. [17:55:00] JohnLewis: thank you for the kind words :) I am definitely very sorry that this had to end this way. [17:55:14] In-between onboarding stuff, I've been working on a public document for changes to SRE processes, policies, and whatever else that the community and SRE members (past and present) would like to see changed [17:56:09] JohnLewis: 100% agree, I wish we all new that sooner. I have faith that he will do great and we will have change. But again I can't truly believe we will until we do. [17:56:19] Guest25, yeah, a CNAME to mw-lb.miraheze.org is the recommended way to do it [17:56:42] it will need a phab ticket, and see also https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains [17:56:47] ⬛ 🚶‍♂️ I bet can really help [17:57:15] And about the XML export, is there a recommended way to do it? [17:57:55] And R 1️⃣ 2️⃣ 3️⃣ - I have fiath in you8 [17:57:56] Just the dumpBackup script [17:58:30] OK. I am reading about a crisis in Miraheze? How bad is it? [17:58:52] I can't say because it's developing [17:58:58] I hope not very [17:59:39] There are at lest two paths for Miraheze I see - it overcomes this crisis and chuggs on and it falls apart and goes the way og MWzip [18:01:45] Hope you do well [18:03:34] I hope your strategy works @Void [18:04:56] At least the sky isn't falling. But if it does, I'm sure we'll be well notified, lol. [18:06:07] But at least things seem to be at least partly back on track, with a lot of work ahead to keep it that way. [18:06:07] There are clearly many things that we need to do better. I sincerely hope we will manage to improve and overcome this current (volunteer) crisis [18:07:42] I have faith in that you will overcome it. [18:08:40] Command sent from Discord by TheBurningPrincess [Taerel]: [18:08:41] .. draw the Death card, harbringer of change [18:23:20] Like maybe me volunteering a bit more like I am doing now, perhaps? [18:43:42] Early stages RfC, just want to gather community comments in a centralized location: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Void/SRE/RfC [18:47:46] See also https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_noticeboard#Future_of_SRE [18:56:29] Oh, could probably update the wmbot link to https://wm-bot.wmcloud.org/browser/index.php?display=%23miraheze [18:56:43] but I've got to step away for a bit today, got stuff to do IRL [19:27:15] Alright, do what you have to do. [19:59:00] If I was a global sysop right now, I would be more helpful in clearly fighting off spam-bots, vandalism (along with vandalism-only accounts), sockpuppetry (via clear evidence), and also help resolve whatever issues people seem to be having at any given point of time. [20:18:44] is it possible to opt out of TOR block for one or few pages? I see and accept the logic behind it, but my wiki is about privacy and advocates TOR use and completely blocking TOR (even to just ask questions on few specific talk pages) seems... counterintuitive. it seems like something like that should be manageable with moderation extension no matter how ferocious TOR vandalism is [20:20:36] you can't disable tor blocks for anonymous users (or individual pages for that matter), but people with accounts bypass the block by default, they just need to create their account without a proxy [20:20:57] ^ [20:21:13] torunblocked should be given to user by default [20:21:48] it's not available for * because if one wiki lets you create an account via tor, then people can get a global account that way [20:25:02] yeah, I understand all that, it makes perfect sense, but it makes my wiki look a bit... hypocritical when it bans all TOR traffic. [20:25:51] id there any reason why I shouldn't encourage users to make throwaway accounts off TOR? would duplicate or single use global accounts be frowned upon? [20:27:04] they can make accounts or anyone can for them [20:27:40] if you know their email you can go via Special:CreateAccount [20:32:14] ok, ty. this probably won't be relevant anytime soon, I'm just trying to plan out how to structure things. I'll probably just guide users who want to post a question anonymously to create accounts. [21:08:49] twentyonex, keep in mind [[user accounts policy]], too, so in such a scenario, you would do well to explain what this means in practical terms for your users by explaining user accounts policy to rhem [21:08:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/user_accounts_policy [21:10:07] dmehus: I'll keep it in mind. [21:11:07] twentyonex, 👍 [22:21:37] What is the point of using TOR? [22:21:55] I never really got it