[03:21:20] anyone saw dmehus today? [05:00:36] Hello asheesh__! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [08:18:38] Morning [08:35:05] Morning RhinosF1! [08:43:47] > I just want a $wgWikiSeoDisableLogoFallbackImage = true added to mine @Vacatio Already available from Special:ManageWiki/settings. [10:21:50] Hi, @Reception123 and @RhinosF1 , i have a main wiki for content [tuscriaturas] and a wiki for files that is centralized [intercriaturas]. My request is that i want the Global file usage in [intercriaturas]. Currently in [intercriaturas] the file usage is only the local usage, but i want that when i check a file in [intercriaturas], i can see if its being used in [tuscriaturas] or not. Example: This file is used in [10:21:51] tuscriaturas: https://intercriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Archivo:Backrooms_1.jpg But the section for file usage is empty. Proof of the file being used: https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Backrooms [10:21:52] [url] Archivo:Backrooms 1.jpg - InterCriaturas | intercriaturas.miraheze.org [10:21:53] [url] Backrooms - Bestiario del Hypogripho | tuscriaturas.miraheze.org [10:23:22] Tuscriaturaswiki use the local copy or transcluded copy https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Archivo:Backrooms_1.jpg instead of using directly the file in intercriaturas. maybe that's the trick? [10:23:23] [url] Archivo:Backrooms 1.jpg - Bestiario del Hypogripho | tuscriaturas.miraheze.org [10:35:12] GlobalUsage should be installed on all public wikis [10:51:53] Wow [10:54:58] Is my same question of yesterday, sorry for the duplicated reporting [11:13:28] Hi, Rhinos. I am going to check on Special:Version [11:16:06] yes, global usage is installed in both intercriaturas and tuscriaturas, but the description page of the file is not showing global usage. You can see that is installed here: https://intercriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:Versi%C3%B3n [11:16:08] [url] Versión - InterCriaturas | intercriaturas.miraheze.org [11:16:26] Config might need tweaking for additional foriegn Repos [11:16:46] Probably best a task and hoping this Amazon delivery turns up with laptop cable [11:17:23] Amazon delivery? What that means? Amazon is related with the global usage [11:19:12] No but I can't use my laptop until they deliver my parcel [11:19:18] So fixing weird stuff is a pain [11:23:28] ok, then don't worry. We can wait until your liaptop arrives. [11:24:32] with "task" do you mean that we could fill a Phabricator task explaining the global usage is not showing in the wiki? [11:31:16] or what do you mean with task? [11:32:07] Yes phab task [11:52:24] Done, the task is https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T7620 [11:52:25] [url] ⚓ T7620 Global usage is not working on intercriaturaswiki | phabricator.miraheze.org [12:39:12] Ty [14:49:09] You pinged the wrong guy. I think you meant to notify VFDaniel [15:19:47] Yeah, that was a mistake. 🙂 [15:44:28] Hello dmehus|away! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [16:39:14] Ahhh sorry.... @VFDan [16:39:34] It's cool [17:03:27] pretty sure it isn't? [17:03:51] *VFDan [17:05:36] It is. It is there as long as you have the WikiSeo extension enabled. [17:09:19] It is, go to Special:ManageWiki/settings -> SEO -> Disable Logo Fallback Image (WikiSEO) ($wgWikiSeoDisableLogoFallbackImage) (10th option) [17:09:19] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/863829315664478208/Screenshot_20210711-120905491_1.jpg [17:40:24] oh [19:17:08] I said this earlier, lol [19:17:54] Guess they didn't see it heh [19:18:48] Yeah [19:28:21] @Agent seen revert [19:29:08] RhinosF1: noted, thank you, they added a profane comment to the talk page [19:32:10] @Agent now they get a block [19:32:13] dmehus: mind CU [19:33:03] Reception123: lock? [19:52:14] @dmehus you there? [19:52:33] he appears to be [19:53:51] @Stewards Anyone available? [19:54:03] It’s urget [19:54:08] Urgen* [19:54:10] urgent* [19:56:09] hm? [19:56:12] I don't understand what I'm needed for [19:57:02] if it was Teles dmehus has handled it [19:58:23] not teles [19:59:15] Reception123: yes he has [20:02:14] around [20:02:33] Void, can you check DMs? [20:08:55] <Смердокрыл> Is it possible to download my wiki, work on it locally, and then upload back to miraheze? [20:09:45] You can export a dump of your wiki I think [20:10:09] <Смердокрыл> Yes, I've seen that, but what about importing? [20:10:37] Hrm [20:10:57] Special:Import [20:11:11] for XML dumps [20:11:25] For images, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:ImportImages.php should help [20:11:26] [url] Manual:importImages.php - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org [20:12:23] MediaWiki documentations/guides should be your friend for these things [20:12:39] Yeah [20:13:02] <Смердокрыл> Admittedly I'm having a hard time with the instructions on the mediawiki wiki [20:13:27] It should be the easiest though [20:13:53] For things that are like thing.php, you use it in Shell I think. [20:15:30] You can use Special:DataDump to download your entire wiki and then Special:Import to import it [20:15:34] It's pretty straightforward [20:15:53] If you need any clarification, tell us about what confuses you [20:15:57] <Смердокрыл> Oh, cool. Thanks! [20:16:17] migrating outta fandom? [20:17:24] <Смердокрыл> No, I've never worked on a wiki before. Always felt a great repulsion towards fandom though, for some reasons [20:17:38] understandable [20:18:30] я тоже медиавики сразу не понимаю лол [20:20:05] <Смердокрыл> My problem with the mediawiki wiki is that it doesn't seem to help me understand the structure of things - the stack, the pecking order, the layers, etc. Everything seems kinda all over the place, like plum pudding rather than nuclear [20:21:15] Lol [20:21:20] <Смердокрыл> And the 'everything is a page' format doesn't help [20:22:44] I'd recommend that you specifically ask for help here, or the #general channel in the area that you find difficult to get. Volunteers are always available to help and we'll all be happy😊 [20:24:07] <Смердокрыл> You might regret saying that, but thanks for the offer [20:25:49] Not sure about the regret stuff, lol. You can't be too confused that I'll regret 😂. [20:26:17] #general and #miraheze-relay are synonymous, no? You can ask for help on both [20:26:31] <Смердокрыл> General doesn't seem to be irc-relayed [20:26:31] But whatever the case may be, we're always here to help [20:26:45] Yeah [20:27:29] Maybe I should say synonymous though [20:30:53] <Смердокрыл> So, first and foremost I'm interested in the 'looks'. So far I've gathered that there is something low-level called Common.css, there's various styles like Vector which have their own css, and also users can somehow have their own personal css [20:32:26] Yes you're correct from the second sentence. [20:32:53] So when you say looks, you mean the appearance of your wiki? [20:33:37] <Смердокрыл> Yes, exactly [20:34:19] Okay then, the general appearance of your wiki depends on the Skin you use for your wiki [20:34:40] <Смердокрыл> Is it possible to not use any skin? [20:34:46] No. [20:34:50] Nah. [20:35:15] I mean technically, Nostalgia is purely HTML afaik [20:35:28] The default skin is Vector, the one you're seeing, you can change it if you want to [20:35:33] <Смердокрыл> i.e. superior [20:35:56] Nostalgia is Wikipedias original skin, from the 2000s [20:36:00] so it's not very nice per se [20:36:06] <Смердокрыл> If there is always a skin, what does Common.css do? [20:36:17] It applies settings to ALL skins [20:36:29] Vector.css only applies settings to the Vector skin [20:36:47] <Смердокрыл> Wait, so Common.css is applied 'on top' of the skin? [20:36:50] Cosmos.css only applies settings to the Cosmos skin etc. [20:37:02] Yes [20:37:20] Actually, no, Vector.css is applied on top of Common.css [20:37:20] Exactly [20:37:23] Vector.css overrides it [20:37:26] I believe [20:37:34] ^ This [20:37:41] <Смердокрыл> Ah, so it's Common.css that is optional in the looks arrangement? [20:38:04] i would say depending of css weight otherwise, maybe because it is further in the order it may overwrite similar weight [20:38:55] common aplies to all skins, so if you dont want to allow users use multiple skins for your wiki, you could just use the skin .css [20:39:13] Yes I would say [20:39:19] yeah, you can disable all other skins which would render Common.css useless [20:39:24] well, just an asterisk [20:39:34] because mobilefrontend works so well (sarcasm mode) [20:39:45] common.css sometimes simply doesn't apply anything to minervaneue [20:39:57] (sitcom laugh track plays) [20:40:00] It surely doesn't [20:40:13] MobileFrontend ❤️ [20:40:57] mobilefrontend/minerva aside, there is no skin that looks okay on mobile? [20:40:57] <Смердокрыл> Oh, so the purpose of Common.css is to maintain features regardless of which skin the users choose? [20:41:02] yes [20:41:11] Exactly [20:41:25] There are some, like those based on Bootstrap I think [20:41:40] <Смердокрыл> But, it's possible to enforce one skin from the wiki end, right? [20:41:52] You can disable all skins except Vector [20:41:57] or whatever skin you want [20:42:10] I think the only best is what you just mentioned though. Others aren't really okay [20:42:13] <Смердокрыл> So the users can only select one of the skins you enable? [20:42:34] Yes [20:42:35] Yeah [20:42:50] from the top of my head, there's Medik, Timeless, Refreshed, Tweeki, Pivot, Foreground, HasSomeColours, Femiwiki, Citizen, Cosmos [20:42:55] <Смердокрыл> Great, this is very helpful [20:43:06] Monobook also has a mobile responsive option on the preferences menu (disabled by default) [20:43:36] <Смердокрыл> Is there a way to import a skin that's not on the list? [20:43:51] no, you have to request it on phabricator [20:43:55] [[phab]] [20:43:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab [20:43:56]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phab?action=edit&redlink=1 [20:43:58] [url] Phab - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:43:59] [url] Phab - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:44:00] But I sincerely think, Minerva is the best skin that looks okay on mobile [20:44:02] cosmos render to mobile format whenever i check my wiki on mobile, but there are still little mishaps [20:44:31] The only two mobile skin I like are Citizen and Minerva [20:44:31] <Смердокрыл> But when I select an existing skin, I can edit its css freely? [20:44:40] yes [20:44:57] there's no hardcoded css i don't know if that's even possible [20:45:43] everything can be changed well, almost, Recent Changes interface makes me angry w/ its default whiteness [20:45:45] If you find out a skin that is on mediawiki or GitHub that isn't installed in Miraheze, you can request it on Phabricator, if the skin passes the security review then the SRE will get it installed for you and the entire Miraheze wikis [20:46:15] but tbh, most of the skins I know are on Miraheze already [20:46:23] maintained skins, that is [20:46:29] Probably [20:46:36] Oh yeah. [20:46:51] Just in case he found one. [20:47:10] kinda disappointed that 2018 skin was declines [20:48:05] and I also like how Refreshed looks on mobile [20:48:06] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/863884373720039424/unknown.png [20:48:24] one cool thing is that I can select a different logo for smaller screens [20:48:37] so in this case I chose my wiki's icon instead of icon + wordmark [20:48:40] Wow [20:48:51] <Смердокрыл> Maintained? How would that work out if I edit the skin css on my wiki? [20:49:09] No, that's not what he meant [20:49:50] You know when a skin is maintained, it means the developers of that skin check and update the Skin generally. [20:50:03] So what you edit on your wiki cannot affect another wiki [20:50:21] <Смердокрыл> Yes, that's how I understood him [20:50:43] <Смердокрыл> I mean if I edit the skin css, how would the differences be resolved when merging with the developers' updates? [20:52:08] well, usually you will just see right away that your style on that specific thing is not working, but usually that happens only when the dev makes a huge change on the skin (uncommon) [20:52:57] Yeah [20:53:04] <Смердокрыл> So what's gonna happen when there is a skin update? Will it simply discard all of my changes, or rebase them onto the updated skin code? [20:53:33] @Lake we could make a redirect from Phab to Phabricator [20:54:02] it won't discard, just won't apply if any of the classes on HTML changes [20:54:12] Well for this I don't think it'll discard all your changes [20:54:18] i think there's one, but I don't remember how to do it, lol [20:54:42] (i mean, directly to phabricator's main page, instead of a task) [20:55:58] interwiki is phab: [20:56:16] <Смердокрыл> Do I understand correctly that Extensions->Skins are extra skin options on top of the basic 5 skins, and if I want to enforce one skin I have to add the others to $wgSkipSkins? [20:56:38] A redirect is make writing redirect but there is a button to write it too [20:57:51] extension -> skins is where you select the skins (enabling them as options for users) on ManageWiki/Settings you can make a specific skin the default and SkipSkins will make the selected skins not available for the user (on preferences) [20:58:32] I'm having issues understanding the purpose of ShortDescription. I was under the assumption that it would actually do something, but when trying to transclude it it's just searching Template:ShortDesc which I didn't make by hand. Am I missing something here? [20:58:53] I have Timeless as the default on tuscriaturas. What Skin do you use on Pokemundo? [20:59:01] <Смердокрыл> But extension->skins doesn't list vector, modern, etc. [20:59:40] yes, it's because these skins are enabled by default. You can still skipSkin them though [21:00:06] I use Refreshed :) Somewhat modified, but still [21:00:18] <Смердокрыл> I see, thanks [21:00:27] The purpose of ShortDescription is self explanatory because it give a short description about a particle page [21:01:39] I don't know Refreshed. Is new? [21:02:01] And you need a template called {{Short description}} that's adds the short description to the top of the page, it actually replaces the wiki's tagline for that article [21:02:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Short_description [21:02:01]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Short_description?action=edit&redlink=1 [21:02:03] [url] Template:Short description - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:02:04] [url] Short description - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:02:41] nope, it's been here for quite a while. I don't think it's very used [21:02:59] the only other wiki I know using it is Brickpedia on ShoutWiki [21:04:49] Okay, so that's I guess where the disconnect is. If I have to create the template, and there's no magic behind the scenes, is the only purpose of the short description module to auto replace the tag line? Otherwise it's identical to having the module off? [21:05:51] mw says it was indeed developed by brickmedia users [21:06:08] gives me "mobile design trend" vibes [21:06:15] I'd recommend you to import the template from Wikipedia using Special:Import [21:06:34] i don't think you have to create a template for short description [21:06:39] IMO refreshed skinn isn't my fav [21:06:58] it acts more or less like a parser function [21:07:34] The last time I tried using that parser function it didn't work so I don't really know if it works now. [21:08:01] Something like {{shortdesc:Short description here}} [21:08:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/shortdesc:Template:Short_description_here [21:08:01]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Shortdesc:Short_description_here?action=edit&redlink=1 [21:08:02] [url] Shortdesc:Template:Short description here - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:08:03] [url] Shortdesc:Short description here - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:08:21] Yeah I see in the package on the official repo there's supposed to be hooks to hijack those function calls. But I'm not having any luck without creating the template myself. [21:13:18] <Смердокрыл> Does each skin have exactly one css file, or are there many? [21:14:24] And what's the particularity of refreshed? What's a defining feature? [21:15:02] Each skin have their css [21:16:39] <Смердокрыл> Within one file, or can one skin have multiple? [21:16:59] it's only one, MediaWiki:skinName.css [21:17:01] One file [21:17:12] but you can technically make other css pages and use @import [21:17:22] <Смердокрыл> So, the looks of a wiki are controlled by two files: skinName.css + Common.css? [21:17:31] yes [21:17:35] Yeah [21:22:56] <Смердокрыл> Where, in my wiki, can I find a list of all MediaWiki:* files? Search doesn't seem to help [21:24:23] You mean Where you could find files on your wiki? [21:24:40] <Смердокрыл> I guess [21:25:12] Well files on your wiki should be in the File: namespace [21:25:21] <Смердокрыл> I found special: file list, but it doesn't seem to work the way I would expect [21:25:42] <Смердокрыл> I think it might be for user-uploaded files only [21:25:45] Yeah that special page list all the file uploaded to your wiki, locally [21:26:42] <Смердокрыл> What do you refer to as 'namespace'? [21:28:13] A namespace is a unique prefix that comes before a page name. Read more here [[mw:Manual: Namespaces]] [21:28:13] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:_Namespaces [21:28:14]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:_Namespaces [21:28:14] [url] Manual:Namespace - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org [21:28:15] [url] Manual:Namespace - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org [21:29:22] <Смердокрыл> Ah, so 'MediaWiki' is a namespace [21:29:36]