[12:40:36] @RhinosF1 is it possible the error fixes itself [12:48:51] Cocopuff2018: I was able to edit the page via VE, have you tried to clear your cookies/cache? [13:36:02] @Agent did you use new Vector or old [13:42:27] Cocopuff2018: Old Vector [14:01:43] @Agent on the walking dead page [14:02:52] Cocopuff2018: yeah, on the Walking Dead page [14:03:06] @Agent well it wont work on the new one or old for me [14:06:46] Cocopuff2018: I did get a timeout from the page the first time I loaded the page but clicking "Try again" after the error seemed to resolve it [14:06:54] but afterwards, it loaded fine [14:07:03] @Agent well when logged in to my account it didnt allow [14:08:05] Cocopuff2018: did you get an error code or just "Server did not respond in the expected time" [14:08:10] I got the latter error and clicking Try again fixed the issue [14:52:13] Cocopuff2018: it looks a very long page [14:52:33] Without looking at the parser report I wouldn't know how close to limits [14:52:44] But splitting it up is probably best [14:56:49] It's also a copyright violation [14:56:52] https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=The+Walking+Dead+%28TV+series%29&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmoviepedia.miraheze.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Walking_Dead_%28TV_series%29 [14:57:01] dmehus: ^ [14:57:46] [url] The Walking Dead (TV series) | Earwig's Copyvio Detector | copyvios.toolforge.org [14:59:48] I'm sure Doug will be online, given that he's on idle on here for now. [15:07:08] huh [15:09:46] reminds me of how projects in my uni (we were developing metal casting facilities) were put into "anti plagiarism" system, but it was dumb since all projects were written the same way simply because of their limited tech nature and all seemed to be the same [15:28:08] @RhinosF1 that is why i am trying to delete it so i can fix that [15:28:44] Cocopuff2018: you don't need to edit to delete [15:29:03] acually i can use Source delete the contents and then save [15:29:12] Special:PageDelete IIRC [15:29:22] that's blanking not deleting Cocopuff2018 [15:29:34] it needs removing from public view [15:29:42] ye, give me a sec [15:29:59] will i need to supress [15:30:04] no [15:30:16] just delete or can i just redo the page [15:30:16] normal admin delete is fine [15:30:22] fully delete it [15:30:28] done [15:30:44] and don't paste huge unattributed english wikipedia articles again [15:30:57] I wont, i been working on writing my own pages [15:31:06] good [15:36:26] thats why i been rewriting alot of pages i started a few months ago [15:42:50] @RhinosF1 if the copyright tool says the page most likely does not violate copyright then is the page fine? [15:48:32] it counts the infobox as copyright how we suppose to have infoboxes for television series if its copyright and their is not other information we can put for the infoboxes [15:53:36] Cocopuff2018: tools aren't perfect [15:53:59] but if i am using a infobox from wikipedia is it copyright [16:01:36] It's preferable for one's own understanding to do the job. An automatic flagger should not be trusted. The key is your understanding of what acceptable use entails. [16:01:56] If you're pulling from wikipedia I believe the minimum is accreditation. [16:03:23] so is using the same infobox data as wikipedia ok? [16:03:35] Given credit I think so [16:03:47] how [16:05:15] I'm far from any expert, but one could make a source notice at the bottom of the box that doesn't need to be long, just directly notes Wikipedia. If you were to build the box and use the same information though, it's probably public enough that you wouldn't need to. But again the how is the key, just duplicating wikipedia requires credit, at least convincingly looking like you arrived at the same conclusion can be presented as-is. [16:05:44] But if you're taking the infobox structure and all contents and making few to no changes I would consider something to note source, even if at the end of the day I doubt anyone would call it out either way [16:11:41] does the copyright tool still count credited stuff as copyright [16:17:18] not sure how or if it's particularly accurate tbh [16:17:35] well i am trying to lower the percentage to prevent copyright issues [16:19:12] but the cast list is similar their is no way to change a cast list bc its the same cast members [16:21:03] @RhinosF1 from your point of view is it best to shutdown moviepedia or redo it? or should it be fine [17:58:57] Cocopuff2018: not my call [17:59:10] dmehus would be best [17:59:19] Phantom873, Weremont: spooky [17:59:28] * Weremont growls [17:59:49] * Spookreeeno jumps out from behind a hedge [18:04:24] Boo [18:09:41] @raidarr have any examples of how i should Credit the templates [18:09:48] @Dmehus you avaliable we need to talk [18:33:19] Phantom873: boo [18:52:01] @Cocopuff2018, I would say to leave a little blurb at the bottom of the infobox or, now that I think of it, use a reference number (somehow applicable to the box instead of each individual fact, perhaps having it by the title or some such) that points to the wikipedia page. [19:18:58] @raidarr i could make a link on the bottom of the infobox to link to wikipedia [19:19:58] that you could [19:20:13] their is soo many to do [19:20:20] and i have soo little time [19:20:41] Part of why I'd rather see a wiki start with the structure it wants to run with rather than introduce deep elements long into its development >.> [19:22:22] Hey, try hand replaciing 500+ infoboxes by hand some day 🙂 [19:30:41] I would rather follow my point above on all days >.> [19:31:08] I did that once, was thr [19:32:07] 3-4 days to iron out a desired long-term formula than a recurring issue months, even years down the line. [19:32:57] If I could get a semi-ideal setup within 4-5 hours, even better so long as it does what I want it to fundamentally and won't expect to change the formula. [19:33:48] mhm [19:34:13] lol sorry for coming in here for no reason- [19:34:25] meh, that's what we're here for [19:34:35] quietly in, quietly out [19:35:33] I have not thgh of how my categories will work for now - either by era or by page type [19:35:59] Yeah, that's one thing I definitely want to have earlier than later even in outline [19:37:30] I really can't deicde [19:38:13] Nations could have one category or nation (age name) categories [20:50:59] the copyright tool still counts the contents as copyright and i legit am the one who gatherd them [20:52:04] Suffice to say the tool sounds a wee bonkers [20:52:25] meh i think it should only be used if the page is fully copyright [20:52:41] its really not accurate because cited contents are not miscounted