[02:42:23] Hello Khizar! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [02:46:49] I would recommending importing it from Wikipedia. It’s a pretty lengthy process if you want to do that. [02:50:10] Import from Wikipedia? [02:50:37] Like take the xml and import from there? [03:34:27] don't import from Wikipedia unless you know LUA [03:34:40] which exactly loop error? [05:41:11] > don't import from Wikipedia unless you know LUA [05:41:11] well said :) [05:41:35] Try and find an equivalent/comparable MediaWiki.org or Meta Wiki template...they're generally simpler [05:53:21] I tried to make a kind of a guide on table infoboxes on template.miraheze, but seems like people either ignore it or don't get it [07:55:32] I'd Advice no one to Import anything related to infoboxes from English Wikipedia, they're currently working on Infoboxes maintenance, So copying or importing the Infobox templates and modules right now might not help you at all. [08:16:27] Generally not using the bloated mess they have anyway would be nice [11:19:14] Template Wiki could be an interesting platform to try and make PortableInfobox systems and guides that pretty much do what everyone wants to do [11:22:58] what kind of maintenance tho? the rewrite code? [11:23:33] template wiki seens to be very obscure [11:25:00] It has significant potential, but it's pretty much just a 'dumb list' of stuff you could import as proofs of concept. More in the way of guides and 'framework' could help, and along with better promotion I think it would serve the community better. [11:25:27] As well as be a good opportunity to get over my own difficulties doing anything beyond basic 101 templates and cloning ones that were previously made. [11:26:49] it's pretty difficult to explain template coding in a simple way if person doesn't know html basics tho [11:29:40] You don't need too much in the way of html fundamentals I think [11:29:57] I mean more complicated templates [11:30:00] I'm going to take a stab at the topic on my personal wiki first, see if something vaguely coherent can't be made [11:30:24] More complicated yes, you need all sorts of understanding; but I believe to make an average use case wiki, you wouldn't need to have that knowledge [11:30:40] also a lot of people seem to disregard template documentations [11:31:06] Often, typically due to it being an extra step to configure and the creator already knowing how it works, therefore 'what's the need' [11:31:36] the problem is other editor don't know how to use it, even parameters [11:31:55] and I personally can't remember them all on my own templates [11:32:52] plus creator might leave wiki and leave all that behind, the next admin will have to take the support and you just end up trying to decode it [11:33:48] Indeed. It can be a right old mess. I know you're not terribly interested in them, but QP actually has a template disaster just like this with different types of templates to do the same job because different people set it up at different times. [11:35:20] plus someone else might want to import/copy template, and again - zero information [11:35:44] something I really disliked on fandom, hense why I always try to write all that [11:36:38] At least Fandom fundamentally attempts to offer a safety net of practices that make them somewhat consistent (ie, portableinfobox), while Miraheze is more prone to starting with even less and people trying to go for it. Or worse, going on a rampage trying to import wikipedia templates that they do not understand. [11:37:49] sad thing about Wikipedia template import os that they do have huge documentation but people simply don't read them, even don't try to understand them [11:40:20] PortableInfobox guide on fandom itself is pretty good, but I doubt copying it to Miraheze is acceptable [11:40:45] the extension page do have a link tho, but it feels kind of conflicting [11:41:27] Even if you try to read through the Wikipedia documentation, it can quickly become jargon to a new wiki creator who only came in interested in making an easy wiki. The required investment and additional knowledge to do templates on top of the regular software can be staggering to the new user. [11:42:03] I think it would be reasonable to essentially duplicate the function of the Fandom guide, rewriting it to fit Miraheze and crediting Fandom with the fundamental information and layout of the guide. [11:44:32] ah, there are differences too, I forgot [11:44:38] w/ classes [11:56:12] Giving people a primer on CSS and HTML as well would probably help with the fundamentals :p [11:56:40] I'd like to encourage giving templates dedicated IDs that can be styled in common.css [11:58:52] or go w/ TemplateStyles [11:59:19] what I like about TS is that you can apply it to any page actually [11:59:48] just have to convert corresponding styles page to css model [12:01:03] btw is it possible to add TS tag to special pages using js? say to Recent Changes? [12:09:15] Haven't used TS nearly as much as I should [12:09:33] tbh, trying to write template guides is a good way to learn exactly what I need to learn, which is quite a lot in practice [12:10:05] Why there are "Wanted templates" and not "Wanted help pages"? What is needed to make a list of redlinks on the "help" namespace? [12:11:06] Help pages strictly speaking are not embedded in the way that templates are [12:11:19] Help is quite dynamic to how you want to build that system for your wiki [12:11:56] Templates being a functional system built into MW is much easier to form an actual list with since there is behavior that's expected and you can find/invoke templates, while the help namespace is basically just pages from what I understand [12:13:21] It'll show up in wanted pages just like something like Template Talk:, so while it doesn't answer your question you can find them alphabetically sorted in the wanted pages area [12:15:12] I'm sure making a special page that sorts out wanted help pages is easy, but would probably require a phab task to actually build into your wiki [12:18:35] But pages that are on the Help namespace have all something in common. They all have the prefix "help:" [12:19:20] I would like that, yes [12:26:09] Thing is, it's 'just a namespace' - it doesn't have an extra functional use like Files, Categories, and so on that entail their own previously made pages, and you could make any namespace that works just like Help on your own. [12:26:28] And I don't have the know-how to make that sort of sorting special page, so if it'll actually happen I couldn't say. [12:27:19] It could be addressed if you had a category system and made the pages or shells of them, but I guess in this case you already have quite a few links and haven't externally organized them yourself or you probably wouldn't need that kind of special page. [12:30:51] Help namespace is often regarded as optional thing [12:33:04] Yes. I have a category for help pages [12:33:40] But redlinks of help pages doesn't exist as pages so i can't categorize them with "category" [12:40:16] The only reliable built-in method I could think of would be to quickly create shells based on the right area of Special:WantedPages, which will give you the red links, just not as cleanly as you'd like. [12:51:33] What do you mean with shells? [12:52:31] Another way to say 'stubs' that I probably should have said in the first place :p [14:52:38] But i want to list redlinks, not stubs [15:01:17] We're back to above I guess [19:10:03] Hello noobie! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [19:10:28] Hello [19:11:22] I would like to recommend a Minetest Server to a 10yo. Is it possible to join Tunnelers' Abyss? [19:13:51] Could you elaborate? [19:14:05] Sometimes when importing the latest templates from wikipedia, I come across this error: Unexpected property "params.float.suggestedvalues". Even after researching, I'm still confused on how to fix it. This example was from Template:Shortcut/doc on my wiki: https://spectrumentertainment.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Shortcut/doc. [19:14:07] [url] Template:Shortcut/doc - Spectrum Entertainment Wiki | spectrumentertainment.miraheze.org [19:17:35] maybe some of LUA modules is missing [20:57:00] this is how it is so far [20:57:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/900850178314092544/unknown.png [20:58:04] output [20:58:05] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/900850447475179570/unknown.png [21:05:12] Are you putting the {{Infobox_YTMPVer}} code inside Template:Infobox YTPMVer itself? [21:05:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_YTMPVer [21:05:12]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infobox_YTMPVer?action=edit&redlink=1 [21:05:14] [url] Infobox YTMPVer - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:07:14] I'm not trying to I remember wikipedia (and some other wikis) doing it similarly [21:12:23] I like this, I had been thinking about finding ways to contribute to something like this (I work in tech education) [21:13:58] we do this also [21:14:06] General guides to wiki operation would be useful. There is a project called wikileague on Miraheze as well that seeks to help people build their wikis if you want to explore something like that. [21:15:20] Yeah, that's definitely something I'd be interested in, and helping to create some documentation (instructional design is what I used to do for a living before medically retiring). [21:15:32] I think folks really need a practical crash course on mediawiki basics [21:15:39] Like the importance of categorization [21:16:25] And how it makes their lives easier in the long run, how to use basic template parameters, their power, basic parser fuctions [21:16:31] The bastics of setting up one's sites. [21:16:50] And potentially some more advanced topics [21:17:27] So this is the project I alluded to, https://wikileague.cf/wiki/WikiLeague:Main_Page [21:17:28] [url] WikiLeague | wikileague.cf [21:18:18] Ideally, semi-visual guides help too because people are busy, and skim or "shop" what it is they're trying to do sometimes via look as well as keywords. I like the idea of giving help to get folks started because that could help me draft some of what I mention. So, thanks for mentioning it! [21:19:10] Thank you, bookmarked, and excellent idea. [21:20:40] Love the responsive theme use btw. [21:21:10] I can't take any credit, but I do very much think the concept there has potential too [21:29:16] Yeah, it's a good idea. I can always draft some things in my own user space to propose to see if they might be useful. Thanks again. [21:32:50] musikanimal: that error is super frequent [21:33:07] I'm too tired at moment though to get graylog up [21:36:23] okay, I'm guessing it's a page that doesn't have a "my talk page" link, such as a Special page [21:36:38] I see [21:37:26] but those pages shouldn't execute the onPersonalUrls hook [21:38:56] were you testing new or legacy Vector? [21:40:51] Spookreeno I have my Committed Identity?? [21:46:18] his name username contains 3 e's btw [21:46:30] @Joseph ^ [21:48:45] ah [21:49:14] s/name username/username/ [21:49:14] Agent meant to say: his username contains 3 e's btw [21:49:19] musikanimal: no idea as I log search [21:49:23] Spookreeeno I have my Committed Identity?? Sorry for the ping(s) [21:49:33] @Joseph: where? [21:49:42] on my userpage [21:50:20] Email me the phrase used to create it & I'll check in the morning [21:50:45] Alright!! :DoneMH: [21:50:57] rhinosf1@miraheze.org ? [21:51:03] No [21:51:06] Hang on [21:51:14] You cant add it now [21:51:20] Okay [21:51:30] It's got to be added before the request [21:51:41] Did you not get a letter? [21:51:49] Nope [21:52:08] What should be added before the request? [21:52:21] The committed identity [21:52:44] Or I don't know your laptop ain't stolen [21:54:33] huh? I'm I gonna request on-wiki? [21:54:44] stolen? how>.> [21:56:19] you never know if a Russian operative has stolen your laptop in an attempt to infiltrate Miraheze /s [21:57:09] Ah [21:57:31] That's almost impossible [21:58:32] We need undeniable proof [21:58:43] Especially for an account with an NDA [21:58:50] Or a valid pre-signed key [21:59:37] But the fact that we have your real name & address on file and you're unable to provide proof of it is kinda a big red flag [22:03:07] What about updating my address with miraheze to the one on my ID? so they at least match [22:05:19] I'm going to talk to Owen [22:05:32] Because my understanding is you have no proof of change [22:09:42] we might have to outsource it [22:10:58] hmm [22:58:27] What's happening here?