[03:50:43] <dmehus>	 .op
[03:50:44] <MirahezeBot>	 Attempting to OP...
[03:51:03] <dmehus>	 Ugochimobi, thanks, will check
[03:51:17] <dmehus>	 looks like someone already unbanned the IRCCloud IP that the bot banned
[03:51:21] <dmehus>	 .deop
[03:51:21] <MirahezeBot>	 Attempting to OP...
[05:22:49] <ugochimobi>	 Hi
[05:40:25] <dmehus>	 hi, ugochimobi. Seen your e-mail. Will discuss with Stewards then try and get back to you in the next 1-3 days
[05:43:31] <ugochimobi>	 dmehus: Ohkay, thank you 😎
[05:58:14] <dmehus>	 np
[06:16:03] <CosmicAlpha>	 dmehus: creating "dougtestwiki" to see that wasn't necessary. The groups that have read by default on private wikis are sysop and member. No harm to do it yourself of course, but just letting you know.
[06:32:28] <dmehus>	 CosmicAlpha, I know, I needed to show Agent something :)
[06:32:52] <dmehus>	 as I couldn't be sure what control the assigning `read` to `sysop` as it's not Special:ManageWikiDefaultPermissions
[06:39:07] <CosmicAlpha>	 dmehus: OK, no problem. Yeah sysop is hardwired into CW https://github.com/miraheze/CreateWiki/blob/366e1f23accddca3905d61e7638191ed77943558/includes/CreateWikiHooks.php#L127
[06:39:07] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] CreateWiki/CreateWikiHooks.php at 366e1f23accddca3905d61e7638191ed77943558 · miraheze/CreateWiki · GitHub | github.com
[07:11:42] <dmehus>	 CosmicAlpha, oh thanks :)
[07:11:49] <dmehus>	 Agent and I were wondering where it was
[07:12:03] <dmehus>	 we weren't sure if it was CW or MW
[07:12:37] * dmehus likes the // Safety Catch! comment
[07:12:58] * dmehus wonders who added that (John maybe? SPF? Reception?)
[07:13:26] <RhinosF1>	 Which comment
[07:13:36] <Reception123>	 definitely not me
[07:13:50] <CosmicAlpha>	 dmehus: no problem, and yeah it's CW. John added it.
[07:14:00] <dmehus>	 Reception123, why definitely not you?
[07:14:05] <Agent>	 yeah, we were just wondering if sysop had access by default while updating the Private wikis page
[07:14:10] <dmehus>	 you're good with those sort of comments
[07:14:15] <dmehus>	 RhinosF1, https://github.com/miraheze/CreateWiki/blob/366e1f23accddca3905d61e7638191ed77943558/includes/CreateWikiHooks.php#L127 that one
[07:14:16] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] CreateWiki/CreateWikiHooks.php at 366e1f23accddca3905d61e7638191ed77943558 · miraheze/CreateWiki · GitHub | github.com
[07:14:24] <dmehus>	 CosmicAlpha, ah
[07:14:29] <CosmicAlpha>	 dmehus: https://github.com/miraheze/CreateWiki/commit/3cecc8d9bd4b47701c5d097bf9580efc3a41746f
[07:14:30] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] modify onSetupAfterCache for safety catches + last minute changes · miraheze/CreateWiki@3cecc8d · GitHub | github.com
[07:14:42] <dmehus>	 CosmicAlpha, ah, wow, thanks, you're fast
[07:15:09] <RhinosF1>	 You can use blame on github
[07:15:21] <dmehus>	 RhinosF1, oh I've never really used that
[07:15:34] <dmehus>	 I just scroll through the version history
[07:15:39] <dmehus>	 but it takes a long time
[07:15:46] <RhinosF1>	 It tells you who last changed a line
[07:15:52] <dmehus>	 oooh nice!
[07:15:54] <CosmicAlpha>	 Yep, although it doesn't work much on mobile, so I just searched for safety catch and the commit popped up.
[07:16:03] <dmehus>	 ah
[07:16:04] <RhinosF1>	 It's not always the best if lots have happened since
[07:16:07] <RhinosF1>	 CosmicAlpha: does for me
[07:16:11] <dmehus>	 ah, true, makes sense
[07:17:02] <CosmicAlpha>	 Oh, it doesn't work for me RhinosF1, or at least now without viewing desktop site. And even then it's poor and hard to read.
[07:17:11] <CosmicAlpha>	 *not
[07:17:17] <RhinosF1>	 CosmicAlpha: might have changed but I did a bit ago
[07:17:24] <Reception123>	 dmehus: because I'm sure I didn't deal with that particular area 
[07:17:32] <RhinosF1>	 And not a lot is great to read on mobile
[07:17:46] <RhinosF1>	 I'm one of few people who can do most stuff mobile
[07:17:58] <CosmicAlpha>	 RhinosF1: oh it does, I was looking in the wrong place on mobile.
[07:18:08] <RhinosF1>	 Heh
[07:18:08] <dmehus>	 Reception123, ah, true, yeah, you're not likely to dabble in `createWikiHooks.php` are you? :P
[07:18:29] <RhinosF1>	 Me + Reception123 rarely touch actual php
[07:18:39] <dmehus>	 true
[07:19:02] <dmehus>	 yeah... thinking about that a bit more, has SPF even added code to CreateWiki?
[07:19:12] <RhinosF1>	 CosmicAlpha: remind me to review your pr tonight and not fall asleep
[07:19:12] <CosmicAlpha>	 SPF started CW.
[07:19:16] <dmehus>	 it might all be John + Omega, other than very minor editing
[07:19:25] <RhinosF1>	 SPF did a lot of our original stuff
[07:19:36] <CosmicAlpha>	 SPF created CW initially dmehus.
[07:19:41] <dmehus>	 really?
[07:19:48] <dmehus>	 I thought John did actually
[07:19:50] <dmehus>	 wow
[07:19:52] <RhinosF1>	 Nope
[07:20:11] <Reception123>	 CosmicAlpha: well sort of. It already existed with Orain but SPF changed it a lot initially for Miraheze and then John continued with most changes afterwards 
[07:20:17] <CosmicAlpha>	 Oh.
[07:20:27] <CosmicAlpha>	 I noticed SPF made the initial commits.
[07:20:30] <dmehus>	 Reception123, ah, thanks for clarifying :)
[07:20:38] <dmehus>	 yeah, they probably worked on it together offline
[07:20:51] <dmehus>	 and SPF just happened to post the initial commits
[07:20:58] <CosmicAlpha>	 RhinosF1: alright, thanks!
[07:20:59] <Reception123>	 the README says "Developed by Miraheze. Based on the CheckUser extension by Tim Starling and Aaron Schulz, and another CreateWiki extension by Kudu"
[07:21:16] <RhinosF1>	 John is primarily an SRE too not a developer
[07:21:28] * dmehus can always count on Reception123 for Miraheze history
[07:21:30] <RhinosF1>	 I think he probably did a lot for us because he was the most active
[07:22:03] <Reception123>	 yeah John did a lot of developing since there wasn't really anyone else to
[07:24:34] <CosmicAlpha>	 Yeah, I kinda felt like I stepped in and took over tbh. But I guess that can be a good thing also so John can focus on infrastructure. But when John announced that he was not going to be continuing to be a software developer, I kinda felt I took over his years of work on the extensions, which wasn't my intention.
[07:29:24] <dmehus>	 true
[07:30:08] <dmehus>	 but yeah, it's also a lot of work to plan infrastructure improvements and maintain said infrastructure and also do development in a major way
[07:31:39] <CosmicAlpha>	 Yeah...
[07:34:40] <RhinosF1>	 John has done some fantastic work on infra
[07:34:54] <RhinosF1>	 And he will be leading even more fantastic work
[07:40:54] <CosmicAlpha>	 Yep.
[08:34:57] <MirahezeBot>	 Hello Joseph! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon.
[12:10:06] <More>	 कामिनी
[12:12:18] <More>	 Why can't I change my nick in hindi
[12:12:26] <More>	 Neither urdu
[12:13:02] <MH-Discord>	 <Joseph Raidarr> I don't suppose it takes issue with the script, ie, the underlying system does not recognize it as a usable code for name?
[12:16:10] <More>	 I can't change my nick at all. /nick command doesn't work
[12:18:34] <More>	 Sorry I meant to change to कामिल not कामिनी
[12:18:53] <More>	 I don't know if it is a bad word but still I should be sorry
[12:20:32] <MH-Discord>	 <Joseph Raidarr> So it's not the name, but any nick you try?
[12:21:49] <More>	 Yeah
[12:22:02] <More>	 It doesn't work
[12:22:49] <MH-Discord>	 <Joseph Raidarr> Well, beats me then
[12:29:20] <MH-Discord>	 <Joseph Zppix> You dont happened to be banned in any irc channels are you
[12:29:54] <More>	 No I am not banned on any
[12:29:55] <MH-Discord>	 <Joseph Zppix> If not then it be not allowed bc irc can only support certain scripts in the nick
[12:30:05] <MH-Discord>	 <Joseph Zppix> May not be*
[12:30:48] <MH-Discord>	 <Joseph Zppix> Try asking in #Libera
[12:38:46] <More>	 Well, i am actually quitted somewhere.
[12:39:02] <More>	 Maybe that's why it doesn't work
[13:08:00] <RhinosF1>	 @Zppix: names have go to be DNS valid
[13:08:14] <RhinosF1>	 Hindi and Urdu names won't be