[01:35:51] anyone on [02:07:57] Hello dross! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [02:13:38] hi, dross :) [02:13:48] o/ [02:13:49] haven't seen you in on in awhile :) [02:14:04] Yeah, college... and stuff haha [02:14:13] heh np [02:14:24] what are you studying? diploma program? undergrad? [02:14:33] Took a bit of an unannounced wikibreak. Recently got reinspired to continue my project though [02:14:44] ah, cool [02:14:53] Working toward NREMT this semester. Studying business as my major [02:15:13] oh, cool [02:15:37] It's funny I was just looking at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Dross/Advanced_global_users actually, then I saw your activity on Meta. I was thinking that page was due for an update [02:15:38] [url] User:Dross/Advanced global users - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [02:16:26] We can transclude {{Special:GlobalUsers}} now, thanks, in part, to Reception123's commit to that aspect of MediaWiki. So I was thinking we could simplify the update by transcluding those special pages in separate sections, what do you think? [02:16:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Template:GlobalUsers [02:16:43] uhh..., that's weird [02:17:46] You're right, it really does need an update haha [02:17:56] heh [02:18:03] Maybe. I do like the table for myself tbh [02:18:07] I'll do some tinkering [02:19:42] true [02:37:38] dmehus: lol, I would've thought it would've at least linked the other way around, Template:Special:GlobalUsers.... [02:38:18] {{:Special:GlobalUsers}} [02:38:18] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:Template:Special:GlobalUsers [02:38:30] That way does... [02:44:08] CosmicAlpha, ah, interesting. Yeah, I think I forgot that. It's interesting because on-wiki, you don't need a preceding colon when transcluding pages in Template namespace [02:45:54] interesting you can't link to special pages with wm-bot [02:45:59] with {{ }} [02:45:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:_ [02:46:15] [[Special:GlobalUsers]] [02:46:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers [02:46:32] [[Media:Miraheze.png]] [02:46:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Media:Miraheze.png [02:46:46] {{Media:Miraheze.png}} [02:46:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Media:Template:Miraheze.png [02:47:05] yeah it's a problem with the {{ and }}, as the other virtual namespace, Media: doesn't work [02:47:05] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:_and_ [02:47:21] oops [02:47:32] {{Image:Miraheze.png}} [02:47:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Image:Template:Miraheze.png [02:47:44] [[Image:Miraheze.png]] [02:47:44] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Image:Miraheze.png [02:47:51] Weird. [02:47:54] yeah [02:48:39] * dmehus wonders if CosmicAlpha is active at all on his main wiki anymore :P [02:48:51] * dmehus can't even remember the name of it [02:49:35] I am. [02:50:19] I mainly am only for helping the others with JavaScript, etc... now though. I'm not super active with actual editing anymore. [02:55:09] dmehus: lately I've been more active on-wiki, that wiki and Meta mainly. Meta more-so though. I also created more wikis today alone than (excluding this week) the past 3 months combined. I'm trying to be more diversified now rather than only working on one thing (development stuff) I'm focusing on-wiki, and community Phabricator requests, then also some development stuff still. [03:04:42] CosmicAlpha, ah okay :) [03:07:32] nnight everyone [03:07:34] heading to bed [03:10:03] Night [03:10:15] night [03:12:42] we all start out asking for help on our wikis and then end up volunteering [03:12:44] heh [03:18:11] yeah [03:18:56] * dmehus originally started on Miraheze to create his own personal e-portfolio wiki with the view it'd help him find a job, but never got around to it and then ended up finding a job [03:24:41] whew [03:24:43] did it [03:29:32] dross, wow, LGTM. Yeah, that's a big update :) [03:29:44] Working with wikitables can be time consuming [03:30:21] ah, you even noted RhinosF1's separate role account [03:30:29] wondered if you'd notice that [03:30:39] I see everything lol [03:30:48] I mostly lurk, I admit [03:31:00] @dmehus I've received your reply to my email I sent on October 31st. [03:31:10] But I test and sniff out everything up until I hit some sort of permissions/access wall [03:31:13] technically 黑底屍 is still an interwiki-admin though [03:31:21] darkmatterman450, ok, cool thanks :) [03:31:58] I think it's there? [03:32:08] One up from the example row [03:32:40] I'll look on the [[Special:RecentChanges]] page and the [[Special:Log/globalauth]] logs tomorrow if anything has been updated anyhow. [03:32:40] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log/globalauth [03:33:04] nice [03:33:41] Yes, just like InspecterAbdel, I also look there to see locks and unlocks being made there. [03:33:42] on the topic of Interwiki admins, I think an inactivity policy should exist for them [03:34:13] Truly, I don't recall what the risks associated with the perms are though [03:34:27] I'm not sure there's really any risk to having inactive interwiki admins [03:34:39] oh you moved it to the bottom [03:34:42] nevermind [03:34:55] Neither do I but can you imagine in 5 years when we have 20 Interwiki admins and only 2 active ones [03:35:06] atm, there's about 11 and only 3 active ones [03:35:22] Though, I think we should lighten up a little on what kind of housekeeping functionaries can do [03:35:54] Along the lines of, if you're gone for a few months, a steward might come through and remove them, and if you come back, they'll be readded without question [03:36:14] I would definitely support this, sort of how Wikipedia does it ^^ [03:36:20] ye [03:36:55] this is my newest strategy of procrastinating homework lol [03:37:14] yeah, I'd support that personally for interwiki-admin, as it's a minor role. Basically, a readdition clause, provided it wasn't removed for cause [03:37:45] if I'm to be totally honest, I don't even think it requires an election process [03:37:47] but I wouldn't support an inactivity clause for interwiki-admin without a readdition clause [03:37:57] A quick request on SN is enough for me [03:38:20] I suppose, though we do do local interwiki-admin requests via SN [03:38:41] in most cases, where the wiki has no significant community to speak of, we'll process the request right away [03:39:19] Agent, only 2 active interwiki admins? 🤔 [03:39:24] dmehus: 3 [03:39:29] how would that be...we have four [03:39:38] You, me, UO and who else? [03:39:38] you, me, Ugochimobi, and CosmicAlpha :) [03:39:40] o [03:39:43] heh [03:39:46] he got locked out though [03:39:49] oh [03:40:24] SRE is working on that [03:40:45] For quite a while [03:40:51] oh [03:40:56] when did the lockout happen? [03:41:07] I thought this was just a recent occurrence (i.e., today)? [03:41:56] dmehus: yeah, recently, today or yesterday [03:42:02] He said he got locked out finally [03:42:28] oh :( [03:59:40] So... What do you all think is the most encyclopedic or book-like skin? [04:00:09] Vector as it's closely tied to Wikipedia [04:00:31] mkmk [04:21:03] dross, yeah Vector or maybe Monobook [06:34:14] dmehus: @Agent I'm in now [06:34:29] My 2FA has been revoked by Samuel [06:36:10] Sursouvant, excelling [06:36:16] I'm glad you were able to get in [06:37:29] Yeah [06:37:50] The whole process was a bit hectic, FUNNY? and wowing 😂 [06:38:25] Quite long yes, and serves as a precautionary tale against losing our 2FA reset codes lol [06:38:57] Yesssss [06:39:18] I wouldn't advice anyone to lost their 2FA heh [06:39:44] Samuel will teach them a lesson just asnhe taught me, heh [06:40:03] s/asnhe/as he [06:40:03] ugochimobi meant to say: Samuel will teach them a lesson just as he taught me, heh [06:46:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/pagetranslation [06:46:27] [url] Page translation log - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [06:47:21] I broke the translations while moving page [[Meta:VisualEditor]] to [[VisualEditor]] [06:47:21] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:VisualEditor https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/VisualEditor [06:47:22]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:VisualEditor?action=edit&redlink=1 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/VisualEditor [06:47:24] [url] Meta:VisualEditor - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [06:47:25] [url] VisualEditor - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [06:56:59] @More, yeah, I suspect it's because you needed a permission that only Meta sysops have [06:57:15] so while I agree with the page move, I'm going to temporarily revert it, then redo it for you :) [06:57:57] Thanks, dmehus :) [06:58:38] I wonder what permissions it requires [07:05:26] More, I'm not exactly certain. On the other hand, FuzzyBot does actually complete the move, and it has the rights. [07:05:44] It could be a jobrunner issue possibly, too [07:15:38] Hello more_! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [12:34:22] CosmicAlpha are you around to customize Item namespace for gratisdata to mainspace? [12:34:25] Hello dmehus[m]! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [12:41:07] @dmehus[m] what are your questions? 🤪 [12:53:55] ugochimobi: not right now. It's 6AM and I'm still haven't gotten any sleep, as I've had some personal stuff to finish all night. I will be in a few hours though after I sleep. [12:55:23] 6 in the morning. There is only an hour for daylight? [12:56:08] Yes [13:07:42] Ah, please CosmicAlpha sleep as long as you like 🤭 just lemme know when you're up. [13:23:22] good morning [13:41:35] jesus christ, good afternoon here [16:07:55] dmehus: you there? [16:10:50] @Agent: can you do the interwiki thing per [[T8281]]? [16:10:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/T8281 [16:10:50]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/T8281?action=edit&redlink=1 [16:10:51] [url] T8281 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [16:11:00] Sure [16:11:02] [[phab:T8281]] [16:11:02] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:T8281 [16:11:02]

https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T8281 [16:11:04] [url] ⚓ T8281 Add a external link and a external import authority to ZhwpWiki | phabricator.miraheze.org [16:11:04] Checking... [16:11:21] I’ll get around doing the import thing rn, [16:11:37] Yeah, just add it LocalSettings.php [16:11:42] And I'll add the prefix [16:15:44] The prefix is now done [16:43:04] hmm... nop, parece que no me perdi de nada, a bueno, volvere a offtopic [16:49:07] What should i do if i want to have an image displayed on any namespace? This is in the Help: = Ayuda: namespace: https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Ayuda:Crear_ambientaciones,_lugares_y_culturas [16:49:09] [url] Ayuda:Crear ambientaciones, lugares y culturas - Bestiario del Hypogripho | tuscriaturas.miraheze.org [16:49:16] Umm... oigan, me banearon de offtopic por tan solo preguntar si algun bot podria poner un poco de musica [16:50:11] Peruanoball: Te banearon porque estabas hablando puras cosas sin sentido [16:50:31] ... [16:50:47] Y si te soy honesto, yo mismo te hubiera baneado ayer de aquí si hubiera visto el spam que hiciste [16:50:53] Entonces, favor de controlarte :) [16:51:01] ok [16:51:19] :) [16:53:02] bueno, ya no los molesto más, me quedare aqui callado... a partir de... ahora... [16:53:15] Adios [17:54:19] Por cuanto tiempo estuve callado? [17:56:06] Una hora [17:56:06] bueno, volvere a estar callado [19:30:01] @Agent: what's going on? Please interpret‽ 🤭😜 [19:30:26] Someone was just flooding the channel with off-topic comments [19:31:37] Samuel already kicked them on the off-topic channel oo [19:34:31] him, not them [19:34:55] it's just one person [19:36:23] "them" here is for impersonality [19:47:33] actually, it's for causing headaches [19:55:01] ehm Tintle I think them is sorta gender neutral, so yes [19:55:48] heh [19:57:16] Is sexual contents accepted here? [19:57:29] I saw someone requested a wiki regarding that. [19:58:03] idk [19:58:10] heh [20:02:31] ugochimobi: link [20:04:02] -_0 [20:06:32] I saw [20:06:46] ugochimobi: I've approved with warnings about shock content [20:06:50] Peruanoball: ? [20:10:46] RhinosF1 oh, okay [20:26:58] the monster girls one? [20:34:34] I doubt [20:37:33] hmm [20:38:04] fandom started hard purging [20:38:50] yeah [20:38:52] I suggested my friend to move to miraheze, I think the chance his wiki will be booted is very high [20:40:20] btw the wiki has over 1k article, over 10k pages overall, but xml w/ all history is only 63 Mb - this is normal size? [20:40:34] approximately [20:41:32] Standards on NSFW wikis should be formed imo, all current suggestions of NSFW content not being on the front page, etc are by convention I think [20:42:50] There's been much bigger, it's not an unusual size [20:42:55] obligate them w/ a warning on main page? [20:43:06] It could be a note in content policy [20:43:36] I thought 63 Mb is too small lol [20:43:55] Doesn't sound terribly odd to me, page data is not that huge [20:44:12] okie [20:44:16] But I'll defer to a more familiar tech person on that [20:46:08] 63MBs is not unusual. Remember that it's all just text [20:46:14] I saw people doing it on a main page, not even scrolling down at all [20:46:33] Just right there [20:46:33] Convention dictates that NSFW content not be on the front page [20:46:39] So uh, that's bad then [20:48:12] It should probably be codified instead of left to convention if it's actionable by global staff onto local wikis [20:49:29] Definitely but a lot of things are not codified but instead left to convention [20:49:56] Those things should be considered if they are comparable. [20:50:38] Personally I prefer to leave as little to convention as possible especially as it comes from an outside authority with regards to the agency of a local community; the conventions of meta operation would be another matter. [20:50:43] I'm kinda worried about minors viewing NSFW content on the first place [20:50:48] first page* [20:51:39] Namely because in the first place, the average user cannot be expected to know the conventions of the meta community unless they integrate, which doesn't serve them well if they only showed up for the express purpose of requesting a wiki and otherwise have read the concrete policies. [20:52:01] here is the theme for future meeting [20:52:44] Though tbh it's decent practice on the internet not to have the very first thing at a glance be porn, and even then there is a mechanism for 'one last click'. Perhaps an extension can be provided for NSFW focused wikis to provide a warning to logged out users or users without specific groups that they can dismiss to view page contents understanding that it may be/will be NSFW in nature. [20:53:31] I know it can be done by JS to a good extent and probably even through MediaWiki, but it seems like a good thing to build in especially if we get an influx of that scenario from Fandom. [20:53:36] I suggested that some times ago, w/ blur [20:53:40] same [20:53:51] I have no idea how to make that happen [20:55:24] It could perhaps be suggested/developed through the MediaWiki community itself and then proposed to Miraheze when a stable/usable result is formed [20:55:36] I really wanna make it [20:55:43] but jesus christ im terrible at coding [20:55:45] Too bad, they'll have to volunteer then to learn :red_angry_face: [20:55:51] ^^^ [20:59:06] wishes he knew how to code to an extensible amount [20:59:33] just another thought, but maybe implement that in wiki creation process, like "if wiki going to have adult content?" [21:00:07] so such uuuh extension/whatver to be applied? [21:00:11] what better time to learn [21:00:25] I've thought about that but I feel like we'd be sort of opening flood gates with such a question, sort of welcoming them with open arms [21:00:45] It's possible, but no certainty [21:01:23] are you against them? I believe things can be made civilised [21:01:59] I think if we're going to add too much more to mw_core then we need to look at db & performance [21:02:20] cw_wikis isn't nice to alter live [21:02:23] okay okay, it was just a thought [21:02:28] I don't mind it [21:02:46] But we might wanna consider technical standpoints on how to best store the data [21:02:55] Not against the wikis themselves but I'm sort of worried about hosting NSFW content here, it's a delicate thing [21:03:07] might make us look even scummier to some [21:03:12] There's certainly an understandable 'point at tumblr' argument [21:03:32] There is probably a policy about that [21:03:56] heh yeah, Tumblerheze lol [21:03:59] More or less it's 'nsfw ok as long as it's not shock or underage' from what I understand [21:04:22] Yeah, that's current convention + legal requirements [21:06:32] what about horrors, or more adult oriented, serious media, like same Silent Hill? [21:07:06] I think those aren't inherently a problem [21:07:14] Especially Silent Hill grade [21:08:11] * looks at Pyramid Head and Nurse scene * [21:08:54] In context and treated respectably in wiki format they should still be fine; the bar to think of would be shock, and shock tends to be its own bar with clear extremes when it appears [21:10:23] It would help if the wiki focused on discussing the material and having non-extreme screenshots/images rather than trying to push the bar by making a gallary of the most explicit references it can for those examples though >.> [21:10:44] yes, I think these wikis will still be clean, or will try to if there will be rules [21:10:50] Generally speaking wikis shouldn't be a porn gallery anyway although I can find one exception [21:11:02] of course lol [21:11:03] So if they intend to be clean and act, well, as you expect a wiki to, there shouldn't be an issue [21:11:29] Clean in the sense of decency when handling the material I should say [21:12:07] what is considered "Extreme" [21:12:26] also don't forget gore [21:12:38] Gore is very much a clear line for extreme [21:13:10] ok, what about non sexual nudity, say in fine arts? [21:13:17] Absolutely no trouble [21:14:06] and for just character portrait, if that's the only way they appear? [21:14:18] Also can't see any trouble [21:14:29] I think so too [21:14:52] Inherent clauses of shock and underage always included of course, since there is no way to lawyer the latter as acceptable under policy and I wouldn't try it in straight up law either [21:21:35] included where? [21:25:43] Whenever discussing nudity there are those contingencies to keep in mind. Fine art, straight up titillating, they're both subject to those points as instant no if they apply. [22:22:40] * Bongo-Cat wishes Global Signatures were back [22:26:03] Global signatures were got rid of for good reason