[00:08:18] hi so i've been checking my future subdomain daily, but my request for a wiki still hasn't gone through, how long is the wait time for a wiki to be approved, generally? [00:11:23] it's been about 2 weeks, and i'd like to get off of fandom sooner than later [00:15:27] You should've gotten a response in less than 12 hours. Check [[Special:Notifications]] to see what happened. [00:15:27] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Notifications [00:15:28]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Notifications [00:15:29] [url] Log in - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [00:17:52] it says i have no notifications,,, [00:19:20] What's your username? [00:19:27] Amaryillis [00:19:44] Allow me a few moments while I check [00:20:29] Per Special:RequestWikiQueue, you never requested a wiki. Are you sure your request went through? [00:21:10] well i have been having internet issues.. [00:21:31] if i submit the request now could i trouble you to open it in the next hour or so? [00:21:53] Sure, ping me when you've requested it and I'll check it right now :) [00:22:28] thank you!! [00:27:18] @Agent alright, request's in! [00:27:28] Checking... [00:28:23] omg hi agent [00:28:44] CosmicAlpha beat me to it, :DoneMH: approved. Thank you for choosing Miraheze! [00:28:50] Hi [00:28:51] thank you!!! [00:29:07] No problem ;) [00:31:02] i'm doing fine, how are you this morning (i forgot your timezone [00:31:27] I'm doing fine this evening lol [00:31:50] that's always nice to hear [00:35:40] What brings you around here :P [00:36:08] the fact that i have notifications set to all [00:36:32] that would be painful for me [00:36:37] in every channel except #wiki-feed #cvt-feed and #cvt [00:36:42] :trollskull: [00:36:45] same though [00:37:12] Yeah that would not be my preference lol [00:37:30] i have notifs on all in 4 servers [00:37:43] all over 100 active members [00:37:55] Literal pain, I only have them on for this server [00:38:13] the pbwds, seadoo, tgw, and miraheze ds [00:38:13] I'm in like 78 servers. [00:38:20] I'd go insane if it was for all of them [00:38:21] i'm in like 20 [00:38:30] lmao [00:38:44] A good amount [00:38:51] But I've been on Discord since 2016 [00:39:05] the only reason i got nitro was to use emojis and basically nothing else [00:39:10] :run: [00:39:14] amazing [00:39:16] I'm in 76 servers :o [00:39:21] thankfully I have folders [00:39:31] Yeah uh same [00:39:32] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/908878714752860160/unknown.png [00:39:38] i only have two folders [00:39:49] and they only have 3 servers each [00:40:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/908878845602594846/unknown.png [00:40:04] if only [00:40:11] for me [00:40:17] cyclones [00:40:23] My folders are organized by how often I check on the servers with the ones at the top being ones I check all the time and the ones at the bottom being those I rarely check [00:40:35] Yeah uh, I'm into tropical meteorology [00:40:47] Cool [00:40:51] thank you [00:41:23] For those that don't know me, I used to be more active on Miraheze in general [00:41:32] I was also a wiki creator at one point [00:42:07] Nice to see old members come back [00:42:20] Yeah its always nice to see that [00:42:30] I've been on wikis since like 2013 [00:42:33] So I know [00:42:36] lol [00:43:28] My wiki career started in 2010 and it's so nostalgic to come back to a community you once were an active contributor to and seeing who stayed and who left [00:43:37] Exactly [00:43:40] 2010? [00:43:42] wow [00:43:50] And what kind of weirdos showed up in the meantime [00:43:55] lol [00:44:13] My goal is to try and become active again here eventually. [00:45:12] That's great to hear :D [00:45:16] Thank you [00:45:34] Trust me, I'd be a lot more active at least locally if I could migrate my Fandom wiki here. [00:45:47] It's just...harder than it looks apparently. [00:45:53] Community is the trick I imagine [00:45:56] Yep [00:46:12] Possibly assets if it's image heavy enough, but generally community both in readership and editors [00:46:21] mhm [00:46:37] My wiki probably has tens of thousands of images [00:46:42] And over 10,000 pages. [00:46:43] It can definitely be hard to migrate but not impossible. Something that really hinders progress is the fact that Fandom will not let you close a wiki even if you have migrated the content over to a new host so there'll always be that splinter group. [00:46:54] yeah [00:46:58] Not impossible to migrate, I've moved a wiki with 60k+ images before [00:47:07] Fandom can milk a defunct but operational fork for years 😛 [00:47:18] 💲 [00:47:28] All about that money I know [00:47:28] lol [00:47:40] Objectively good business not to let you close it [00:47:49] ooh what's the reason to move for you? [00:47:58] I know it isn't impossible but it will definitely be hard. [00:48:13] Plus getting the community to want to migrate. [00:48:14] i'm moving because my wiki is a dupe (since the games i'm making it for have wikis that are extremely mismanaged) and apparently that's not allowed [00:48:18] (near impossible) [00:48:28] i tried to merge but they gave me so many headaches [00:48:32] Yeah, Fandom goes heavy against dupes [00:48:36] decided to just keep to myself [00:48:45] It's not right to dupe here either, but that's if it's duping of a miraheze wiki [00:48:47] My reason is just I like what Miraheze offers better. [00:49:02] And in my experience Fandom is much more strict with what it considers a dupe than miraheze [00:49:13] i find its layout confusing atm but i think i'll get used to it!! [00:49:24] I'm used to the Vector skin myself so [00:49:26] It's much more bare metal so to speak [00:49:30] Not a problem to me there [00:49:36] what does bare metal mean? [00:49:41] Technically (as in, literally the technical specifics) speaking, it's not hard to migrate, just get the XML, scrape the images off, upload them via PyWikiBot and viola! The issue is getting those stubborn users off your wiki onto the new one, people sometimes don't like change or are lazy. [00:50:01] Perhaps you can entice the community to move if you enable skins that mimic Fandom like Cosmos or Evelution [00:50:07] You are dealing with the near original MediaWiki software that is what you make of it. Fandom is much more guided (at the cost of flexibility) and has its own custom functionality. [00:50:08] I agree 100% on the community part [00:50:19] It is always the hardest part [00:50:26] At least imo [00:50:43] oh boy i'm very bad with templates then... this should be an Experience [00:50:54] Familiarity is the strongest argument in the world really [00:51:12] That and the old wiki would be left behind [00:51:13] You could have an objectively better option and still lose to convention [00:51:17] That's what I've been told [00:51:41] On the Polandball Wikis which were in the process of getting kicked off Fandom, there were still some stubborn users editing on it despite admins warning that the wiki migrated to Miraheze and all their edits would be lost. It's just the way it is. [00:51:56] Yeah [00:52:41] also [00:52:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/908882025426071642/unknown.png [00:52:44] But familiarity is definitely key here. In my experience, users are more likely to move over to the fork if it provides familiarity to the previous wiki [00:52:51] Definitely [00:54:13] Miraheze imo I like better because it has the ability to customize user groups (to an extent but still better than...nothing) and the extensions [00:54:21] Along with ManageWiki [00:54:59] If you're careful you could redo the group structure of a wiki entirely from scratch [00:55:06] Yep [00:55:22] I already have plans for that if and when we ever get to migrate [00:55:38] don't like bureaucrat and sysop and want to make medieval kingdom titles, well, it's possible [00:55:54] You could delete those default groups on Miraheze? [00:56:01] You could wipe them out completely [00:56:04] I didn't think that was possible [00:56:12] Because they are default groups [00:56:19] You just better have another group with ManageWiki and other essentials on it in the meantime 😛 [00:56:23] Yeah [00:56:31] But yeah, I dumped bureaucrat completely and shifted permissions to sysop in my private wiki. [00:56:31] most definitely [00:56:39] Ah okay [00:56:53] You know what, I'm gonna attempt this. [00:57:08] Or rather in the reverse order, because of course you don't want to end up with nixing yourself out of powers which is the most dangerous part and why the inexperienced user should never try it [00:57:31] yeah definitely [00:57:47] For safety at least you'd want a contingency group and be absolutely sure said group holds ManageWiki so things are fixable and you can still edit, other than that it's flexible [00:58:18] I might request the wiki I want to migrate here shortly. [00:58:29] It does result in an arrangement that is 'deviant' from what MediaWiki and extensions expect, and it better be documented so a Steward doesn't come in and wonder what the hell is going on :p [00:58:31] Or I could use my custom domain I have idk [00:59:03] I'm pretty good with documenting things like this so no worries there. [00:59:27] If you're familiar enough and understand the principle of having a contingency at all times, you're probably fine [00:59:53] And I wouldn't mess with groups like user or *... you can mess with them a lot, and do heavy damage there as well [01:00:30] tldr be very familiar with how the permissions work [01:00:46] You can also rename them via system messages ;) [01:00:52] That too [01:01:06] Agent: hey sorry didn't even see this conversation till just now but yeah at least we didn't conflict. [01:01:15] Yeah and unlike on Fandom you can edit those system messages [01:01:30] Heck, you can edit any message pretty much at all [01:01:37] If it's mediawiki, ya got it [01:01:56] CosmicAlpha: No worries, just another testament to our fast response time :) [01:02:38] Yeah, it's pretty dumb that you can't edit the MediaWiki namespace freely on Fandom [01:03:11] Also, sorry if this is the wrong place (if so please let me know where to put my question) [01:03:26] Well, it's too late for that lol [01:03:31] true [01:04:14] I have a custom domain with Google Domains at the moment, would this be usable? [01:04:17] Agent: hey yep. I usually try to review requests within seconds if I'm not busy. I have notifications for every single request being opened so handle if I'm not busy. Yesterday alone I actually did more then in the 2 months before this week I think. And this week alone have done more than in the past 6 months at least. I hadn't handled much of them until recently. [01:04:21] Of course [01:04:29] Alrighty [01:05:02] If we mean wiki requests, they're pretty smooth [01:05:15] CosmicAlpha: Oh really? That's pretty cool. I noticed you've been handling a nice number of requests. I've barely handled any requests these past few days vs handling half/all of them in previous weeks [01:05:20] So thank you [01:05:46] I'd like to take another look at meta operation and information, another aspect that's fallen a bit [01:06:08] also ty raidarr, you've also been on top of the wiki requests since you've become a wiki creator [01:06:36] On and off :p [01:08:55] Agent: yep, and also no problem. It's one reason I've decided to get back into my community positions and be active around meta again, since it's always the same users lately, which it shouldn't have to be just one user or a few users, so I'm trying to better help in that area again, being more proactive around the community and also community requests on Phabricator, not so much lower priority dev work lately. [12:27:14] oh, CosmicAlpha, has SMW updated finally? [16:48:38] Hi. I'm having issues with the mobile view on one of my Miraheze wikis using the Citizen skin. And before I go to the Citizen devs and file a bug report with them I just wanted to make sure that Miraheze has the latest version of Citizen (1.10.0). But I'm not sure where to find that info. Does anyone here know? Thanks! [17:00:01] forteller: Check Special:Version on your wiki for that info [17:02:12] Ah. Thanks! Seems like it is using the latest version, so I guess I'll fill the bug rapport with them. [17:49:07] Che, escuchen, voy a hacer unas multi-cuentas, pero, no las usare aqui, sino en un canal que cree, gracias por su comprension... porfa sean razonables :c, muchas gracias :D [17:50:55] bueno, como dije, no los usare aca [17:50:58] sino [17:51:02] en un canal que creee [17:51:07] cree* [17:55:00] Creo que ya entienden la idea [17:57:02] Hello Peruanoball_5! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [17:57:23] El fin, sip, si ya entienden la idea, piola :D [18:02:16] Hello Peruanaball! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [18:02:26] Bien [18:02:28] ya no digo [18:02:29] nada [18:02:54] si ven una multi mia, no hagan nada, ya que no sera usada aqui, sino en mi canal que cree [18:02:56] graicas [18:02:59] gracias* [18:03:00] aaaaa [18:03:12] hoy dia ando medio dislexico xd [18:03:35] .kb Peruanoball you were warned [18:03:44] .kb Peruanaball [18:03:45] Agent: Syntax is: .kickban [18:03:52] .kb Peruanaball You were warned [18:04:00] ,op [18:04:01] .op [18:04:36] .kick Peruanoball_2 [18:04:40] kick Peruanoball_3 [18:04:43] Agent, I'm not sure that was needed [18:04:46] .kick Peruanoball_3 [18:04:49] .kick Peruanoball_4 [18:04:50] A warning should be sufficient [18:04:52] .kick Peruanoball_5 [18:05:07] dmehus: See #miraheze-relay, this user has been warned various times [18:05:13] Like, a lot of times [18:05:18] they also spammed previously [18:05:23] and are banned on -offtopic [18:05:25] .deop [18:05:33] that channel doesn't exist [18:05:38] dmehus: on Discord of course [18:06:06] but which channel did they spam? [18:06:30] dmehus: this channel and -offtopic [18:06:42] erm, not seeing it in -offtopic, Agent [18:07:04] and this channel they were only warned once [18:07:22] They were warned various times, all in Spanish [18:07:48] I guess it's okay, but I only see one warning from you, and them continuing once [18:07:54] and I don't see it in -offtopic [18:08:08] Make sure you don't set a permaban with litharge [18:08:14] just let it expire after 24 hours [18:09:38] I warned him at least 4 times from what I can count [18:10:10] Agent, I don't see it, but feel free to DM me. We can move this privately now