[05:09:37] users keep having issues w/ account creation, see #general [05:14:47] Tbh, I think that issue is caused by probably an Abuse filter [05:30:09] Joseph is correct here. The rule match the warning mentions is actually the title of the relevant filter [06:09:11] when I choose license option from drop down in file upload form, it's section goes under custom provided description, is there a way to make it appear other way around by default? [06:14:01] uuuh, guys anyone w/ customized CSS can check their wikis? mine looks like there is no Common.css [06:16:18] Mine loaded fine [06:18:23] I checked both browsers on my phone and got default white Timeless [06:18:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/910413537548042260/IMG_20211117_091633.jpg [06:18:37] tried other skins (cosmos and vector) and they loaded fine [06:19:18] hm, back to normal on Timeless now [06:20:06] I was very confused, as I didn't touch MediaWiki pages recently [11:09:19] Qualitipedia still burns my eyes, so it's not still occuring if it happened at a widespread level :p [11:35:29] Meh, I mean, the wikis could do better with even more quality control, but without overdoing it. [11:38:04] Well, I was digging at the color palette. But in context of above, if you want to see if common.css is globally down or not, just look at QP 😛 [11:38:38] QP central in particular is due for a redesign, but that's one of those endlessly 'in the future' items. [11:43:13] @raidarr Oh, I see. [12:14:02] For lack of a real internal discussion place among WCs, I'll just mention the request here; this honestly seems a bit problematic to me in terms of the limited niche use its requirements put it to (not necessarily reason to decline) but also the practical dangers of a regular wiki giving unrestricted ManageWiki access when ManageWiki in a typical case is more than enough to simply bypass any security and take over the wiki [12:14:02] quite trivially. In so many words it's very limited use and where it is used, is kind of a risk. I wonder what @DarkMatterMan4500 and @Agent in particular might think. https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/21500 [12:14:03] [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:14:31] I do think as far as what it strictly wants to do, it technically justifies itself as different from a PTW use case and this can't/should not be refused for that reason. [12:14:48] I'm so NOT accepting that wiki request. It's just a carbon copy of the Public Test Wiki. [12:14:54] No, it's not. [12:15:13] The fact we seem to disagree to this extent means we should perhaps put it on hold and elevate assessment to someone like dmehus. [12:15:30] In fact I'm inclined to do so unless you disagree. [12:15:44] I'm just trying not to repeat my previous mistake from last time. [12:16:09] Your caution is reasonable, and the more I think of it the better it would be to simply elevate as it is a technically unusual scenario. [12:36:36] A discussion is made on-wiki through the requestor's userpage based on this issue. https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Matttest [12:36:37] [url] User talk:Matttest - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:42:43] don't people request personal test wikis? [12:45:12] They do. [12:46:19] Strictly speaking they do get approved for being a general purpose personal wiki rather than just a test one though, since the latter is where they must be declined for PTW. [12:47:19] So the rationale is, you get it if you intend to do more with it or have it for more than just testing wiki features out. I do empathize with people who find it easier to try and request a wiki rather than go out, request for permissions, wait longer, be able to do less and have to take more steps when they're done testing. [13:01:14] I think it's much better [13:45:35] re: #21500, this has come up before various times, all of which I have declined the requests. Should users desire to test out extensions, they're free to request them enabled. Additionally, if we were to give users ManageWiki access, due to the way ManageWiki is designed, nothing at all stops them from going into Special:ManageWiki/permissions, removing the Consul group and creating for themselves to a new special overlord group that [13:45:35] has full control of the wiki and outranks all other roles locally and then proceeding to destroy the wiki. In my opinion, perhaps this would be a good discussion to have with SRE about maybe modularizing ManageWiki permissions into new special rights that give only access to a certain page within ManageWiki and not access to all parts of ManageWiki (e.g. managewiki-extensions perhaps gives you access to enable/disable extensions in [13:45:36] Special:ManageWiki/extensions, managewiki-settings gives you access to Special:ManageWiki/settings to tweak settings, etc). Due to all of that, I move to decline the request. [13:52:44] With a total of 4 WC's inclined to oppose for reasons at least vaguely resembling each other, I think there is clear consensus to decline especially since that includes the most recently active and habitual reviewers. I already moved to include Doug in it, but if you think it would make sense I can add a reply to the post to indicate this and simply have the conversation shift to offering the general rationale and [13:52:44] alternatives if you think that would make sense. Otherwise I'll just wait, or allow someone else to do so who's more authoritative. [13:53:39] If you could put a short gist into the on-wiki conversation (or in full, either way) to convey the gist through the 'official' discussion so the requestor can see (especially since it offers solid rationale they should be aware of), that may help as well. [13:58:06] Yeah, if you can, please add a reply indicating this and offer alternatives. Thanks :) [13:58:33] Yeah, I'll write my rationale on their userpage [14:49:02] @Doug if you'll get time please check the message I've sent you [22:30:33] Hi there! Does anyone know how long it usually takes for a wiki to get approved by a volunteer? [22:34:26] found the farmer log and request queue so that gives me something to track.. [22:53:03] Whenever we pick and go for it really, which is at least several times a day between the various regulars [22:53:15] No current entries on my check right now for example [22:53:45] Several times ideally, days can be slower and faster of course, especially if we're down 1-2 of the habitual reviewers [22:57:58] They left unfortunately which is why I didn't reply [22:58:37] Figured I'd reply for the record either way :p