[06:31:58] hello [07:09:12] Hello Khrysaetos! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [07:10:51] Hi! I am here because I can't send messages in the Miraheze discord and I'm not sure why. I waited the required 10 mins after joining, but when I try to send any message or bot command I get an error message as if I tried to DM someone who wasn't receiving DMs. Is there something else I need to do to validate my server membership? [07:11:08] Whats your discord username [07:11:34] Khrysaetos#2383 [07:12:04] I dont see anyone on discord with that [07:12:17] Did you go to https://miraheze.org/discord [07:12:18] [url] Miraheze | miraheze.org [07:14:41] Yes, it says I am already a member of the server when I click the invite [07:14:51] Hmm [07:15:20] Can you see the rules channel in the discord [07:15:52] Yep, read and re-read [07:16:04] Is there anything near the bottom of the screen [07:16:07] Where u would type [07:16:26] Yes, there is a text input box, I can type but when I go to send the message I get the error [07:16:41] Try leaving the discord and rejoining [07:17:38] Done, now it's having me wait the 10 mins again [07:18:50] Try now? [07:19:53] perfect! thank you SO much for the quick response and help :) [07:41:38] Hi, dmehus online now? [07:41:49] He's not, he's disconnected from IRC [07:42:04] he is in irc? [07:42:24] @msnhinet8 can i help you [07:42:28] ok, i go to irc search him. [07:42:55] no help, thanks joseph zppix. [07:43:43] He's not on irc [07:44:34] Hello msnhinet8! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [08:22:24] Ok [08:22:51] thanks. [15:23:07] .op [15:23:08] Attempting to OP... [16:05:29] Cyberpower678: fyi, we'll be RO in about 55 minutes for up to 3 hours [16:05:36] expect errors from IA bot [16:50:37] PLEASE SAVE EDITS NOW! [16:51:00] .at 11:00 Read only starts! [16:51:00] Sario: Okay, will remind at 07/Dec/2021 10:59AM [17:00:01] Sario: Read only starts! [18:29:34] rhinosf1 : Yeah, fortunately it is designed to prevent people from losing progress on edits but people might still from closing the browser window or something :( I once heard of someone who lost 2 hours of work due to an edit conflict and didn't know how to merge it so they just gave up [18:30:05] Naleksuh: not long left now [18:30:15] About 25 minutes actual deploying [18:30:19] Then the SQLs [18:30:47] Wait isn't there an hour and a half left for maintenance? [18:30:58] yes we will finish early [18:31:03] I was confused because Sario was measuring in EST, but it started at 9am PST right? [18:31:41] .t [18:31:41] [clock] 07/Dec/2021 12:31PM [18:31:52] ? [18:31:53] I'm in CST [18:32:05] Oh [18:33:58] regarding data loss yeah, I do strongly recommend against working on an important/long text only on-wiki [18:34:04] Naleksuh: we made a lot of improvements since last time [18:34:13] you should either: 1) copy your work before clicking submit 2) use a document before and then paste on wiki [18:34:29] I've had too much lost to site forms to not be doing ^ [18:34:34] rhinosf1 : "last time"? [18:34:37] as many things can happen, even your own internet could go down and give you a "No internet" page and lose all your work [18:34:55] Even if mediawiki and modern forum software tend to behave well for me and reduce the occurrences of early bad experiences :p [18:35:06] When I write something that I'd just hate to have to write again (like I don't know an RfC proposal) I at least hit Ctrl+C before submit [18:36:01] Yeah, never hurts, but is cool [18:36:01] What is "last time" though? [18:36:09] Like, the last time software update? 1.36? [18:40:29] Reception; that might have helped dmehus with his recent attempt to close a request for permissions :p [18:42:05] heh [18:45:32] Speaking of which, Doug hasn't showed up for 3 days now. [18:46:21] he's probably just busy with work [18:46:40] Not showing up because site is read only [18:46:59] Naleksuh: yes [18:47:29] Doug's been gone for rather lengthy periods [18:47:35] Nothing to do unless he rivals the longer ones [18:47:58] September was the longest for him. [18:48:21] I do ask for follow up on the QP discord regarding a revision of CGW's permissions structure, where a half dozen groups can be safely eliminated and is something that could be quite achievably done [20:55:42] I was only joking [20:55:52] Because you cant edit while site is read only (duh, that's the point of it) [20:57:54] i miss doug, but he's been doing things more important than wikis [20:58:34] :BanHammerMH: banned for stating there are more important things than Miraheze [20:58:44] Also, Miraheze is slow for anyone else? [20:58:56] im disintegrated now [20:59:20] yes, it's slow, I think Universal Omega and Rhinos are running some SQL things [20:59:25] Miraheze is absolutely a bit sluggish atm [21:26:13] Cache will hate us [21:27:48] Naleksuh: can you do the twinkle changes for meta too [21:27:53] That you did on testwiki [21:28:09] If you don't have access can you bribe Reception123 or JohnLewis [21:32:04] I thought I already did? [21:32:07] Let me check again... [21:34:09] Yeah, it looks like it's working, what's wrong with it? [21:34:27] Before the jmigrate was going away and that was giving errors, but it seems it's working fine now [21:37:42] Twinkle text is so big 😭 [21:38:36] I'm fairly convinced that the update process broke something(s) related to styling in a few different areas, but it's not consistent across Miraheze [21:38:55] Caching issues perhaps? [21:39:05] I think this happened last time an upgrade happened [21:39:17] I wonder if that purge button would do something for once [21:41:00] Purge button + manual refresh on an affected page with the SocialProfile issue has not changed anything, unfortunately [21:41:19] Naleksuh: JMIGRATE hasn't gone yet [21:41:24] I'm about to remove it [21:45:40] RhinosF1 : Wait, but isn't it already fixed? [21:45:49] Can you remove it on test and see if it works there? [21:45:59] Naleksuh: testwiki has it off [21:46:16] Or any wiki with experimental ticked [21:46:21] Oh, okay, then we should be good [21:46:37] Have the changes you did on test been done on meta though? [21:47:12] Uh, I think so [21:47:21] Actually, wait no [21:47:22] They haven't [21:47:34] Also, I need to update Twinkle anyway for the deprecated token thingy [21:47:45] Just give me a few minute.... [21:48:40] Np [21:48:46] Ping me when ready [21:49:00] It's behind a feature flag so we can control it [21:53:30] May be a while, Miraheze is running slow for me right now.... [22:17:23] Now I am getting 503 service unavailable [22:17:32] Nevermind, I will just test on my own site.... [23:22:00] Twinkle is gone on meta, I'd have helped to fix if I was an interface-admin. [23:23:33] it shouldn't be [23:25:34] The letters are pretty big now, the TW [23:25:42] it just needs a little touch though [23:29:29] who else have noticed that, the redness of the redlinks of non-existent pages are now lighter than before, and the star button at that right edge of a section is now `subscribe` [23:29:29] Just as is on WMF, heh [23:30:48] I've seen that [23:32:19] Plus, there is also an update in the way the DiscussionTools extension looks [23:32:40] A bit different when you click `reply` after signatures [23:41:18] ugochimobi : I'm working on fixing it [23:41:20] Just be patient [23:41:50] oh, nice [23:41:56] we have an interface-admin here [23:41:59] great. [23:42:18] @Naleksuh :) [23:44:05] I've got it working on testing but it'll take a bit to get on Miraheze [23:44:10] Miraheze is sooooo slow right now :( [23:45:17] it sure is [23:47:38] It will eventually get better I hope [23:56:43] No idea if this is even working or if cache is just out [23:56:58] Rhinosf1 : Would ask to cache to CACHE_NONE temporarily, but that would just make the slowneess even worse [23:57:02] Any idea why it is so slow already? [23:57:49] Naleksuh: mw8 hates us and we're struggling to debug [23:57:57] mw8? [23:58:05] And we definately can not set CACHE NONE [23:58:11] One of the servers [23:58:19] Is testwiki on that one? [23:58:20] It's on Debian bullseye [23:58:28] All wikis share the same pool [23:58:40] So any wiki can hit any server [23:58:51] I just meant to clear the ResourceLoader cache [23:58:54] For testwiki [23:58:55] Or devwiki [23:59:05] Yeah devwiki not testwiki [23:59:13] testwiki pulls its Twinkle from devwiki