[08:00:32] So, since Reception123 thinks blocks can't be imported based on reason even though they can, who wants to import open proxy blocks? [08:00:44] Raidarr? [08:05:54] feel free to let us know how to do that then, as I'm not aware of any ways [08:08:12] "us"? [08:08:20] Are these the same imaginary group of people who like reCAPTCHA? [08:09:38] Naleksuh: you mean *manually*? [08:09:47] you do realise that would take months to do [08:10:01] I didn't mean manually, but yes, I would rather do it manually than have reCAPTCHA [08:10:03] Naleksuh: it's completely unreasonable for you to suggest that people don't like recaptcha just because you don't [08:10:20] if they don't they're free to argue that in an RfC, otherwise we're not going to assume people don't like it just because you don't [08:10:46] Only one person has supported reCAPTCHA, and their entire argument was just "I'm fine with Google trackers so that means they should be forced onto everyone" [08:11:08] And no, I didn't mean manually [08:11:41] we've had reCatpcha since 2015, if no one but you has *opposed* it we can't assume everyone opposes it but haven't said anything. If people oppose it they should say so, we can't guess. [08:12:08] WTF! [08:12:20] 2015??? [08:12:22] JESUS CHRIST [08:12:29] All hope in humanity has been lost [08:13:20] Naleksuh: that's when Miraheze was founded yes. You can say what you want, but unless you show us evidence that the community doesn't want ReCaptcha, we won't be removing it based on a single expressed view [08:13:36] As far as I'm aware, no one other than you has suggested removing it [08:13:46] It's not a "single expressed view", it's factual statements on what reCAPTCHA does and why it goes against Miraheze standards [08:16:42] It is still an opinion [09:09:33] The open proxy block list is now ready [09:09:39] It's over 9000 (no, really, 9079) [09:16:45] I don't care how much you think a single view is a factual statement that the platform must recognize [09:17:14] The platform had a significant amount of time to recognize it and you failed to attain traction for it even if you conspicuously made sections in a way to avoid garnering outright opposes [09:17:33] Your reopening is unacceptable and I will close it if it is not closed now already [09:21:12] Except it's not a "view", reCAPTCHA requires JavaScript and proprietary code, that is a fact [09:21:35] Guess that's a no on actually blocking proxies, then [09:22:10] It is both a view and observations that do not necessarily mandate immediate platform action on your personal discretion [09:22:45] if you are the only one out of SRE and the wider community who cares, consider that the issue may not be considered as important as you think [09:25:23] No, still not a view since four minutes ago [09:25:51] What reCAPTCHA can and cannot do is binary, not some artwork piece [09:26:22] Reception123, the proxy list is ready [09:26:44] see my reply here: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Reception123&diff=237373&oldid=237372 [09:26:46] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:Reception123" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [09:27:01] I don't think a GS should be handling something like that, so I would refer to a Steward especially with Raidarr being here [09:27:15] since it is quite a large decision to take as to whether to block an extremely large number of IPS at one [09:27:24] Maybe... [09:27:30] On the bright side, it's over 9000! [09:27:56] Naleksuh: and back to ReCatpcha, that part is a fact, but the part that is opinion is that that is an issue for Miraheze [09:27:56] I've been quite transparent that IP management especially with regards to large scale actions or collateral blocks are not something I'm proficient or confident at all in, so some wait will be necessary for someone with the necessary proficiency, ie Void or Doug to have a closer look [09:28:33] It is still an issue but is 1:28 am here [09:28:40] Good night reception, please remove reCAPTCHA [09:29:09] I would suggest opening a new RfC, as Raidarr says reopening RfCs that are closed should only be done by a Steward, not by regular users, even if you believe the outcome is unfair/incorrect. You can ask a Steward to review the close. [09:29:52] you can ask me to remove ReCaptcha thousands of times but it will not be done without a community view that isn't a single user's view contrary to almost 7 years of using it. [09:29:56] wait blocking proxies? [09:30:10] @Legroom only for users who are not logged in, as is already our policy [09:30:49] [[NOPP]] [09:30:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/NOPP [09:31:57] yeah, that I remember, I don't understand what Naleksuh is meaning [09:32:32] Naleksuh wants us to ban all proxies banned on the WMF [10:49:30] Hello Guest7355! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [17:53:10] Reception123 : Yeah, why not? [17:58:27] what is that a question to? [17:58:41] (i.e. what are you replying to) [18:02:57] I've been noticing Naleksuh has been more aggressive than usual, something I never expected the user to act. [18:03:11] Reception123> Reception Naleksuh wants us to ban all proxies banned on the WMF [18:04:01] Naleksuh: ah. Well, that would be up to Stewards, not me [18:04:16] though I think it would be a good idea if you explained where you got those IPs from /how [18:04:22] JohnLewis: ^ [18:04:25] I already said how I got them [18:19:18] let's throw away people who have to use proxies, being trapped behind digital iron curtain, right /s [18:19:40] which already are limited w/ registration [18:28:38] Traditionally we only block open proxies that have been abused, but nothing prevents it being done preventatively I guess. Though, I wouldn't personally be blocking IPs I haven't checked myself based on a list. Another steward may however [18:55:41] If you send me the list (preferably in a pastebin or text file) I can review the list, though it might take me a bit to actually process it [18:58:28] hi, what is the language of new . wikipedia. org ? i think is from india [18:59:01] New Wikipedia? [18:59:21] i don't remember seeing anything on the new projects list [19:00:21] example: https://new.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sidebar_with_collapsible_lists [19:00:22] [wikipedia] Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists | "" [19:00:25] new is the language code for Nepal Bhasa; Newari [19:00:39] Oh, ok. Newari language [19:00:58] Oh you meant new.wp.o [19:01:04] I thought you meant a new Wikipedia [19:01:18] ;) this is exactly what happened to me when they asked for that DNS entry [19:02:08] english wikipedia have a sidebar based on Lua, this one has an old copy that uses still wikitext. I was wondering from where is one template NimoStar imported into tuscriaturas [19:02:14] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages [19:02:14] [url] Requests for new languages - Meta | meta.wikimedia.org [19:03:54] those language codes are the "ISO 639 1–3 code". You can google for that and general search forms like this https://iso639-3.sil.org/code_tables/639/data [19:03:55] [url] ISO 639 Code Tables | ISO 639-3 | iso639-3.sil.org [19:04:19] for a new Wikipedia language to be accepted they HAVE to have a code in that ISO per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy [19:04:19] [url] Language proposal policy - Meta | meta.wikimedia.org [19:04:43] RhinosF1: how do I properly address a user on the other side of the bridge ?:) [19:04:52] can't tab complete :P [19:04:55] You cant with spaces [19:04:56] and it's a long name [19:04:59] Pings don't work [19:05:14] Unless you know the @name#code [19:05:15] ugh, ok, at least then I know I dont have to try "manually" copy/pasting [19:05:32] hey Discord users, this is why it sucks, come back :) [19:47:59] i'm still on discord [19:51:20] did you see my link and comment about the ISO 639-3? [19:51:35] it's hard to tell sometimes whether Discord sees you or not [19:51:55] makes support so much harder [19:52:10] without directly addressing people / feedback [20:00:52] is difficult to see if people are on the other side [22:09:26] Hi. Someone knows if i can make a DPL query to search all pages that contain a common word? [22:10:19] And exclude the pages that don't contain it from the list. Is key to be able to exclude the rest from the DPL [22:11:16] I can't find it in the help pages i translated to spanish: https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Ayuda:DPL/Controlar_el_volumen_de_salida#include [22:11:20] [url] Ayuda:DPL/Controlar el volumen de salida - Bestiario del Hypogripho | tuscriaturas.miraheze.org