[04:58:45] Who are the GCs for the #miraheze namespace? [05:42:27] Hello xtexChooser! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [07:52:46] Anyone knows who Miraheze GCs are? [07:52:52] Need a channel dropped in 8 minutes [08:04:55] what are GCs? [08:05:27] and what does it have to do with channels? [09:13:44] [discord] If you mean the people who manage the irc channels on libera for miraheze, I'm fairly sure John is one of them [09:34:04] John is indeed. [09:34:18] but I'm not sure what channel you'd need dropped in 8 minutes precisely? [10:21:45] [discord] suffice to say that timeline is unlikely to have gone through :p [11:02:00] [discord] man can someone help me fix this fucking page https://novaostrovia.miraheze.org/wiki/Pogoria [11:02:01] [discord] @Comisâr Mwncof Watch your language. [11:02:01] [url] Pogoria - Nova Ostrovia | novaostrovia.miraheze.org [11:02:24] [discord] I have hardly any time due to work and all the things I have tried are not working [11:38:32] [discord] Fixed the errors for you [11:39:19] [discord] thanks man [11:39:28] [discord] But you need the following templates/modules imported; [11:39:30] [discord] - Module:Country extract [11:39:31] [discord] - Template:Pogoria topics [11:39:32] [discord] - Template:Largest cities of Pogoria [11:39:33] [discord] - Template:DecreasePositive [11:40:02] [discord] Mind you, importing template and modules from Wikipedia is not really advisable for inexperienced editors [11:44:16] [discord] where should I get them instead [12:18:33] [discord] I have so many answers to this [12:18:37] [discord] Make one yourself [12:19:08] [discord] If you can't , look for a miraheze wiki that uses that template that you want and see if it's clean over here, if it is, import is [12:19:42] [discord] For example, if I'm getting a template frok wp, I must get it to work, otherwise I wont import it at all [12:20:23] [discord] So either ways, make one yourself should be better answer then if you can't, you can now look for a miraheze wiki that uses it and it's clean them your can ask for import [12:20:54] [discord] Some clean templates are also located at [[templatewiki:]] [12:20:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/templatewiki: [12:20:55] [discord] [12:20:56] [url] Template Wiki, a repository of MediaWiki templates. | template.miraheze.org [12:21:06] [discord] I see [12:21:52] [discord] :P [12:23:06] [discord] thanks [12:23:37] [discord] Np [17:45:23] Hello bleb! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [19:18:45] JohnLewis [19:18:58] Hi [19:24:13] Are you a Miraheze GC? [19:24:55] [discord] John and ndk are gc [19:25:41] Afaik NDK isn't anymore after he resigned as steward? [19:25:44] but I'm quite confused about that [19:26:44] we should probably make it clear who the GC(s) are/is on [[IRC]] [19:26:44] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/IRC [19:27:13] Naleksuh: Yeah [19:27:20] Reception123: GCs should be listed already [19:27:24] OK [19:27:44] Reception123: hidden but https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/IRC/Group [19:27:45] [url] IRC/Group - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:28:16] JohnLewis: ah [19:48:54] RhinosF1, Naleksuh noted it's been three months as of yesterday, since he requested MirahezeBots initiate a process to consider a rename of the project, in part, presumably, on MirahezeBots expanding the scope of its services to provide service to Fosshost. Are you able to provide an updated timeframe on when this can be expected? [19:49:17] I didn't "request" they rename in 3 months [19:49:23] Three months was your idea, I suggested 1 week [19:50:11] dmehus: I don't think we ever publicly agreed to a date [19:50:15] Naleksuh, that's fair. I thought 1 week was too short and considered 3 months to be a reasonable timeline [19:50:38] RhinosF1, okay, can we agree on something publicly now, since it's becoming a recurring issue? [19:50:39] i believe we said we'd consider it and I said I'd rather when we changed we moved to something legally valid [19:50:54] which won't happen until probably September [19:51:18] It doesn't really matter when they agree, Miraheze has the right to protect its trademark and what it is hosting [19:51:22] I no longer see how renaming the project is contingent on codifying our legal structure and using our own NDA, though, for the record [19:51:43] Miraheze isn't a trademark [19:51:59] They have already had 9 months to rename, asking for another 6 is completely unreasonable [19:52:21] to the best of my knowledge, any project can occupy a channel on the #miraheze namespace provided that they follow the CoC [19:52:40] so there is no rush to kick the bots project off -bots [19:52:55] Agent : There are several steps involved [19:53:12] I agree the former will take much longer than the latter [19:53:29] I think the Board should probably make such decisions [19:53:36] and indeed, there is no trademark. [19:54:02] Agent, that's absolutely true, and MirahezeBots can continue to use `bots.miraheze.org` indefinitely, also. I would, note, though there's procedural lack of clarification and users assume MirahezeBots is a Miraheze service because of the shared affinity [19:54:39] dmehus: our ToU makes it explicitly clear that isn't not a Miraheze service and is a community ran project [19:54:43] While there's no trademark, Miraheze Limited has inherent rights to use the name "Miraheze" as an incorporated UK entity. MirahezeBots was formed after incorporation, so can't claim any sort of prior art-like rationale [19:55:08] RhinosF1, actually it doesn't. When I login to MirahezeBots shell access, it says my use is subject to [[Terms of Use]] :) [19:55:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use [19:55:14] As I say, if we are to restrict the use of the name I think the Board should decide rather [19:55:29] (which, of course, is not accurate) [19:55:32] dmehus: it says our ToU doesn't it [19:55:41] RhinosF1, nope [19:55:56] Probably an oversight, but should be corrected [19:56:10] Yes it should [19:56:13] That's not valid [19:56:29] I'm not sure where to fix that...if changed locally, or through GitHub? [19:56:34] Github [19:56:37] ah, ok [19:56:43] It's in puppet under modules/motd [19:56:47] oh [19:56:49] thanks :) [19:56:58] our actual ToU, mirahezebots.org/terms does say it [19:57:09] yeah [19:57:14] that's what we should link to [19:57:19] It doesn't really matter, as said above Miraheze has the right to protect their name and they were given a very clear timeframe in advance, there is no need for Miraheze Bots to "consider" it as they were *told* to in advance [19:57:22] If the community actually cared, I'd be more bothered about moving to a new name [19:57:34] so why even is MirahezeBots supposed to be renamed? [19:57:49] chrs : Because they are using the name to impersonate Miraheze [19:57:49] chrs: Naleksuh despises us and holds a grudge in short [19:57:55] Naleksuh: "has the right to protect their name and they were given a very clear timeframe in advance" yeah but that wasn't given by the Board who represents Miraheze. [19:57:57] we aren't impersonating anyone [19:58:24] it's not hidden at all what our position is [19:58:43] neither has it been hidden that we do want to form a legal entity at some point [19:59:11] we had a plan that would allow it but that collapsed because the holding conservancy never actually formed [19:59:36] RhinosF1, I can't merge that repo, of course, https://github.com/MirahezeBots/puppet/pull/277 [19:59:36] [url] Correct ToU by dmehus · Pull Request #277 · MirahezeBots/puppet · GitHub | github.com [19:59:53] and no one since has wanted to hold the authority, if no one wants to before September, then I will be pursuing it as I'll be in a better position [20:00:28] dmehus: merged [20:01:00] MacFan4000, RhinosF1, thanks [20:01:37] RhinosF1, I'm potentially willing to hold legal authority, but I'd need to check with Owen to ensure there would be no conflicts in doing so with my Miraheze Limited NDA [20:01:54] dmehus, you definitely do not want to do that [20:01:57] dmehus: I have no issue with that [20:02:24] Naleksuh Why can't he? :/ [20:02:25] if you want to, then we can start putting stuff to paper [20:02:29] RhinosF1, thanks. Naleksuh, oh? What do you foresee as the main issues with that? [20:02:41] darkmatterman450 : I didn't say they can't, I said they shouldn't [20:02:53] Naleksuh: why do you think that [20:03:05] I definitely would want to examine all the issues before doing so, based on what others and also Owen say [20:04:26] has the Board said anything about the trademarks? [20:04:32] It actually baffles me that we're still bringing up the MirahezeBots situation. I mean, if MirahezeBots were to retire, who would take its place? [20:04:44] darkmatterman450, it would not retire [20:04:59] It would continue, and continue serving Miraheze IRC channels with bot services [20:05:01] dmehus Precisely. It wouldn't really make much sense anyway. [20:05:15] All that would change is that its brand name would not include the name 'Miraheze' in it [20:05:22] dmehus : Uh, what "services"? [20:05:38] And yes, MirahezeBot is (hopefully?) being replaced soon [20:05:57] Naleksuh, the Discord/IRC bot relay (mhbridgebot), MirahezeBot, StreamBot-read/StreamBotMH-read [20:06:10] question the sitemap is submtted to goolge last year arouns 2/2/22 i think has not done much but slowed down, what would be the best option [20:06:18] i submitted" [20:06:32] Ah, now I see why Naleksuh was trying to say, but it's been quite an annoyance throughout the past week to the point where I think it would cross the line. [20:06:44] dmehus : Services, not bot names [20:07:06] s/why/what [20:07:06] darkmatterman450 meant to say: Ah, now I see what Naleksuh was trying to say, but it's been quite an annoyance throughout the past week to the point where I think it would cross the line. [20:07:26] Naleksuh, okay, I don't mean services in the sense of a Linux service "service." I mean in the sense of providing certain bot services, described by the bot names above [20:07:35] hi dmehus long time no see [20:07:42] hey Cocopuff2018 :) [20:07:51] have not seen you in a few months [20:08:17] Cocopuff2018, I've been around, but yeah you haven't been as active, at least on IRC/on-wiki [20:08:24] will get to your DMs shortly btw [20:09:08] dmehus : I wasn't aware of anything MirahezeBot did besides a very poorly made welcome bot and .op/.deop commands [20:09:10] i been working on moviepedia) and a little bit of other work) but with school and other things it slowed down how active i am [20:09:41] Naleksuh: mhbridgebot and the feed-* channels are us too [20:10:16] ya know the search engine at miraheze has been getting worst at indexing [20:10:19] Naleksuh, yes, all the IRC RC feeds are provided by MirahezeBot through StreamBotMH. Through StreamBotMH-read, it parses data provided by MirahezeRC and relays, via StreamBotMH, the feed channels. It also provides the IRC/Discord relay [20:10:51] Okay [20:10:57] MirahezeRC is operated by Miraheze SRE, as are MirahezeLSBot and MirahezeLogbot [20:11:00] Fortunately, most of that stuff should be pretty easy to replace [20:12:57] Those with the hostmask `*!*@miraheze/bots` are operated by Miraheze SRE, while those with `*!*@miraheze/MirahezeBots` are operated by MirahezeBots, which makes it clear enough, I think, potentially [20:13:12] Those are almost identical [21:25:16] Naleksuh: I have sent 2 documents to the team to help move this forward and agree actual legal steps to how we'll move forward [21:25:46] No, you were supposed to be finished by yesterda [21:27:20] Well we can't change the past [21:27:29] We'll provide updates where we can [21:27:44] but we're actually going to have serious negotiations this time [21:28:26] You first had 5 months from July to December, when you didn't meet this you were graciously given 3 more [21:28:26] So 9 months (5+3=9 due to rounding months) have gone by with no progress [21:28:43] Sure, if you start renaming that's cool, but Miraheze can go forward with their original plans [21:34:20] Miraheze never had any original plans [21:34:22] You did [21:34:43] We had original plans to form something last year [21:34:53] but that fell through as I've said [21:35:01] We're in a much better position now [21:49:03] [discord] when they are supposed to do what is not something you are in a position to state Naleksuh, they will do it when they do and if someone with proper authority/the community in more than one pushing person incentivizes them to [21:49:25] Fortunately, I wasn't the one who stated it, raidarr [21:49:30] In fact, I suggested one week [21:49:40] I thought 3 months was far too long, but funnily enough they didn't even meet that [21:49:42] [discord] immaterial who started it or what you suggested, the point remains [21:50:43] We'll have to wait for the agreement to be signed between those that want to be directors [21:51:48] I have asked a few people to sign terms of negotiation which hopefully will quickly proceed to a quick agreement. [21:52:25] The terms indicates we'll let people know once we make the negotiations formal [23:12:43] [discord] Naleksuh, yes what started as a simple irc infobot back when I first joined Miraheze, has turned into a full blown collection of projects now 😛 back when i first started mirahezebots (then ZppixBot) i never thought it would ever end up like it is today with how big and how integrated it is now into mh [23:13:14] I don't think it's that integrated [23:13:21] It could easily just go away and I wouldn't even notice [23:13:36] Regardless, it's a problem for Misc Bots to solve, not Miraheze [23:14:58] [discord] **you** wouldnt notice, I bet a noticeable amount of others would, mhbots does everything from channel management on irc to relaying RC feeds [23:15:59] The good news though is that all those can and will be replaced [23:18:18] [discord] I don't see why they should be though