[00:54:21] <potassium>	 ok I'm back online
[00:54:21] <MirahezeBot>	 [tell] potassium: 2022-03-29 - 21:45:18UTC <chrs> tell potassium .
[00:54:32] <potassium>	 for a bit- also ok
[00:55:01] <potassium>	 what
[00:55:45] <potassium>	 what is it chrs
[00:58:00] <potassium>	 chrs
[00:58:49] <potassium>	 14ok nvm ima leave now 1415bye15
[04:25:14] <potassium>	 this has- and it looks like someone joined. anyway, the current text file for March 30th (from their time) wasn't that much, so i will now send this message to fill some of it.
[05:58:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> it is March 30 here too
[09:18:44] <MirahezeBot>	 Hello Guest23! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon.
[09:19:01] <Guest23>	 ASSALAMUALAIKUM
[09:20:15] <Guest23>	 আমি শরিফ বি. মাহমুদ বাংলাদেশ থেকে বলছি। আমি WIKIYRI.ORG নামে একটি ওয়েবসাইট তৈরি করতে আগ্রহী। তবে আপনাদের সাথে হোস্ট করার মাধ্যমে।
[09:20:34] <Guest23>	 আমি এর আগেও মিডিয়াউইকি ব্যবহার করে ওয়েবসাইট তৈরি করেছি।
[09:21:34] <Guest23>	 English : I am SORIF B. MAHMU from Bangladesh. I am interested in creating a website called WIKIYRI.ORG But by hosting with you.
[09:22:06] <Guest23>	 English : I have created websites using MediaWiki before.
[09:22:53] <Guest23>	 Please Approve My wikiyri.miraheze.org website.
[09:58:55] <Guest23>	 ASSALAMUALAIKUM
[09:59:59] <darkmatterman450>	 Huh?
[12:55:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> Well, I'd like to inquire something about one blocked user
[12:55:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> Any cvts here?
[12:56:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> #ID:443926951292567562
[12:57:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> That's usually for reporting and/or asking questions in regards to user reports.
[12:57:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> #ID:615786602454581249
[12:57:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> I replied there
[12:58:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> Cvt is used to communicate with cvt not just reports
[12:58:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I see
[13:07:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> we also use it to chat informally about meta things from time to time, so it's what it needs to be really :p
[13:07:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> I know that.
[15:14:53] <Guest51>	 can checkusers be local only
[15:15:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Guest51 No.
[15:15:08] <Guest51>	 oh yeah
[15:15:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It’s a possibility for one to be elected to local CheckUser
[15:15:24] <Guest51>	 so when can i appeal
[15:15:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Only Stewards, System administrators and Trust & Safety Team members may have access to this tool iirc.
[15:15:48] <Guest51>	 k
[15:15:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> you can also be elected to a local CheckUser
[15:15:55] <Guest51>	 oh
[15:16:03] <Guest51>	 but when can i appeal my lock
[15:16:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Sounds more like something that would occur on Wikipedia.
[15:16:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I think Doug told you in like a month?
[15:16:30] <Guest51>	 oh yeah
[15:16:41] <Guest51>	 but can i pick the acccount i want unlocked
[15:16:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Indeed but you can also be elected to local CheckUser on Miraheze \:)
[15:16:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Guest51: potentially
[15:16:59] <Guest51>	 k
[15:17:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but that’d be up to a Steward to decide
[15:17:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> How is that even possible? I thought only Stewards and the other 2 advanced permissions can have access to this tool on Miraheze, no?
[15:17:53] <Guest51>	 h
[15:18:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Guest51 Preferably I'm more used to you using your Octahedron foundation account.
[15:18:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Read [[CheckUser]]
[15:18:35] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/CheckUser
[15:18:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/CheckUser>
[15:18:36] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] CheckUser - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[15:18:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> > In order for the user group to be granted, the appointment criteria for election as a Steward must be met.
[15:18:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You can also run for local Oversighter too
[15:19:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> I understand that part, but that wouldn't be granted under any normal circumstances unless it's heavily required or suggested.
[15:19:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Well if it’s the will of the community, a Steward could grant it
[15:20:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> But keep in mind they basically need to fulfill the requirements for Steward in order to gain local CU/OS
[15:20:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> So 20 unique votes with a support ratio of 80%
[15:20:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and an NDA
[15:21:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Well, I do recall seeing an RfC in regards to the usage of the tool, and it was a failure at the time.
[15:21:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That RfC was unrelated to current policy. I think the proposer argued that bureaucrats should get automatic CU/OS or something similar
[15:21:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Yes, that's it.
[15:21:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Thats pretty silly lol
[15:25:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> I would run a CheckUser on myself on the testwiki (no, not the one on Miraheze, but rather a different Test Wiki). The extension can also pick up the usage of the Special:Thanks tool, aside from login attempts, and the Special:EmailUser page.
[15:29:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> For some reason, https://testwiki.wiki/wiki doesn't seem to work.
[15:31:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> to be quite frank, I would only grant local CU/oversight as a Steward in incredibly limited circumstances even if there is a vote by a certain number of people
[15:31:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> it has to be a somewhat large community with a clearly demonstrated need
[15:31:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> iirc the user by policy also needs an NDA
[15:31:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I wouldn't  grant it to a user without one anyway
[15:31:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> They need to fulfill the requirements of Steward
[15:31:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> so yeah
[15:32:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It’s never been done and policy is vague so we’ll have to see one day if that ever happens
[15:32:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> for all intents and purposes the 'local' contingency is irrelevant
[15:33:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> you'd be more likely to see a properly authorized global sysop get the capacity as an emergency measure, rare as that too would be
[15:34:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> would be interesting to see that clause in the Stewards policy be invoked
[15:35:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> as interesting as seeing an actual successful election for local CU/OS
[15:54:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> if I recall, it's been stated that local CU/OS requires that the CU/OS workload on that particular wiki overwhelm the Stewards' capacity
[15:55:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> There are various conventions regarding it that might be applied should the time be right but we’ll see then
[16:44:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> basically only appropriate if idk, someone pulled up a thousand proxies, which admittedly one lta has come close >.>
[16:45:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> though the line between an sre solution and mass cu isn't very wide
[17:18:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Hi - I'm an administrator of a miraheze wiki whose wiki creator (and only person with full permissions) has been uncontactable for about a year now. I was wondering how to set up a local community vote so that I can get some additional permissions and fully manage the wiki.
[17:18:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Hi - I'm an administrator of a miraheze wiki whose wiki creator (and only person with full permissions) has been uncontactable for about a year now. I was wondering how to set up a local community vote so that I can get some additional permissions and fully manage / take over the wiki. (edited)
[17:20:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> how active is the local community?
[17:21:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Which wiki is it?
[17:21:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> https://mkdd.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[17:21:26] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Custom Mario Kart: Double Dash Wiki!! | mkdd.miraheze.org
[17:21:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Recently, there have been a bunch of edits a day with a bunch of new users joining.
[17:23:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A simple election can take place in a prominent place (say, the talk page of the main page) and the election can simply read something like "I want the bureaucrat right because X, Y, Z, etc." (perhaps this may serve as a good example: <https://chromeball.miraheze.org/wiki/Talk:Chromeball_Wiki>) and then you can ask that a Steward add a sitenotice informing the local community that an election is going on if you can't make t
[17:23:16] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Talk:Chromeball Wiki - Chromeball Wiki | chromeball.miraheze.org
[17:23:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Thank you!
[17:24:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A simple election can take place in a prominent place (say, the talk page of the main page) and the election can simply read something like "I want the bureaucrat right because X, Y, Z, etc." (perhaps this may serve as a good example: <https://chromeball.miraheze.org/wiki/Talk:Chromeball_Wiki>) and then you can ask that a Steward add a sitenotice informing the local community that an election is going on if you can't make t
[17:24:03] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Talk:Chromeball Wiki - Chromeball Wiki | chromeball.miraheze.org
[17:24:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No problem
[17:24:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> since you're a local sysop you can do the sitenotice yourself
[17:24:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> indeed
[17:24:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> at MediaWiki:Sitenotice
[17:24:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Is there a tutorial on how to do that?
[17:25:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> take a look at how it's done right here: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit&oldid=238995
[17:25:04] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] View source for MediaWiki:Sitenotice - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[17:25:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> you won't need anything too complex
[17:25:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Just go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice, and add something like `<big><b>An election for bureaucrat is occuring at X</b></big>`
[17:25:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> doesn't have to be anything too fancy
[17:26:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Thank you.
[17:26:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Do I need any special formatting for the vote?
[17:26:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Thank you.
[17:26:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Do I need any special formatting for the vote / election? (edited)
[17:26:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Or can I just ask people to edit the talk page with their vote?
[17:26:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Just make it something readable but I've seen votes take place that look more like discussions with no special formatting
[17:27:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I linked an example in case you wanted to do something a bit more snazzy
[17:28:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> I will take a look at it, thanks.
[17:28:59] <MirahezeBot>	 Hello Stecca6663! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon.
[17:32:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> not to 'toss' the above conversation, but in fact there is nothing at a permissions level that hosting an election would give  you
[17:33:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> I am hoping that people will vote in favor, so I can then make a case on the Steward's noticeboards.
[17:33:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> huh yeah, `sysop` has `managewiki`
[17:33:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> In all likelihood, the vote will go through.
[17:34:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Your rationale is not needed because locally assigned you have `managewiki` right as an administrator (and in fact the only administrator), and managewiki is the highest possible permission at a local level. There is nothing within the community you cannot do, and as the sole member of the local administration with no explicit policies defining your limitations, thus you have the de facto jurisdiction to do whatever is ne
[17:34:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> You can of course proceed and allow there to be a semantic hierarchy, but in terms of having permissions it is not necessary and if administrators have managewiki, the bureaucrat bit itself is actually redundant unless it's used as a hierarchial  term
[17:34:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> I tried to do some research, and in order to edit interwiki links, you need bureaucraft first.
[17:35:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> And I can't give myself bureuaucrat currently.
[17:35:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> you are correct in that only bureaucrats (typically) can *request* interwiki changes, but to do it yourself is an entirely different permission you cannot assign yourself
[17:35:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That's different, interwiki prefixes are managed by interwiki administrators here on Miraheze
[17:35:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> having `managewiki` access fufills the requirement for getting elected to local  `interwiki-admin`
[17:35:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Are there no local interwiki links?
[17:36:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Are there no local, like wiki-specific interwiki links? (edited)
[17:36:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> the fact you are the only admin on deck and have managewiki should fully qualify you to request changes
[17:36:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> and to be able to do it yourself requires a different election
[17:36:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> there are, they're just managed, for the most part, by global users
[17:36:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> In any case, IWAs have the discretion of being able to process interwiki prefixes in certain situations without needing the local bureaucrat
[17:36:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> So if you need an interwiki prefix added, go to #interwiki-requests and request them
[17:37:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> You can either:
[17:37:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> 1. Request changes to interwiki linking either on the Community noticeboard on Meta, or on #interwiki-requests, or
[17:37:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> 2. Start a local election for `interwiki-admin` on that wiki, which will allow you to do the changes yourself
[17:37:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> unless you expect to be making lots of changes, it's recommended to just as in #interwiki-requests
[17:37:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> per above you really already have full management capability over the wiki, especially with the fact the bureaucrat is inactive and the fact it's set up in a way that subverts normal procedure
[17:38:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Policy requires you be a bureaucrat to get local IWA and that's hard coded so I don't know if you can get local IWA without bureaucrat
[17:38:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> does it say bureaucrat and no one else, I don't recall that
[17:39:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> especially since in this case, the management structure is not conventional nor are the circumstances usual
[17:39:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> So right now, I can't add others to the "administrator" group. Do I need to edit administrator permission to allow administrators to add other administrators?
[17:39:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> So right now, I can't add others to the "administrator" group. Do I need to edit administrator permissions to allow administrators to add other administrators? (edited)
[17:39:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> So right now, I can't add others to the "administrator" group. Do I need to edit administrator permissions to allow administrators to add other administrators? (edited)
[17:39:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> You can edit the administrator permission, especially since you're the only one on deck
[17:39:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> it does say you need `bureaucrat`, but having `managewiki` generally counts as being a bureaucrat
[17:39:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> having managewiki I believe is sufficient in this case
[17:39:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> One could argue that, I suppose
[17:40:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and if Steward consensus is for that then sure
[17:40:30] <potassium>	 hmmm nice a disconnect the cord convo
[17:40:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> and to be quite honest,  you have enough permissions and local reach that I would not take issue with  you simply setting yourself up to have bureaucrat as the only primary operator and since you already have the maximum permissions a local user can have without global election/intervention
[17:40:39] <Stecca6663>	 epic
[17:40:50] <chrs>	 and one that's mirrored here
[17:40:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> from here
[17:41:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> I may do the election just so I know how they operate and for the hierarchical organization. It is good to know my option tho.
[17:41:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> I may do the election just so I know how they operate and for the hierarchical organization. It is good to know my options tho. (edited)
[17:42:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> An election would be best
[17:42:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> semantically, it would help yes
[17:43:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tarsa> Thanks for all the help - I will try to get everything set up asap.
[18:32:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> by the way, I think MH should disallow links to cryptowallets
[18:32:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> (or to NFTs)
[18:44:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> that would be an RfC, I think
[19:26:48] <Reception123>	 @raidarr you mean on-wiki or Discord?
[19:27:06] <Reception123>	 The former would I think be difficult to implement and I'm not sure why we would globally?
[19:27:14] <Reception123>	 so I definitely assume you mean DIscord
[19:27:20] <Reception123>	 (due to spam/scams)
[19:27:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> well, I guess it depends which place he means to disallow the links on
[19:27:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> technically, mh mostly already does that since there's only a very limited whitelist of permitted links
[19:27:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> (on discord)
[19:29:34] <Reception123>	 Actually forget what I said about implementing, I wasn't thinking, it would be super easy
[19:29:53] <Reception123>	 but I can't think of strong reasons for a blanket ban on wiki