[04:11:31] <ApexAgunomu>	 Hello
[07:05:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> mfe purting 2 paragraphs before infobox?
[07:08:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> how the page is written?
[07:08:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> `{{infobox}}
[07:08:37] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:infobox 
[07:08:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> first paragraph ...
[07:08:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> 
[07:08:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sexond paragraph ...` ?
[07:08:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> how the page is written?
[07:08:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> `{{infobox}}
[07:08:46] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:infobox 
[07:08:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> first paragraph ...
[07:08:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> 
[07:08:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> second paragraph ...` ? (edited)
[07:10:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> or
[07:10:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> `first paragraph...
[07:10:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> {{infobox}}
[07:10:04] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:infobox 
[07:10:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> 
[07:10:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> second paragraph...`?
[07:10:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> damnit bot
[07:10:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> For me:
[07:10:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> ```
[07:11:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> {{Infobox example
[07:11:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> | foo = bar
[07:11:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> }}
[07:11:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> First paragraph ...
[07:11:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> 
[07:11:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> Second paragraph ...
[07:11:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> ```
[07:11:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> always do the same way
[07:12:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I don't know how mfe exactly make this thing work, but in second case it's not an error for it, it's just how it works, seeing a paragraph after infobox
[07:13:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> if you add another template at the beginning, but infobox still before actual article, it will move around only first paragraph
[07:13:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> Oh.
[07:13:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> I think I know the issue.
[07:14:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> Single new line won't be treat as a new paragraph.
[07:15:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> (If that's the issue.)
[07:15:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I guess I'm too hooked on source editor, realizing that new empty line has to be added after template
[07:16:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> if it's not a div w/ float
[07:16:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> if it's not a div w/o float or table (edited)
[07:19:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> still confused lol
[07:20:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I don't know how mfe exactly make this thing work, but in second case it doesn't seem to be an error for it, it's just how it works, seeing a paragraph after infobox (edited)
[07:22:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> I think it related to these configuration variables (default values):
[07:22:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> ```php
[07:22:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> MFShowFirstParagraphBeforeInfobox['base'] = true;
[07:22:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> MFShowFirstParagraphBeforeInfobox['beta'] = true;
[07:22:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> MFNamespacesWithLeadParagraphs = [ 0 ];
[07:22:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> ```
[11:03:55] <MirahezeBot>	 Hello Guest28! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon.
[11:04:14] <Guest28>	 i need a account
[11:04:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> are you getting an error?
[11:05:15] <Guest28>	 not
[11:06:04] <Guest28>	 i try create account but i cannot skip chaptcha
[11:06:45] <Guest28>	 so i need a account
[12:18:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> why are you skipping captcha?
[12:22:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Just curious, why there a Fandom staff here?
[12:32:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> well we don't have him formally verified as such, but I imagine he might be curious
[12:32:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Fandom's discord/platform also has a number of high up miraheze volunteers :p
[12:34:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> yo
[12:35:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> what's guest28 should do again? email @ stewards?
[12:35:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> cvt@ or stewards yeah
[12:35:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I'd like to see him live though
[12:35:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> he strikes me as familiar
[12:35:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Ohk
[12:35:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sure
[12:36:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> I hope they aren’t from Fandom, I really hate Fandom staff
[12:36:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I keep forgetting what to advice to such users lol
[12:37:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> well I don't think every single one of them is that bad, or is even privy to what others do - especially cross language ops
[12:37:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> in fact there's a couple who've done decently in my experience
[12:38:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sure, I just keep forgetting what to advice to such users lol (edited)
[12:38:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Oh
[12:39:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> But I hate 0 trust on them nowadays
[12:39:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> as specially English staff. They are one of the worst
[12:40:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> well they certainly have policies that exclude a good number of uses/users
[12:40:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I ended up on miraheze because I had grand ideas of trying to coordinate content for a franchise on fandom and it didn't go well at all, nor can I think of another way it would work
[12:41:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> a more obscure one I should say, had an odd 5 various wikis
[12:44:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> @Legroom @Winston Sung yeah, that's the issue, a single newline after the infobox means it doesn't treat the first paragraph as the first paragraph, it thinks the second paragraph is the first. But, Infobox, single newline, other template, single newline, first paragraph works. This is a serious problem because you get "second paragraph, Infobox, first" on mobile when the lead paragraph transposing works.
[12:44:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> 
[12:44:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> The reason it's odd is bc this isn't a problem on, say, Wikipedia articles. There, single newline doesn't force mfe to skip over the first paragraph.
[12:46:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> @Ugochimobi Oh? Did you manage to get it fixed? What caused it?
[12:48:26] <ugochimobi>	 @Genathan hum, I think back then it was something with the infobox and also something with the mobile front end
[12:48:38] <ugochimobi>	 I can't remember vividly
[14:24:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> I'm not a paid staff.
[14:24:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> > Fandom ZH Team is a zh (Mandarin Chinese language) community which consists of Fandom ZH Community Central Crew members.
[14:26:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> I think the issue might related to your templates, which should able to be fixed by adding a new line between the template code and `<noinclude>`.
[14:28:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> TL;DR:
[14:28:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> We are volunteers.
[14:28:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> Fandom ZH Team is a group/community of volunteers.
[14:28:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> fair enough
[14:28:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> lovely
[14:33:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> And I'm here mainly to support ZH Polandball Wiki, which was forced-migrated to Miraheze.
[14:34:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No worries, no hostility here from us. I’m sure you know well that Fandom Staff and Miraheze regularly works tougher to support wikis so we’re on amicable relations \:)
[14:34:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No worries, no hostility here from us. I’m sure you know well that Fandom Staff and Miraheze regularly works together to support wikis so we’re on amicable relations \:) (edited)
[14:35:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> (Also getting/looking for some news here.)
[17:44:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> The problem with THAT solution is that any articles that DO have a double newline under the template will now render a blank line at the top of the article. Adding the newline into the template is more of a patch than addressing whatever the underlying problem is.
[17:45:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> Because the transposing shouldn't need the double newline, per the way it works at other wikis.
[17:50:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> Oh...
[17:50:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Winston Sung> Then I have no idea about how to fix it perfectly.
[17:50:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> no worries, no worries, it seems to be a super esoteric problem 😅
[22:14:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Oh ok. I taught you were support staff 😅 that Fandom user usually contact for help or report stuff