[00:22:57] @aAgent [00:22:59] @Agent [00:24:47] [discord] Hi Naleksuh, what's up? [00:24:55] Why are you not on IRC [00:25:26] [discord] Probably because IRCCloud disconnected me for inactivity [00:25:35] Oh [00:25:41] I just wanted to ask how Miraheze 2 was coming along [00:32:30] [discord] Are you referring to Betaheze? [00:32:58] No you said you were going to put donations towards making Miraheze faster instead [00:33:22] [discord] We are, indeed [00:34:56] Any plans? [00:35:03] Also why are you still not on IRC? I dont like the bridge [01:42:00] [discord] I can personally attest that sre is downloading more ram at this moment [01:42:20] [discord] downloadram.miraheze.org 😉 [02:08:17] Why is there a downloadramwiki [02:08:43] Oh and this is Zppix's wiki [04:27:42] [discord] is a 0.88 approval score good [04:28:33] Several people support the removal of the AI. I'd just ignore it [05:14:57] BrandonWM: I've reverted your close as the RfC policy doesn't allow for such withdrawals [05:15:13] in the future I'd also suggest you leave your draft open for more time and advertise it on CN to give people a chance to make corrections/add proposals [05:38:50] Reception123: Oh [05:39:20] To be fair, a) John already made a statement debunking all proposals and b) it’s doomed to fail [05:39:32] its not like there was a chance it’d pass [05:39:49] yes, but that's up to Stewards to determine [05:40:10] the policy says the initiator can't withdraw if there's support votes [05:40:28] and John just said that they wouldn't be binding, not that they need to be immediately closed [05:40:32] better question is, why would you download ram when you could download more ram [05:40:47] ignore that [05:40:59] :D [05:42:26] Lmfao [05:43:38] I feel like for a weekend at somepoint, Miraheze should just be shutdown [05:43:52] why? [05:43:56] Everyone take a break, especially all SRE [05:44:15] Some companies will give their employees mental health days [05:44:22] we could try something like that [05:44:28] well all SRE can take breaks whenever they wish [05:44:37] and companies who do that don't usually completely shut down for a day [05:44:48] everyone I know on SRE has taken breaks over the year [05:44:58] Meta I mean [05:45:02] not Miraheze [05:45:29] still, that's not reasonable either [05:45:35] SRE has nothing to do with Meta strictly [05:45:35] Ah well whatever [05:45:50] in any case SRE should take a group vacation [05:46:02] A virtual retreat or something [05:46:09] that doesn't make sense either really, someone needs to be around [05:46:13] individual breaks are better [05:46:13] I just feel like being nice right jow [05:46:21] i have no clue why lmao [05:46:34] I just want to propose as many nice ideas as possible [05:47:11] Chrs: you’re a wiki creator right [05:47:29] yeah [05:47:50] Hmmmn [05:48:03] okay whatever imma go to sleep since I’m exhausted [05:48:22] ignore these random outbursts because I may or may not be sleep deprivated [05:49:11] anyone have suggestions on how to sleep since I’ve tried everything and I stay up until like 1am [05:49:27] This can go into off topic idc [05:50:26] Okay anyway byeee [06:48:48] I should set up a script so my onwiki username gets changed to Naleksuh_away every time I don't edit for 15 minutes [11:46:11] [discord] if anyone is still around regarding the unauthorized section closure in the loginwiki rfc, my take is that no, it won't pass, but I think it has a right to be discussed until shut down with the rest (ie, the oppose section brought up a few angles that could be interesting) [11:47:05] [discord] Yeah, it was obvious that it wouldn't pass to begin with. [11:49:11] I'm of the opinion that no part of a RfC should be closed early, because the whole point is to allow people to discuss the topic. [11:55:19] [discord] I quite agree [13:26:10] So [13:26:21] whats happening [13:27:11] I only closed because clearly it’s doomed [13:27:17] i just don’t see a point [13:27:34] [discord] your closures were valid [13:27:35] depressing to watch anyway [13:27:53] raidarr: okay good thought I was in trouble or something [13:28:59] [discord] I undid nale's because it did not fit the limited reach of user close and did not merit early closing [17:51:35] DarkMatterMan: who is this Eric bagwell figure [17:53:23] [discord] Warning incoming [18:07:15] [discord] eric bagwell is a serially disruptive user on the reception wikis who finally got himself a long-term block and attempts to badger people into unblocking him in the same tone and style resulting in blocks in the first place [18:07:39] Wow [18:07:46] thats bad [18:08:42] I haven't been following the Eric Bagwell situation, but they've been at Meta users talk pages for a while [18:08:52] [discord] there's worse cases, but suffice to say the administration is staunchly opposed to unblocking him and every time he pulls the stunt he demonstrates why the block was and should remain issued [18:09:11] [discord] I think he even got a 'cool off' from a meta admin last time [18:09:24] Cool off? [18:10:21] `Unblocking Eric Bagwell at Greatest Movies Wiki, Awful Movies Wiki, Best TV Shows Wiki, Terrible TV Shows Wiki, Awesome Games Wiki and Crappy Games Wiki.` [18:10:28] Wow this is a long section title [18:13:05] Where was that [18:13:15] [discord] He'll get a forced vacation soon if he doesn't cool off soon [18:14:33] [discord] I think Rhinos issued some sort of block the last time and/or text warning [18:14:45] [discord] either way the guy won't be unblocked this year period at this rate [18:14:56] [discord] from the wikis he's appealing for anyway [18:15:03] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=249666#Unblocking_Eric_Bagwell_at_Greatest_Movies_Wiki,_Awful_Movies_Wiki,_Best_TV_Shows_Wiki,_Terrible_TV_Shows_Wiki,_Awesome_Games_Wiki_and_Crappy_Games_Wiki [18:15:04] [url] Meta:Administrators' noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:15:12] BrandonWM_Away [18:15:15] [discord] delete it as disruption [18:15:24] [discord] Delete the AN tbh [18:15:38] [discord] in fact I'll go ahead and remove it [18:15:58] it was also on dougs talk page and the SN [18:16:11] [discord] didn't realize it was old, nvm [18:16:24] [discord] yeah, the guy likes to just turn up and whine about it [18:16:43] [discord] I'm surprised that another basket case hasn't started doing the same who got himself a community ban from the same wiki set [18:18:11] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Dmehus#Unblocking_Eric_Bagwell_at_Greatest_Movies_Wiki,_Awful_Movies_Wiki,_Best_TV_Shows_Wiki,_Terrible_TV_Shows_Wiki,_Awesome_Games_Wiki_and_Crappy_Games_Wiki. is the same long title but its from may [18:18:11] [url] User talk:Dmehus - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:18:47] Ah, but that one has a period on the end [18:18:49] So it's one letter longer [18:19:28] [discord] same shpeel different punctuation [18:19:34] I was joking [18:19:35] [discord] this time he promises in bold and italics [18:19:39] Lol [18:19:42] Well that's gonna change it [18:19:50] [discord] unblock + admin [18:23:07] Oh wow this has been going on for over a year now [18:24:09] [discord] iirc I even gave him a rather generous reduction of a previous permanent boot for being a pest early on [18:25:05] Hm. Miraheze is rather slow today [18:39:33] [discord] even I'm noticing that [18:41:37] Just bother Agent until he fixes it [18:48:10] I've left CosmicAlpha a ping to look [18:48:15] It was super slow earlier [18:48:44] But I'm tired and I've been on holiday and probably drank more in the last few days than ever so not looking too deep [19:21:58] Welcome back agent [19:31:24] [discord] Eric Bagwell should just stop. [19:31:35] This is MarioBobFan [19:32:20] [discord] Oh yeah, him. We Qualitipedia-banned him not long ago. [19:35:59] [discord] same deal but I'm giving him less wiggle room than eric [19:36:11] [discord] both are zero-tolerance cases for making a mess, they made their beds and they'll sleep in them [19:37:48] Raidarr? Planning to block on Meta? [19:37:59] Raidarr can't do that as he's not a Meta admin [19:38:09] [discord] yeah, not my jurisdiction unless it becomes a platform emergency [19:38:12] And Stewards should only intervene where local stagg isn't able to [19:38:16] *Staff [19:38:27] [discord] nor do I recommend it unless either of them fail to get the hint [19:38:52] [discord] eric has/should have his warning from what agent told me and mbf hasn't gotten it yet because he hasn't gone as far [19:39:22] Yeah, there's no point in warning and blocking immediately without giving them a chance [19:39:27] That's what a warning is for [19:48:32] Okay [19:48:39] [discord] If Eric Bagwell continues this banter, would a lock be considered, considering the cross-wiki abuse he's been doing? Or no? [19:49:12] Well I’m not sure if constant talk page messages would warrant the term cross-wiki abuse [19:49:25] annoying? Yes [19:49:33] irritating? Definitet [19:49:44] It would constitute abuse when they have been told not to [19:49:53] s/definitet/definitely [19:50:02] [discord] BrandonWM_Away Oh you don't know the beginning of it. I was essentially being treated like a goddamn babysitter to him. [19:50:04] Also why are you still BrandonWM_Away [19:50:14] I thought you said you were going to stop the _Away renaming [19:50:29] [discord] Naleksuh What's wrong with his username? [19:50:43] Marking as being away by changing your nick is bad practice [19:50:44] DarkMatterMan4500: Oh I’m sure you’re telling the truth, but I’m not sure it reaches the standards of abhse [19:50:52] Also, they're not even actually away. Indicated by that they keep chatting here [19:50:53] Naleksuh: Auto-did that [19:51:16] [discord] what's the crosswiki abuse aside from meta antics? [19:51:26] raidarr : Blocked on twelve wikis [19:51:35] Which uset [19:51:40] Eric Bagwell [19:51:55] [discord] The edit-warring, aspersion casting, badgering other users, and other disruptive antics. [19:52:01] [discord] do not put too much stock in reception wiki widespread blocks as they're often made by the same person treating one offense on one wiki as grounds across a dozen [19:52:13] Ah [19:52:22] [discord] I'm willing to review however if no constructive edits can be found aside from his qp antics + continuation of the antics on meta [19:52:43] [discord] such a review is what lead me to lock hamzat [19:52:51] hopefully [19:52:57] its not necessary and they learn [19:53:24] [discord] mariobobfan came a bit close when he was not only doing eric's level of qp disruption but also being disruptive on meta [19:53:35] [discord] in ways aside from the talk page issue [19:54:46] [discord] Yeah, I hope Eric Bagwell just shuts up about being unblocked, because I will lose my mind if he continues this ridiculous insubordinate disruptive behavior of his, as that would only damage his chances even more. [19:55:18] [discord] we'll address it depending on what he does next, for now we're leaving it [19:55:29] [discord] Yes. Let's move on. [19:55:41] Yeah [19:55:46] raidarr: if you need meta admin, I'm awake enough to use hammers at steward advice [19:56:22] [discord] will consider if necessary, mbf does seem to have gotten the hint [19:56:46] though raidarr: I did check some of the contribs for Bagwell globally…there really doesn’t appear to be anything good [19:57:06] if he continues he might meet standards for LTA [19:57:15] [discord] very well, I'll take another look [19:57:33] ty [19:58:01] [discord] I'll discuss this a bit later, as I'm not going to continue to add more fuel here. [19:58:40] Ofc [19:58:55] thank you for handling this so well DarkMatterMan4500 [19:59:09] I know I likely wouldn’t have handled it like this, not for the better [20:00:23] [discord] not seeing enough to lock on at this time [20:01:38] Gotcha [21:35:24] So it turns out it only takes about a minute to query the entire Wikimedia proxy list [21:35:33] Unfortunately, Miraheze's API is just *slightly* slower than Wikimedia's [23:00:15] How long are CSRF tokens good for on Miraheze? [23:24:35] raidarr: think it wise to let you know that MBF is still at it [23:24:50] spamming your message board with unblock requests again [23:24:59] I’ve left a warning on his talk page [23:26:41] Yeah they have been at it for a while now :( [23:26:55] I wasn't actually following the whole situation until today, and honestly I was happier beforehand [23:27:27] [discord] I expected he would be cheeky and aside from my response I'm going to ignore it entirely; if it extends past my talk page it likely will be grounds to warn but I'm not bothered in this case [23:27:28] Yep [23:27:43] ` aside from my response I'm going to ignore it entirely` [23:27:46] So not really ignoring it then [23:27:53] Oh raidarr I just was about to click Publish on a warn on his talk page [23:28:27] @raidarr the open proxy software is done btw [23:30:03] I’ll publish? [23:30:11] its not a steward warn obv [23:30:11] Publish what? [23:30:14] I thought it was being ignored [23:30:22] Raidarr’s ignoring it [23:30:31] Me….meh [23:30:34] Actually they just replied [23:30:38] ah fuck [23:30:42] excuse my language [23:30:51] I’ll deal with it [23:31:54] Closing up warn publish [23:32:41] Oop mb [23:32:49] i thought you meant MBF responded [23:33:15] raidarr did [23:33:44] Yeah [23:33:46] i saw [23:33:55] still posting a warn, I’m tired of thos [23:34:15] and it’s coming from an equal (rank-wise) so they may listen more [23:35:10] Oh also BrandonWM I saw you asking about the spam problem in test. There is a new proposal on test wiki if you want to check that out, which looks to trial proxy blocking there [23:37:16] [discord] so where's the open proxy software [23:37:17] [discord] thought I'd have heard from void [23:38:20] I have it [23:38:42] Naleksuh: Will check it tonight when my phones not about to die [23:38:57] I’m going to post this warm and probably log off to charge it [23:39:01] [discord] if I see it on wiki I can give it a look [23:39:09] https://i.imgur.com/L6R1z1E.jpg [23:39:55] @Raidarr There's a proposal on Public test wiki to trial it there. To combat the spam problem. Check if out if you want [23:41:17] Posted [23:43:28] Partially taken from Isai’s warning on Eric Bagwell [23:43:35] I marked your warning as patrolled [23:43:43] Thank you Naleksuh [23:45:41] Actually Nale I have a sec so I’ll look at the spam software [23:46:33] Please don't call me that [23:48:52] Apologies [23:49:12] I have seen many others call you by that name so I assumed you were okay with it. I apologize. [23:49:40] Yeah and I've asked them to stop too [23:51:33] Ah okay