[02:47:50] Hello masti71! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [02:49:13] Hi [02:50:13] I want to start contribute Puppets configuration, there can help me [02:50:30] What do you mean? [02:51:18] Can you teach me, what's is puppet infrastructure [02:52:22] I see miraheze used puppet to manage any server [02:53:00] Puppet is a piece of software we use to configure all our servers the same but I'm afraid that there's not much you could help us on unfortunately [02:54:40] Do you have deep knowledge about puppet? [02:55:46] i want to learn about it. [04:34:20] You’d have to talk to one of the SRE members [04:34:42] However they’re all extremely busy. Not sure if they’d have time to help teach you but you can try. [04:34:47] #miraheze-sre [04:35:00] Oh never mind actually he’s gone [05:05:59] Hey if anyone is around [05:06:18] can I move “Comparing Miraheze to Fandom” to “Comparing Miraheze to FANDOM” [05:06:23] as the correct terminology [05:09:13] BrandonWM: Both are correct technically speaking, it's just a matter of stylization [05:09:26] You can use {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} to change it's appearance if you wish [05:09:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DISPLAYTITLE:Template: [05:10:01] That is, the styling of the title to use all majuscule letters in the "Fandom" name [05:11:41] So…don’t move? [05:11:44] or do moce [05:11:50] s/move/moce [05:11:51] BrandonWM meant to say: So…don’t moce? [05:12:01] s/moce/move [05:12:02] BrandonWM meant to say: So…don’t move? [05:12:42] No, don't move [05:13:03] Okau [05:13:05] *okay [05:13:10] will use displaytitle though [05:15:53] Um Agent I don’t think it worked [05:16:13] it’s {{DISPLAYTITLE:Comparing Miraheze to FANDOM}} rigjt [05:16:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DISPLAYTITLE:Template:Comparing_Miraheze_to_FANDOM [05:18:04] There’s a category on the page to ignore display titles [05:18:07] but idk why [05:19:31] hmm [05:19:57] It seems MediaWiki doesn't see the new title as an equivalent of the current page title and so it ignores it [05:20:49] Im assuming that’s not supposed to happen right [05:22:12] Is that a new MediaWiki bug? [05:23:02] Potentially intended behavior, the page says only certain capitalization is supported by it [05:23:38] Any way to override that? [05:23:52] the entire point of DisplayTitle is to display the correct title [05:24:51] I’m not too MW savvy so I don’t know these things [06:01:34] Agent [06:01:53] Hi Naleksuh [06:02:04] May I have rollback permissions on Meta? [06:02:07] See here https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Comparing_Miraheze_to_Fandom&curid=51935&diff=257647&oldid=257644&diffmode=source [06:02:50] I think he meant that you should feel free to revert his edits [06:03:19] Revert or rollback whatever’s easier [06:03:49] rollback should really be used for vandalism, other edits should be undone so that the person undoing them can explain why they've done so [06:04:05] (in the edit summary that is) [06:04:07] Reception123 : You might be interested in Mac Fan 4000 (no ping) talk page then [06:04:30] Nevermind he removed it again [06:04:32] I don’t personally agree with the edits, but I’m not going to debate everything so if you want to revert I won’t pushbit [06:04:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MacFan4000&oldid=248997 [06:06:23] I'll make note of it if rollback is used in that way again [06:07:28] I’d just rollback with Twinkle [06:07:40] but I can’t rollback my own edits using thst [06:08:31] Yes you can [06:08:39] I tried [06:08:41] Reception123 : It was used in that way again after my warning [06:08:51] diff? [06:09:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=248926&diffmode=source&useskin=monobook [06:10:32] Also, after removing the thread from their talk page, they then edited the Rollback page to claim it was an essay, when it wasn't [06:11:17] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Rollbackers&diff=prev&oldid=239013&useskin=monobook [06:11:33] Reception123: I’ve seen the diffs and while I obviously hold no position or rank within Miraheze as a volunteer, I will say it’s troubling [06:12:18] well regarding the essay part I think there's an issue in that some Meta / global 'policies' are in fact from Miraheze's early days and haven't really been voted on [06:12:29] Same thing for Wikipedia policies XD [06:12:35] Some stuff was just added by some guy in 2003 and never removed [06:12:58] well I mean the rollbackers one is quite obvious and I think the vast majority of people agree with it so it's fine to stay as a 'policy' tbh [06:13:39] I’m not going to say anything should happen to Mac4K obviously [06:14:00] but that is troubling if a user has been notified not to use rollback permissions like that and completely ignores it [06:14:09] What's going on with the skin [06:14:13] They didn't ignore it. They refused to comply with it [06:14:19] Which is even worse than ignoring it [06:15:12] Anyway, I will look into Twinkle not working? [06:15:18] RhinosF1: seems the link on that diff is supposed to be for mono book for whatever reason [06:15:38] Naleksuh: Twinkle works for everything else I just don’t see a rollback button for my own edits [06:15:59] I have it https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7wpzEUMm/image.png [06:16:11] Huh I’ll check again [06:16:20] Usually I don’t see that though [06:17:13] Do you have Twinkle installed? [06:17:36] The buttons may take some time to show up as Miraheze's servers are slow & the JavaScript takes some time to deliver [06:17:50] Can take up to 10 seconds on a really busy day [06:18:27] Naleksuh: took a bit but it showed up [06:18:33] like 20 seconds [06:19:04] RhinosF1: Thoughts on the diff though? [06:20:00] What diff? [06:20:27] MacFab4K [06:20:59] Reception123 can address it the next time they are misused [06:21:07] Also, User:BrandonWM/common.js doesn't exist. Did you enable it in preferences? [06:22:28] Enable what? [06:23:06] Twinkle [06:23:57] Oh I use it a lot it’s enabled [06:24:09] common.is should exist though [06:24:18] thats wierd [06:24:29] s/wierd/weird [06:24:29] BrandonWM meant to say: thats weird [06:26:10] It's not going to exist unless you create it [06:26:45] I know, I remember creating twinkle.js [06:27:01] That doesn't exist either [06:27:02] someone probably deleted it somewhere along the way [06:27:13] idk what to put regardless [06:27:24] twinkle works fine not sure what to modify [06:27:49] OK, I was just curious if you were using the Meta-specific version or the one off Miraheze Dev Wiki, which is designed to work across all of Miraheze [06:27:56] If you enabled it in prefeences, it should be the Meta version [06:30:19] Probably Meta [13:06:25] I haven’t used rollback again recently [13:07:19] And yes the thread was removed again but that was by the auto archive bot [13:07:31] If you look you’ll find the archive page [13:10:27] What Naleksuh says is simply not true - I made a mistake multiple times and I have learned from the miraheze [13:10:44] [discord] What we talking about? [13:12:49] Just responding to the conversation from 7 hrs ago (around 2 AM my time) [13:14:52] [discord] We aren’t going to punish a heavily trusted user for making 1 mistake. [13:15:01] [discord] There puts a end to that discussion. [13:16:55] [discord] Not to mention, people should be leaving warning for how people use their rights to admins, letting someone know what their doing might not be ok is fine, but warnings for misuse of rights should be done my admins. [13:28:32] Even though I think we should probably keep rollback for vandalism/very obvious things I don't think it's necessary to say more than that, it's quite a minor 'mistake' to make [13:41:03] On a side note one of the rfs’s is only one vote away from reaching the 20 vote threshold [13:41:18] the other still needs 6 votes [13:42:05] [discord] as a best practice I'd personally like to wait for a day or so once the threshold is reached in either case even if the 7 day min is met [13:42:18] [discord] I think it's a pretty easy win for both though [13:43:09] One is 17/0/2 the other is 13/1/1 [13:44:02] actually for requesting steward I believe policy requires them to stay open at least the full week [13:44:21] [discord] yeah, 7 day minimum [13:44:34] [discord] for example I do think if 20 is reached on the 7th day, it would be fair play to give it the 8th day as well [13:45:04] [discord] but that's a raidism that doesn't need to be observed if say, John sees and decides to close [14:04:15] yeah it's a matter of personal preference but I think it's perfectly fair to wait an extra day if the last support was less than 24 hours before [14:04:23] as if a vote is active there's no need to rush and close it [16:15:36] `What Naleksuh says is simply not true - I made a mistake multiple times and I have learned from the miraheze` [16:16:01] No, you explicitly REFUSED to comply with the rollback page and explicitly said you would continue using it "how you see fit".... and then proceeded to continue making bad rollbacks [16:23:11] [discord] bit old to now be taking issue with [16:24:55] [discord] I also don't see what the explicit refusal to comply is based on either [16:25:27] [discord] the rollback page explicitly has a weasel word of 'primarily' when discussing spam/vandalism, leaving room for other uses which obviously need to be within reason [16:27:14] Naleksuh: I would ask you to please stop coming after me about this [16:27:35] and no I did not refuse that is just wrong [16:29:39] [discord] he has a very all or nothing tendency which I've seen go wrong a few times in discussing issues, and one of these days I can see it becoming an issue [18:38:43] I’m confused why this even matters. [18:39:05] MacFan made a mistake, he said he won’t repeat it, I see no reason to believe he’s lying [20:26:48] For attn of Meta admins: [20:27:05] tagged a lot of unnecessary templates for deletion [20:27:21] Ip address just created them all and jaro blocked [20:27:57] was not able to ping [20:28:05] *mark all pages for deletion thoufh [20:28:28] Some module and css [20:28:44] [discord] Not blocked them because they created templated, but if someone wants delete it [20:28:57] Well yeah it was a proxy [20:29:13] but the templates are wholly unnecessary and broken regardless since a module or two is missing [20:29:58] [discord] I'm really not fond of just adding functional templates or pages with no actual functional purpose [20:31:03] Yeah [20:31:32] I’m assuming a steward could delete the pages in their official capacity as a steward, just because they’re pointless [20:31:51] But if not Jaroslavik could you delete [20:33:02] [discord] meta administrative topics are the capacity of meta admins specifically, it's only steward ground if it has some global impact/meta admins are entirely unavailable [20:33:18] [discord] They are technically copyright violations so anyone can delete [20:34:16] Oh in that case raidarr should delete [20:34:25] As that would have global implications [20:35:46] Honestly idc just would like someone to delete [20:36:19] [discord] queued for deletion [20:36:31] Thank you [20:37:00] just see the IP’s contribs, all pages should be there to delete as as mentioned I wasn’t able to mark a module and css for deletion [20:37:55] [discord] And got 7 admin actions 😄 Or it's one when i massdeleted? 😄 [20:38:40] [discord] But maybe they had some plans with it 🤔 [20:39:13] [discord] kinda wonder if we should make a policy or practice regarding adding things like that without an explicit scope, or second opinion, etc [20:39:23] I don’t know and honestly it doesn’t matter as a copyright violation is unacceptable [20:39:29] I know that firsthand -_- [20:39:46] [discord] there was a spree at one point where a handful of people just imported all kinds of things which have never been used since [20:40:04] Either way thanks to MrJaroslavik for the speedy deletion [20:40:17] [discord] Yeah, we have a lot content that was imported onto Meta and just never used [20:40:22] [discord] Particularly by two users [20:40:30] Does anyone need meta admin [20:40:41] [discord] Not anymore, no [20:40:47] Okay [20:40:56] I go back to watching one of the worse tv programs ever [20:41:10] What [20:41:21] which one lol [20:41:50] Agent: yeah it happens [20:42:02] [discord] really shouldn't happen [20:42:08] confusing as to why though because the templates will never be used regardless [20:42:13] [discord] I figure we could probably knock out a great deal of it if we work through categorization [20:42:21] And proxy blocks [20:42:26] the IP that did this was a proxy [20:42:35] [discord] different affair, proxies are being worked on [20:42:40] we should look into Naleksuh’s software tbh [20:42:43] yeah [20:42:44] [discord] the issue I'm taking ranges from ip to users in good standing [20:43:07] Oh that’s odd [20:43:09] [discord] his software as I recall was just a query for current mw blocks which I thought had the indistinguishably issue ie, blocks we don't necessarily want [20:44:03] Oh okay [20:44:29] [discord] I think i imported only what was needed for my use and then maybe deleted unneded, but idk 😆 And there was also one bad massimport because i mistakenly imported to Meta instead of other wiki 😆 [20:44:50] [discord] you weren't the one I had in mind [20:45:20] [discord] it was at some point late 2021 when a bunch of templates were thrown in fresh off wikipedia around the time I had aspirations for reworking meta's category structure [20:45:54] [discord] seeing all the junk fall in kinda stemmed my interest since it would double what I needed to do to also get in a fight about content that was plain pointless [20:51:35] BrandonWM: undeclared war [20:51:39] New on channel 4 today [21:24:15] Wtf happened [21:57:38] Wtf [21:57:43] Wdym [21:57:46] what did I miss [21:58:36] RhinosF1 [22:02:53] You’re not talking about the SCOTUS ruling right