[15:27:40] <BrandonWM>	 Closing Stewards: Reception’s RfS is at 20/0/2 right now, and Agent Isai’a at 20/1/1
[15:28:12] <BrandonWM>	 RfS probably could be closed as soon as we hit 7 days (tomorrow evening PST) since there’s such a broad range of support 
[18:07:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <MrJaroslavik> (Reply to my yesterday question about Babel config)
[18:07:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <MrJaroslavik> Added to CN <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_noticeboard#Babel_-_change_of_configuration_%28proposal%29>
[18:07:21] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Community noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[18:33:07] <BrandonWM>	 is it good with y’all if i move Category:Bots by YellowFrogger to Category:Bots by Pixial
[18:33:12] <BrandonWM>	 to match the rename
[18:33:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> yes
[19:10:53] <BrandonWM>	 will do shortly
[19:29:41] <BrandonWM>	 done
[21:28:55] <BrandonWM>	 Could a Steward close the Global Renamer RfC? I’m not quite sure what to mark as.
[21:29:59] <chrs>	 BrandonWM: it will get closed when ready
[21:30:26] <BrandonWM>	 What’s the support ratio for RfCs?
[21:30:42] <RhinosF1>	 Consensus
[21:31:03] <RhinosF1>	 It's not strict because it's not an RfV
[21:31:58] <BrandonWM>	 Majority is in support of Global Rename
[21:32:04] <BrandonWM>	 but far from consensus
[21:32:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Too weak to implement imo
[21:32:34] <RhinosF1>	 I don't like the idea tbh
[21:32:36] <chrs>	 probably going to end as no consensus
[21:32:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Especially when 2 stewards more than likely get added
[21:32:46] <BrandonWM>	 I’d agree but some see things differently than me
[21:32:46] <RhinosF1>	 I don't think we're quite ready yet
[21:32:48] <chrs>	 honestly i've considered changing my vote now that we have the new RfS's
[21:32:56] <RhinosF1>	 And tbh, I don't know who I'd trust
[21:33:03] <BrandonWM>	 RhinosF1: imo I don’t see the necessity
[21:33:07] <RhinosF1>	 That I wouldn't also trust for steward
[21:33:24] <BrandonWM>	 I know it’s support on there but I’ve changed my mind
[21:33:36] <BrandonWM>	 chrs: if we want to both change…
[21:33:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Going to look at it tonight either way
[21:34:01] <RhinosF1>	 The only person who is trust now for any seriously advance rights is Zppix & chrs (excluding our 2 hopefully new stewards)
[21:34:02] <BrandonWM>	 gotcha
[21:34:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Hopefully alongside several other things
[21:34:22] <RhinosF1>	 MacFan4000 I would be he has enough roles
[21:34:30] <BrandonWM>	 RhinosF1: Not Omega or MacFan?
[21:34:31] <RhinosF1>	 I don't want all of SRE holding rights
[21:34:39] <RhinosF1>	 BrandonWM: omega is the same
[21:34:47] <BrandonWM>	 or naleks*h
[21:34:51] <BrandonWM>	 to avoid pinf
[21:34:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> omega i know is pretty capped out
[21:34:57] <BrandonWM>	 rakdae
[21:35:04] <RhinosF1>	 He controls all our extensions. I don't want to see him have more rights.
[21:35:09] <RhinosF1>	 And he gets busy enough.
[21:35:14] <BrandonWM>	 *raidarr: yes agree + let me edit my vote before closing
[21:35:19] <BrandonWM>	 true
[21:35:30] <RhinosF1>	 I would not vote for Naleksuh no, you can easily find there's a history between us.
[21:35:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Aside from slow stuff i'm probably capped myself
[21:36:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Only 2 things I'd be looking at
[21:36:30] <RhinosF1>	 I'm quite nervous tbh after history of promoting people to new roles
[21:36:42] <RhinosF1>	 We've had a lot of trouble in past sadly
[21:36:51] <BrandonWM>	 yes, most recently with Doug
[21:36:54] <RhinosF1>	 Doug is a fairly tame example
[21:37:07] <RhinosF1>	 But just the latest in troublesome volunteers
[21:37:12] <BrandonWM>	 zpp*x with GS though…
[21:37:22] <BrandonWM>	 that was a mess
[21:37:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Right now the bottom line of volunteering needs work
[21:37:38] <RhinosF1>	 Zppix needed a break
[21:37:55] <RhinosF1>	 i don't think they were ever troublesome
[21:38:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I think it's fair to say that zip's approach was controversial
[21:38:36] <BrandonWM>	 rhinosf1: hard disagree. they’re better now but before it was extremely difficult to deal with them at all
[21:38:36] <RhinosF1>	 Zppix was entirely good faith imho
[21:38:49] <BrandonWM>	 possibly good faith but there were definitely issues
[21:38:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I do think he meant well, but imo so does doug
[21:38:59] <BrandonWM>	 Doug is entirely good faith as well imo
[21:39:00] <Naleksuh>	 Can you not just use asteriks
[21:39:15] <BrandonWM>	 we dodd
[21:39:24] <BrandonWM>	 s/dodd/did
[21:39:24] <MirahezeBot>	 BrandonWM meant to say: we did
[21:39:26] <Naleksuh>	 Firstly, it's rude to talk about people and not wanting them to know you are. Second, if you want to talk privately use PMs. Either let people know or don't
[21:39:36] <Naleksuh>	 Yes, you did, and I'm asking you to not
[21:39:41] <Naleksuh>	 Hence the, can you *NOT* just use asteriks
[21:39:52] <BrandonWM>	 sure
[21:40:02] <BrandonWM>	 I didn’t want to ping you excessively but whatever
[21:40:03] <BrandonWM>	 anyways
[21:40:20] <BrandonWM>	 yeah RhinosF1 doug meant well too but there were issues
[21:40:55] <RhinosF1>	 Zppix never meant harm.
[21:41:11] <Naleksuh>	 And yeah, I would not trust Zppix with Steward *at all*, both because of the high-risk and because of the trust issues
[21:41:13] <BrandonWM>	 neither did Doug
[21:41:22] <Naleksuh>	 I find it very hard to believe that they could have global sysop revoked then pass stewardship with no step in between
[21:41:34] <RhinosF1>	 I personally can't believe all of Doug's actions (some private) were with good faith
[21:41:51] <RhinosF1>	 I don't think Zppix should go straight to steward
[21:42:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I'd welcome zips involvement in an advisory capacity and maybe higher rights after cvt us reworked internally
[21:42:19] <RhinosF1>	 But I would trust them with more rights than they have
[21:43:46] <RhinosF1>	 Examknow & Sau226 though are the best examples of how wrong us and volunteers can go
[21:47:57] <Naleksuh>	 BrandonWM : Why do you even want more stewards?
[21:51:49] <Naleksuh>	 Oh wait no that was for global renamers
[21:57:39] <BrandonWM>	 imho Zppix will never hold elevated rights within Miraheze again
[21:58:06] <BrandonWM>	 after GS revocation I don’t know if the community trusts him
[21:58:31] <BrandonWM>	 he might be trustworthy now (I’m inclined to think he is), but he has to prove that to the whole community
[22:10:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> “Will never hold elevated rights within Miraheze again” is quite a bold statement.
[22:12:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> That's like blindly accusing someone of being a thief.
[22:21:56] <Naleksuh>	 I don't think anyone here is a theif
[22:25:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> Yeah that comparison didnt make any sense to me
[22:40:19] <BrandonWM>	 okay let me correct that
[22:40:24] <BrandonWM>	 ”likely never hold”
[22:41:06] <BrandonWM>	 Zppix you lost a lot of trust with the GS revocation. since then you’ve been mostly inactive. now, if you want elevated rights you’re going to have to show the community you’ve improved
[22:44:15] <BrandonWM>	 also User:Garfnoblade marked his real name as Rick Astley
[22:44:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> What a privilege!
[22:44:46] <Naleksuh>	 You can set your real name to whatever you want
[22:45:01] <BrandonWM>	 I know i find it hilarious
[22:45:26] <BrandonWM>	 Imma be John Lennon 😂
[22:45:36] <Naleksuh>	 Do you want to get shot?
[22:54:27] <BrandonWM>	 um wtf
[22:54:30] <BrandonWM>	 okay ed sheeran
[22:54:31] <BrandonWM>	 idk
[22:54:37] <BrandonWM>	 just naming random musicians
[22:54:56] <Naleksuh>	 I mean, I would personally choose a living musician but OK
[22:54:59] <Naleksuh>	 :P