[02:31:19] <BrandonWM>	 a purely procedural question for [[Miraheze Volunteers]]
[02:31:19] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Volunteers
[02:31:52] <BrandonWM>	 is our aim to group all volunteers in together or create 2 sections, one for community elected, and one for non-status volunteers?
[02:35:19] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Hmmm, given current format, that'd be a bit challenging since several folks hold a mix of the two.
[02:35:38] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That'd be a good point of data we don't have today on the contributing page, perhaps that's a better fit for there?
[02:36:00] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That'd be a good point the 'contributing' page doesn't differentiate today, perhaps that's a better fit for there? (edited)
[02:36:12] <BrandonWM>	 yeah
[02:36:22] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That'd be a good data point the 'contributing' page doesn't differentiate today, perhaps that's a better fit for there? (edited)
[02:36:26] <BrandonWM>	 i think it's getting really messy adding in both status and non-status users on MH Volunteers
[02:36:33] <BrandonWM>	 perhaps two different tables?
[02:36:51] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> If you're making edits, I'd also suggest adding a column for Discord name since that's usually got more traffic than IRC these days
[02:37:10] <BrandonWM>	 yeah, happy to
[02:37:19] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I didn't know that page existed until today, still need to add my info there. 🙂
[02:40:17] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> At the risk of making it even more unusable, perhaps we should consider 
[02:40:18] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 1. splitting elected vs unelected roles into separate columns, and/or
[02:40:19] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 2. Bullet-list the list of roles within the cell
[02:40:21] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Not sure if that'd improve readability, but that was one solution that came to mind
[02:40:34] <BrandonWM>	 yeah i would support that
[02:40:36] <BrandonWM>	 and streamline
[02:40:45] <BrandonWM>	 Community support and editor seem to be the same thing
[02:40:56] <BrandonWM>	 though it's listed separately
[02:41:17] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Not necessarily, though one is often also the other
[02:42:09] <BrandonWM>	 any ideas for streamlining?
[02:49:14] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I'll think on it, my current intuition is saying this is kind of backwards for usability and should maybe be refocused based on roles or 'paths/avenues'
[02:49:43] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Still worth having a roster in this format though.
[02:52:46] <BrandonWM>	 Yeah I agree that it should be lessened
[02:53:01] <BrandonWM>	 for the sake of not doing unnecessary work, i'll hold off for now
[02:58:57] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Sounds good, I'm also mostly off for the day, so won't be much further brainstorming help
[02:59:38] <BrandonWM>	 gotcha
[14:13:54] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <Josi Sedai ✨> Are there any updates on the database issue?
[14:14:21] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <raidarr> did you see yesterday's meeting updates
[14:14:40] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <raidarr> mainly referenced in #announcements and posted on the Community Noticeboard
[15:36:59] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <ScottzSmash> Hello!
[15:48:28] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <raidarr> o7
[16:38:29] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <Goku black> Ok ok
[16:38:39] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <Goku black> Why is the wiki down
[16:39:37] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> See #announcements and this post on meta community noticeboard (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_noticeboard#Db141_update)
[16:39:38] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Community noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[16:40:39] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Short version, if you're getting a 'temporarily unavailable' error, it's because there was a series of hardware failures that have brought down several wikis.
[16:40:40] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[16:40:41] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Volunteer staff are doing everything they can to get data recovered and restore wikis, but that solution will be measured in weeks not days.
[16:40:46] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Short version, if you're getting a 'temporarily unavailable' error, it's because there was a series of hardware failures that have brought down several wikis.
[16:40:46] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[16:40:48] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Volunteer staff are doing everything they can to get data recovered and restore wikis, but that solution will be measured in week/weeks not days. (edited)
[16:40:55] <mhbridgebot_>	 [discord] <Goku black> Ok
[19:39:43] <BrandonWM>	 [[Requests for Comment/CVT intervention]] can be closed now, right?
[19:39:43] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/CVT_intervention
[19:39:59] <BrandonWM>	 it's been over 45 days since the original opening
[21:02:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No non-involved Steward has been around to close it
[21:12:51] <BrandonWM>	 ah gotcha that makes sense
[21:13:19] <BrandonWM>	 at a certain point does the involvement of a steward matter? if there’s clear consensus and the rfc is stale
[21:14:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> that is the subject of another ongoing rfc
[21:14:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That's actually the point of another open RfC. 🙂 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Involved_discussion_closure
[21:14:54] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Requests for Comment/Involved discussion closure - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[21:16:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Current unwritten practice is that closing steward shouldn't have been involved with the topic to avoid appearance of conflict of interest/supervoting, but given small number of available stewards, this codifies clear exceptions to the process.
[21:18:23] <BrandonWM>	 oh haha i didn’t even realize
[21:18:32] <BrandonWM>	 yeah i would support that 
[21:26:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Feel free to add your opinion either way when you have a free moment, unfortunately there's been less votes cast on those open RfCs than I'd personally like given the nature of the changes proposed.
[21:26:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Feel free to add your opinion on Meta either way when you have a free moment, unfortunately there's been less votes cast on those open RfCs than I'd personally like given the nature of the changes proposed. (edited)
[21:26:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Feel free to add your opinion on Meta either way when you have a free moment, unfortunately there's been fewer votes cast on those open RfCs than I'd personally like given the nature of the changes proposed. (edited)
[21:28:32] <sTRM>	 Remember that every edit is a whole repeat of your message on IRC.
[21:31:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <06000208> that should be noted somewhere in the discord like the channel description or pins. my presumption with my knowledge of chat bridges was that edits wouldn't be relayed, but I suppose resending in case of important ones is more prudent
[21:32:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Thanks for the  heads-up, I wasn't aware of this but that jibes with the nature of a cross-platform bridge channel.
[21:32:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[21:32:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I have a nasty habit of realizing critical edits after send that I'll be more mindful of in relay channels going forward.  
[21:32:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[21:32:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Sorry to the IRC folks who've been inundated with my edit-perfectionism. 😅
[22:32:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Trickityy109> BRING FOHS ARCHIVE BACK
[23:02:50] <MacFan4000>	 Please be patient
[23:03:23] <MacFan4000>	 We can’t rush data recovery
[23:07:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Trickityy109> ok thanks mack