[04:50:22] <BrandonWM>	 i was flagged in #miraheze-cvt-feed as possible copyvio
[04:50:28] <BrandonWM>	 what the-
[04:52:21] <BrandonWM>	 that makes me sad
[05:18:15] <CosmicAlpha>	 BrandonWM: my bot flags that just based on the length of new pages. If they are fairly large pages on first creation, it flags that.
[05:19:51] <BrandonWM>	 CosmicAlpha: Ohhh, gotcha. No worries in that case. Completely understand.
[06:48:46] <BrandonWM>	 Hilariously, to John's point as described on-wiki, the involved closure RfC will require an involved closure as stewards have already voted and there's a noticeable divide on the issue
[06:49:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Well, I mean, Void is uninvolved technically
[06:49:57] <BrandonWM>	 true but he's not around often and the odds are small that he will be the one to close the RfC
[06:50:08] <BrandonWM>	 though I suppose that's preferable if possible
[06:50:55] <BrandonWM>	 but also to NotAracham's point, Miraheze can't become a wiki farm just stuck up in all this bureaucracy, especially when we don't have that many volunteers to begin with. until we at least grow our volunteer numbers, we're going to need to be flexible
[06:51:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Void is reachable here on Discord but yeah, I think he doesn't dispose of too much time sometimes
[06:52:08] <BrandonWM>	 would it be viable to reach out to him to have him close this RfC?
[06:54:29] <BrandonWM>	 if so then I suppose we could try that
[06:54:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Catch-22000: Advanced Edition.
[06:54:59] <BrandonWM>	 ?
[06:55:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Admittedly badly-formed joke about how even common procedure can be a convoluted run-around to resolve.
[06:56:07] <BrandonWM>	 fair
[06:56:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A catch 22 indeed
[06:56:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> In this case, the catch 22 has evolved due to the 4-d chess that is navigating a multi-platform social bureacuracy
[06:57:00] <BrandonWM>	 very true
[06:57:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> a multi platform social bureaucracy with de facto policies not written but transmitted orally and enforced as law
[06:57:35] <BrandonWM>	 admittedly that makes managing it all a lot more complicated
[06:57:50] <BrandonWM>	 Agent: I just sent you a message on IRC regarding something T/S related
[06:58:02] <BrandonWM>	 could you take a look when you get a chance?
[06:58:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'll try to look
[06:58:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> IRCCloud lags horribly when connecting to my BNC
[06:58:44] <BrandonWM>	 thanks
[06:58:50] <BrandonWM>	 yeah that's true
[06:59:34] <BrandonWM>	 it's sort of urgent but not really, so if necessary I can send it to you via discord tomorrow
[06:59:55] <BrandonWM>	 I'd send it on that platform right now except for the fact that I don't have access to my discord currently
[07:00:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Struggling for a good nomenclature for this...  federated idiomatic governance by asymmetric majority consent?
[07:00:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> As y'all can probably tell, I had a good (and long) turkey day;.
[07:02:11] <BrandonWM>	 so likew
[07:02:23] <BrandonWM>	 I had to look up half those words just to understand what they mean
[07:02:33] <BrandonWM>	 though I'll admit it's 11pm right now so I'm quite tired
[07:02:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Same time zone here, same bendy brain logic going on right now.
[07:03:15] <BrandonWM>	 lol
[07:03:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> how fortunate, it's 1am for me
[07:03:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> What a relay party this is.  Late night crew.
[07:03:53] <BrandonWM>	 oh wow that's late
[07:04:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> just the usual, a lot of us are up really late, just out of public view heh
[07:04:29] <BrandonWM>	 oh 100%
[07:04:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Going to bed at a reasonable hour, that's the real catch-22000
[07:05:00] <BrandonWM>	 I generally try and stay off miraheze after a certain point (or any form of communication really), but today's been weird so I'm making an exception
[07:05:02] <BrandonWM>	 for real
[07:08:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Uff I really need to get to writing out a new wiki admin guide.  Esp. around creating requests. 😦
[07:08:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[07:08:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> A few examples of bad/good/better/best could hopefully go a long way.
[07:08:57] <BrandonWM>	 anyone mind if I create some user box templates on loginwiki tomorrow?
[07:09:14] <BrandonWM>	 just for testwiki admin/bureaucrat/consul in case anyone wants it
[07:09:31] <BrandonWM>	 probably would be a copy/paste of the ones from testwiki
[07:10:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Just realized, images I send to confirm what you're talking about don't come through IRC do the?
[07:10:31] <BrandonWM>	 try and send one?
[07:10:39] <BrandonWM>	 and then send a message
[07:10:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Talking about these buddies, yeah?
[07:10:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/1045597421578768464/image.png
[07:11:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> (Image attached to last message)
[07:11:17] <BrandonWM>	 yeah those userboxes
[07:11:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Speaking of loginwiki and revisiting your proposal to move global user pages to Meta, I wouldn't be opposed
[07:11:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We'd have one less wiki to patrol
[07:11:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Alternatives_For_Current_Loginwiki#Proposal_1_Real_:_Combine_Login_With_Meta,_but_really could've passed if it were worded correctly
[07:11:36] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Requests for Comment/Alternatives For Current Loginwiki - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[07:12:01] <BrandonWM>	 yeah I think that I can try and reword the proposal and then send out the RfC again
[07:12:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I'd be 100% on board for that, my only concern would potentially be the administrative lift needed vs current staffing.
[07:12:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Would be best to draft it as the whole RfC was a bit messy from the beginning
[07:12:29] <BrandonWM>	 yeah true
[07:12:37] <BrandonWM>	 I can try and start a user space draft tomorrow
[07:13:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A draft as a Requests for Comment subpage would be fine
[07:13:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Should be better than our current situation
[07:13:24] <BrandonWM>	 👍
[07:13:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> As Meta sysops would be able to intervene and there's more Meta sysops than Stewards
[07:13:29] <BrandonWM>	 would you be able to help me a bit with the draft before I send it out?
[07:13:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and plus, all Stewards are Meta sysops lol
[07:13:53] <BrandonWM>	 yeah lol
[07:14:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> sure
[07:14:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> One of my trades is wordsmith, so I'd be happy to take a pass for clarity.  Though obviously under the influence of less turkey and good times.
[07:14:23] <BrandonWM>	 thanks
[07:14:28] <BrandonWM>	 yeah of course you're more than welcome to
[07:14:41] <BrandonWM>	 I'll create the draft tomorrow and we can go from there
[07:14:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Aces, sounds good
[07:15:20] <BrandonWM>	 also aracham my discord is `cookie guy#6978`, would love to add you on discord if possible
[07:15:30] <BrandonWM>	 might be easier than the irc/discord relay constantly
[07:15:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Sure sure, one second
[07:16:27] <BrandonWM>	 thanks, I'll see the friend request tomorrow since I'm off discord right now
[07:16:44] <BrandonWM>	 I'm going to sign off for the night, talk to you guys tomorrow
[07:16:47] <BrandonWM>	 Happy Thanksgiving!
[07:20:39] <BrandonWM>	 by the way thanks guys for all the support and great ideas, it's really nice to be able to throw ideas around and see what sticks
[07:20:50] <BrandonWM>	 thankful for this entire community
[07:24:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Absolutely.  It's a big community but still small enough that motivated folks can have a big impact.
[07:24:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Gonna clear the request queue and call it a night as well.
[07:51:29] <Agent>	 Hello stranger
[07:52:12] <notaracham>	 A party, an IRC party. :D
[07:52:45] <Agent>	 Partying like it's 1994
[07:56:53] <notaracham>	 Within a decade of the last time I've used this protocol with any regularity, so heck yeah.  Let me spool up that netscape navigator and get to browsing!
[17:23:37] <corwin>	 That upstart bloatware?!?  Mozilla 4evah
[17:24:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Zppix> I agree mozilla (totally not biased at all, quickly hides all my contributions to mozilla’s support team)
[21:42:24] <Xana7>	 heyo
[21:42:34] <Xana7>	 how do i confirm users on my wiki?
[22:13:20] <BrandonWM>	 in what sense?
[22:13:23] <BrandonWM>	 never mind they're gone