[03:04:43] Hey guys. Sorry for the wiki creation backlog [03:04:55] I have pneumonia and a legal issue at the moment [03:05:02] It is being cleared by me right now [03:20:08] [discord] Thanks for helping out, I'm stuck at an event and haven't been able to do my normal end of day reviews. [03:20:09] [discord] [03:20:10] [discord] Seems like y'all have done some work on an unusually large request arrival, though. [03:20:12] [discord] [03:20:13] [discord] Not much waiting for me once I'm finally free. 😆 [04:26:07] [discord] Any chance of moving the IRC chats to Matrix? or at least bridging them [04:26:58] ZERO chance of "moving" them [04:28:09] [discord] I'm unsure if we have a large enough community on Matrix to warrant setting up our presence there. If there is then perhaps, why not [04:35:13] [discord] First I'm hearing of the service, it's giving me big early 2000s trillian vibes [04:46:16] [discord] i have a matrix account [04:46:25] [discord] we should definitely bridge there [04:46:58] [discord] mine is collei@matrix.org [04:47:13] [discord] the issue is moderation, if we don't have enough users there then the moderating burden will surpass the benefit of being on the platform [04:47:25] [discord] ah i see [06:03:34] As well as that there's no reason to just make a billion more platforms in general [06:03:50] I already think there shold be no Discord server [06:03:57] Worse, some channels apparently aren't bridged which is really bad [06:50:22] Naleksuh: The discord server has almost 6300 members now, and is far more active then IRC. It's why I am personally mostly on Discord now. It isn't my favorite (IRC might be better) but it is more active and more people use it then here. If this became more active again I would rather use IRC, but as things are currently going eventually I probably wont be on IRC much at all due to that. [06:55:04] Maybe we should consider bridging #general on Discord to this channel, instead of #miraheze-relay? [06:55:49] @Agent @NotAracham ^ any thoughts on that? [07:14:47] [discord] The main IRC relay and general seem to serve similar functions. My only concern is that bridge channels are much more sensitive about editing. [07:16:33] [discord] Anecdotally every single edit becomes it's own message, which given the frequency with which I and others edit... Well, that'd render the bridge channel nigh unusable on the IRC side [07:37:26] I think edits should not be sent over, or if they are, they should be rate limited or something. [07:38:04] Edits weren't always sent over IRC. [07:43:14] [discord] not notaracham or agent but this seems like a good idea [07:43:29] [discord] general is where the majority of the conversations take place [07:43:40] [discord] both on- and off-topic for miraheze [07:43:57] [discord] having two channels for the same topic is redundant imo [08:23:13] [discord] and links... [15:43:41] [discord] Yep, if we can adjust bridge's behavior w/r/t edits I think such a change would be more palatable. I'm not the only edit fiend in #general [15:49:35] [discord] What does w/r/t mean? [15:50:45] [discord] With regard to [15:54:06] [discord] Hello! [15:56:37] [discord] I can do that if you get ops to agree [15:57:19] [discord] @NotAracham [15:59:18] [discord] https://github.com/FOSSBots/puppet/pull/409 [15:59:19] [url] mattermost::miraheze: set EditDisable by RhinosF1 · Pull Request #409 · FOSSBots/puppet · GitHub | github.com [15:59:36] [discord] yeah, that's fine [15:59:37] [discord] Have 2 irc chanops say they approve and I’ll merge [15:59:44] [discord] @Agent do it on the pr [16:00:24] [discord] Done [16:00:52] [discord] @Agent do you want me to move to #general at same time [16:01:10] [discord] I'm split on that at the moment [16:01:15] [discord] Ok [16:01:32] [discord] Provided we can do the edit changes as above, that removes my biggest concern. [16:01:47] [discord] @paladox as irc chanop, are you happy with PR ^ [16:02:38] [discord] I will merge as soon as 2 irc chanops say they are happy [16:02:49] seems fine [16:03:22] [discord] eh, why not, let's move the relay to #general [16:03:51] [discord] that already had 2 chanops approval [16:03:52] [discord] It also means we'll likely need to up our moderator presence on the IRC side if we merge, as that's now two big sources of possible spam in one [16:03:55] [discord] (mine and UO) [16:04:45] [discord] All SRE + Stewards are irc chanops along with global IRC chanops from FOSSBots so I think we're fine [16:05:03] [discord] would be cool if we had a Discord bot that we could use to kick/ban people on IRC from Discord [16:05:22] [discord] Okay, the bot will reboot in ~5 minutes [16:06:04] [discord] Will it also move the relay channel? [16:06:12] [discord] Yes [16:06:19] [discord] Neat, thanks! [16:06:23] [discord] I will post in here once channel stops being used [16:06:40] [discord] I'll shuffle channels around then [16:10:42] Test [16:11:11] [discord] It’s just slow [16:11:25] Test2 [16:11:29] [discord] Test [16:12:28] [discord] **This channel is now relayed between #ID:407537962553966603 on discord and #miraheze on IRC. #miraheze-relay will no longer be used.** [16:13:31] [discord] Hi RhinosF1, can I contact you via DM, please? [16:13:36] [discord] Yes [16:13:56] [discord] Did you mean sure? [16:14:04] [discord] I meant yes [16:14:21] [discord] I can use one of about 20-30 different words [16:15:43] For irc users who got #ID:, that’s #general on the discord side [16:20:23] [discord] use the outdated content removal tool [16:20:31] [discord] to get a closed wiki out of search results [16:34:56] [discord] oh, I didn't know that was possible. thank you for the information ^^ [16:41:38] [discord] np [17:04:28] [discord] Extensions are broken on my wiki. Please help me. [17:08:08] [discord] whats your wiki [17:14:12] [discord] multimedia viewer finally fixed itself yay [17:14:34] [discord] as florigon asked, what's your wiki? also, what do you mean by broken? are they causing it to crash? are they just not loading? [17:15:32] [discord] xyzw.miraheze.org [17:15:46] [discord] xyzw.miraheze.org [17:16:50] [discord] The extensions don't work, I tried turning them off and on from ManagaWiki but it didn't work. [17:17:23] [discord] Like which extension? [17:17:48] [discord] VisualEditor and Math [17:18:17] [discord] hmm visual editor works if you put ?veaction=edit in the url, but theres no button to use it [17:18:54] [discord] yes [17:20:18] [discord] That's normal for VE [17:20:28] [discord] as for Math, it's probably your page cahce [17:20:44] [discord] Enable it, purge the page cache, your own browser cache, and it should work [17:21:24] [discord] what do you mean it's normal for VE? my wiki has an edit button to use visualeditor [17:21:50] [discord] I tried but it didn't work [17:22:04] [discord] VE is finicky [17:22:13] [discord] it's happens pretty often [17:22:26] [discord] I think the problem is with ManageWiki. [17:23:26] [discord] For Math? [17:23:32] [discord] It's definitely a cache issue [17:23:40] [discord] ManageWiki is usually not at fault [17:23:51] [discord] Can you please link the page? [17:23:57] [discord] yes [17:24:03] [discord] Sometimes, what you also need to do is a dummy edit [17:24:13] [discord] So add an extra period somewhere and it should kick the cache [17:25:14] [discord] is there any way to make it work with the portable infobox and gallery tags [17:26:04] [discord] can you check if this is checked in visualeditor's settings? [17:26:05] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064234024974954549/Screenshot_from_2023-01-15_12-25-05.png [17:27:29] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064234379766939739/image.png [17:28:16] [discord] Ah yep, was going to suggest those namespace-specific settings as well. Toggling those off, saving, then back on, saving again, and waiting a few minutes can sometimes help. [17:28:35] [discord] But VisualEditor can sometimes be a bit funky on whether or not it wants to display the edit/edit source buttons as mentioned above. [17:31:35] [discord] It should work with both of them [17:31:48] [discord] comes to mind as an example of a wiki where it works with both the mentioned tags [17:31:49] [url] Demon - Great America Wiki | greatamerica.miraheze.org [17:34:18] [discord] I solved the problem with the Math extension but the VisualEditor key still doesn't work. [17:35:18] [discord] VisualEditor will eventually work [17:35:43] [discord] There's really no way to get it working 100% if it didn't work when you initially turned it on [17:35:55] [discord] It's an unknown bug which I've been able to reproduce on my own farm [17:39:39] [discord] Maybe create a bug report on Wikimedia's phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/visualeditor/ [17:39:40] [url] VisualEditor | phabricator.wikimedia.org [17:40:39] [discord] It runs the risk of being ignored for 15 years \:P [17:40:57] [discord] lol yeah i guess they're probably pretty busy [17:46:24] [discord] for some reason it's not working with those [17:46:39] [discord] i purged cache both on the server side and on my browser [17:47:11] [discord] but clicking on the image will either lead you to the image file or the static.miraheze.org url [17:49:59] [discord] example where it doesn't work (images are all either gallery or portable infobox): https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Nahida [17:49:59] [url] Nahida - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org [17:50:00] [discord] [17:50:01] [discord] example where it does work (images are embedded with [[File:...]]): https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Kamisato_Ayaka/Birthday [17:50:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:... [17:50:02] [url] Kamisato Ayaka's Birthday - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org [17:50:02] [discord] [17:50:03] [url] Creating File:... - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [17:59:40] [discord] @Adenin Konas [18:08:52] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> @RhinosF1 is it possible to ignore messages from MirahezeBot itself and wm-bot here, to avoid all the URL messages, etc... here? [18:10:20] [discord] A gentle reminder - it's generally not recommended to ping people using @ without any follow-on statement or context. [18:14:19] [discord] that'd be good if they could [18:15:01] [discord] just wondering, are we allowed to remove the hosted by miraheze and powered by mediawiki things in the footer? [18:16:37] [discord] Can do later [18:16:50] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> Thanks! [18:17:13] [discord] How do I import a custom font into my wiki? (I want to use fonts from Google Fonts but I'm having trouble getting them to work) [18:17:22] [discord] Yeah the essentially double posting of URL messages could get annoying in the long run [18:17:29] [discord] Google fonts is whitelisted [18:18:29] [discord] Here's my Media Wiki:Common.css: https://silveriowiki.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css (Silverio Wiki) [18:18:29] [discord] https://secosawiki.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css (Secosa Wiki) [18:18:30] [url] MediaWiki:Common.css - Silverio Wiki | silveriowiki.miraheze.org [18:18:30] [url] MediaWiki:Common.css - Secosa Wiki, the Nova encyclopedia | secosawiki.miraheze.org [18:18:42] [discord] i don't use Google fonts, I like to either self host them or use an open source type situation [18:18:59] [discord] because I do not want Google to be integrated with the wiki unnecessarily [18:19:09] [discord] don't trust Google [18:19:40] [discord] For Silverio Wiki, I would like to use the Montserrat typeface and Secosa Wiki to use the Inter typeface [18:21:08] [discord] Welcome @Nyctoby! If you would like to authenticate (validate) your Miraheze account, please type [18:21:34] [discord] not recommended [18:21:49] [discord] hmm I see got it [18:23:04] [discord] Why would I not trust Google? I just want to know how the fonts are being integrated, and Google Fonts seems to be a good source for fonts [18:23:19] [discord] @Legroom [18:23:38] [discord] Google has a long history of being privacy invasive and not transparent about how data is collected and how it's used [18:24:08] [discord] also the weird grammar is because I'm on phone right now usually my capitalization will be worse but my phone forces me to be half correct [18:25:03] [discord] I don't favour random pinging and ain't going to DM you [18:25:11] [discord] That shouldn't be something I have to worry about, after all it's a free service. It's just fonts [18:25:29] [discord] perhaps accounts got hacked 🤔 [18:25:46] [discord] sure but you're embedding their URLs which lets them track visitors [18:25:58] [discord] fonts are ok otherwise they wouldn't be allowed on mirahezs [18:26:15] [discord] might change my mind on that if I can find a privacy policy specifically for fonts [18:26:54] [discord] for privacy reasons mh doesn't have google analytics, ads (ofc) and youtube embed doesn't work until you click on video's thumbnail [18:27:09] [discord] examples from top of my head [18:27:16] [discord] yeah I know [18:27:52] [discord] So should I request that the fonts be added locally to my wikis? I have the font files on my computer [18:28:59] [discord] https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq/privacy they do collect user agent and referrer but not IP address so it's not terrible but not great either [18:29:00] [url] Privacy and Data Collection | Google Fonts | Google Developers | developers.google.com [18:29:03] [discord] as long as it doesn't breaks licences/copyrights [18:29:24] [discord] or you have a proof you purchased it [18:29:31] [discord] you can choose whichever your think is best but like legroom said keep licensing in mind [18:30:11] [discord] go w/ google fonts, it's ok [18:30:20] [discord] no u [18:30:29] [discord] ok ok fine you can do that if you insist [18:30:36] [discord] i'm assuming thats just if using the api. shouldnt be able to track if using ttf files you download [18:30:40] [discord] it was @ sge [18:31:42] [discord] So I have the code on my Common.css page on Silverio Wiki (link is posted above), what is going on and why isn't the font showing up? [18:32:02] [discord] speaking of copyrights, I wonder which other 5 wikis got temporarily closed because of that 🤔 [18:32:43] [discord] yes I know there is a difference between downloading and embedding [18:33:03] [discord] that is not about the api, it's about loading fonts using link tag or css [18:33:08] [discord] From https://silveriowiki.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [18:33:08] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064250902803923014/image.png [18:33:08] [url] MediaWiki:Common.css - Silverio Wiki | silveriowiki.miraheze.org [18:33:18] [discord] one minute let me check [18:34:02] [discord] the @font-face stuff needs to always be at the top [18:34:46] [discord] i wasnt sure if sge had downloaded the file and was going to then upload it to miraheze so that it wouldnt connect to google [18:35:46] [discord] around here it's towards the bottom instead of top [18:35:47] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064251567173292102/Untitled17_20230115103610.png [18:35:52] [discord] or at least I think so [18:35:58] [discord] If you go into the network tab of your inspector does the font actually get fetched [18:36:01] [discord] i'm pretty sure google fonts cannot track you through a css @import [18:36:16] [discord] no he hadnt done that [18:36:40] [discord] smh it's loading a URL from them so yes they can log IP address but I don't think they do that [18:37:06] [discord] i think they can see where the request is coming from, but there's no much data being sent [18:37:10] [discord] Like this? [18:37:11] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064251918987305040/image.png [18:37:24] [discord] assuming they aren't straight out lying in their privacy policy then they aren't logging it [18:37:29] [discord] with a @import font you don't need to declare @font-face [18:37:36] [discord] probably but I'm on mobile so I can't check [18:37:41] [discord] just simply use ``font-family: your font`` [18:37:46] [discord] good point [18:38:43] [discord] Sorry I've never done something like this before so bear with me [18:39:14] [discord] @font-face is better suited when you have a local font [18:39:15] [discord] on MediaWiki it's a bit of a pain to do that, which is why most of us just import things from google fonts [18:39:51] [discord] So is there like an exact code I have to copy and paste into my wiki? [18:39:59] [discord] using a imported font, you're basically loading their CSS file, so it's like if it was part of your wiki now [18:40:00] [discord] so you can target the ``body`` and add [18:40:02] [discord] ```css [18:40:03] [discord] body { [18:40:04] [discord] font-family: "my font" [18:40:06] [discord] } [18:40:07] [discord] ``` [18:40:36] [discord]