[00:24:05] [discord] @cookie guy check DMs once you get the chance [00:25:17] [discord] requestaccount? [00:25:22] [discord] will look in a few [00:25:33] [discord] alright got it [00:31:55] [discord] LMAO so this is in the wiki request queue and i think they meant to paste in the content policy link but they pasted in a pornhub link [00:31:56] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064341195293216819/image.png [00:33:29] [discord] i feel like after jimbo invented the name mediawiki he swapped the words around to make wikimedia foundation or vice versa [00:40:18] [discord] Oh heck, did that get reopened again? 😦 [00:40:28] [discord] possibly [00:40:29] [discord] let me check [00:40:40] [discord] no its just stuck at declined [00:40:46] [discord] nobody replied to his stupid reply [00:40:52] [discord] but they re-declined it i think [00:41:03] [discord] Yeah, that one's hard-declined at this point. [00:41:10] [discord] ah thats good [00:41:23] [discord] i was reading meta:requests for permissions and i think that its because its a scam or something [00:41:44] [discord] Yep, won't be going into that further but essentially that's the case. [00:43:22] [discord] alright makes sense [00:43:26] [discord] understood [00:51:03] [discord] when i have more time i should check what the link leads to [00:51:08] [discord] need to know if they have good taste or not [01:06:39] NotAracham : Users with requestwikiblocked can still edit already existing requests [01:06:42] Noone knows why [01:08:01] [discord] That's not a bug, that's a feature [01:08:02] [discord] lol [01:08:05] [discord] (joke) [01:08:12] [discord] or maybe not, maybe that's on purpose [01:08:15] [discord] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [01:09:19] You aren't even supposed to be able to revoke it from specific users [01:09:25] It's just a group that has $wgRevokePermissions in it [01:13:02] [discord] "you either die a bug, or live long enough to become a feature" [01:13:21] [discord] lol [01:14:09] [discord] lmao yea [01:24:07] [discord] hmm oh yeah [01:24:09] [discord] @Agent [01:24:24] [discord] are custom, wiki-specific extensions possible? [01:24:38] [discord] im gonna assume not based on wikis not having their own code base but its worth asking [01:28:00] [discord] @Naleksuh, yeah, discovered this odd little quirk after discussion w/ others [01:28:51] [discord] Permissions, they're weird. [01:28:54] [discord] hmm oh yeah [01:28:55] [discord] on irc [01:28:57] [discord] i had tried to make an account [01:29:04] [discord] but it wont let me do it with a VPN [01:29:08] [discord] is there any way around that [01:29:42] [discord] Wiki-specific no, if an extension is installed then it'll be enableable by any wiki on Miraheze [01:30:00] [discord] ah [01:30:00] [discord] Additionally, all extensions undergo a thorough security review too [01:30:40] [discord] i see [01:31:01] [discord] There is not unfortunately. We have a global policy in place which prohibits all web hosts/proxies so if someone needs help registering an account, they can contact CVT [01:31:28] [discord] hmm [01:31:29] [discord] i see [01:31:30] [discord] kk [01:46:50] [discord] @Colleiflower , removed message w/ screenshot since it technically contained links we're not supposed to be sharing on Discord. 🙂 [01:47:21] [discord] alright got it thanks [01:48:41] [discord] @Site Reliability Engineering quick question: attempted to access the MW text of a section of the Global Sysops page to confirm something, but was told that that section "didn't exist" [01:49:04] [discord] and when I clicked edit on a section of the page that was near the top, it sent me to edit a section near the bottom [01:49:07] [discord] and it's only that page [01:53:15] [discord] Yeah, it's a bug with the Translate extension [01:53:23] [discord] It's Translate's fault technically [01:54:14] [discord] I give up... [01:54:21] [discord] Infoboxes are too hard. 😞 [01:54:33] [discord] no theyre not [01:54:39] [discord] just copy the one from genshinimpact.miraheze.org [01:54:40] [discord] i will let you [01:54:49] [discord] ...huh? [01:55:04] [discord] I mean, that's what I've been doing. [01:55:17] [discord] But that doesn't make it any easier. [01:55:44] [discord] There are parameters or vairables or whatever they're called that need to be tailored to specific bars and boxes. [01:55:48] [discord] oh [01:55:54] [discord] enable portable infobox [01:56:03] [discord] and use the special page designed to make portable infoboxes [01:56:04] [discord] What's that? [01:56:07] [discord] an extension [02:00:02] [discord] Welcome @Ender! If you would like to authenticate (validate) your Miraheze account, please type [02:00:29] [discord] ...I need more elements. 😞 [02:00:44] [discord] which ones do you need [02:01:00] [discord] The mini-headers and colors for the mini and major headers. [02:01:09] [discord] css [02:01:17] [discord] in MediaWiki:Common.css, style the portable infobox [02:01:31] [discord] you're also weelcome to copy MediaWiki:Common.css from genshinimpact.miraheze.org [02:01:35] [discord] just give attribution ofc [02:01:58] [discord] ...😞 [02:02:42] [discord] https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Export [02:02:43] [url] Export pages - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org [02:02:43] [discord] [02:02:44] [discord] export the infoboxes and MediaWiki:Common.css there [02:02:45] [discord] [02:02:47] [discord] then use Special:Import to put the new ones on your wik [02:02:51] [discord] and change slightly [02:03:09] [discord] I can't import the entire Common.css...I'd have to take pieces. [02:03:40] [discord] Also perfectly fine to do [02:03:51] [discord] yea you're welcome to do that as well [02:04:10] [discord] But that's what I've been doing. :WAAAAAAA: I'm so overwhelmed and I thought the CSS was hard. 😥 [02:04:44] [discord] copy the infobox styles [02:04:49] [discord] and then change slightly [02:06:37] [discord] If I can change the portable infoboxes, how am I going to change only specific ones? [02:06:56] [discord] I need like 20 different infoboxes with different colors. [02:06:59] [discord] If not more. [02:07:34] [discord] And...I can't see how to transform some labels into mini-headers... [02:09:57] [discord] ```html [02:09:58] [discord]
[02:10:00] [discord] [02:10:01] [discord] ... [02:10:02] [discord] [02:10:03] [discord]
[02:10:05] [discord] ``` [02:10:18] [discord] ....You mean to tell me I'd have to do it all in CSS now? [02:10:29] [discord] no [02:10:31] [discord] What about using Wikitext or whatever? [02:10:39] [discord] you can use a class to identify specific infoboxes [02:10:48] [discord] do you have portableinfobox [02:10:50] [discord] install it [02:10:51] [discord] it makes it [02:10:52] [discord] Yes. [02:10:53] [discord] a hundred times easier [02:10:58] [discord] ok [02:10:58] [discord] now use it [02:11:13] [discord] have you made anything in portable infobox [02:11:22] [discord] it creates the `infobox` tag [02:11:48] [discord] If you have it enabled, you can use Special:PortableInfoboxBuilder to make infoboxes [02:11:56] [discord] yes [02:12:03] [discord] but they want to style their infoboxes with specific themes [02:12:14] [discord] but apparently this solution doesnt work because it involves too much html or somethign [02:12:32] [discord] No, it's...I thought the Wikitext markup thing was used? [02:12:45] [discord] wikitext can also include a lot of html tags [02:12:52] [discord] I know you can use HTML along with it. But I thought you *MADE* the infoboxes with the wikitext. [02:12:56] [discord] no [02:13:00] [discord] with portableinfobox [02:13:03] [discord] its mostly html [02:13:13] [discord] i actually find that a lot easier [02:13:13] [discord] I... [02:13:39] [discord] ...I mean, it's great that works for you, but... [02:13:46] [discord] most of the templates on "my" genshin wiki (i use my in quotes because i follow the philosophy that the wiki belongs to the community) are just written in html [02:14:05] [discord] with some limited wikitext [02:14:10] [discord] with infoboxes its mostly required[ [02:14:15] [discord] for the others its a personal choice [02:14:42] [discord] I've been using Wikitext this whole time with some CSS. Many of the ones I like use Wikitext...and I kinda find a mix of both pretty...okay... [02:14:52] [discord] Not my favorite to use both as a majority... [02:15:25] [discord] It's hard, okay. My first real infobox is a mess and I thought I had it, I really did. [02:15:26] [discord] with infoboxes you have to use css for portableinfobox [02:15:47] [discord] you could custom-made infobox templates but those are less compatible with mobile [02:16:13] [discord] I'm fine with not being mobile-friendly.. [02:16:26] [discord] Well, yes and no. There's a builder for Portable Infobox which doesn't require any special HTML knowledge, and the nice part with Portable Infobox is it doesn't require any fancy CSS [02:16:37] [discord] they want a lot of infoboxes with different themes [02:16:40] [discord] which will require at least some html [02:16:51] [discord] more people use mobile than desktop [02:17:03] [discord] If the goal is different *themes*, then yes [02:17:09] [discord] if you havent disabled analytics you should check your Special:Analytics [02:18:05] [discord] I'm not interested in that at the moment. I've no business getting into analytics when I can't even make the wiki function right. 😞 [02:18:57] [discord] before you decide how you want it to function, you need to know what kind of people visit your wiki [02:19:08] [discord] ...I already do. [02:19:09] [discord] otherwise you could make a bad experience for them and have to re-do it later [02:19:21] [discord] do you know how many mobile visitors you have [02:19:23] [discord] compared to desktop [02:19:24] [discord] That's not the problem here. [02:19:38] [discord] yes it is [02:20:49] [discord] ....How, exactly, when I'm asking for help with something else? [02:20:59] [discord] before you can decide how to do infoboxes [02:21:10] [discord] you have to know if you're going to need to target mobile users [02:21:30] [discord] ... :blobdisapproval: [02:22:27] [discord] ...This really isn't what I asked for help with. [02:22:35] [discord] i know [02:22:40] [discord] Why is this a problem? [02:22:49] [discord] because if you make the infobox not work on mobile [02:22:52] [discord] it can cause problems for your readers [02:23:25] [discord] There's nothing wrong with having a site that works best on a desktop. [02:24:02] [discord] there is a problem with having a site that is non functional on mobile [02:24:05] [discord] You know, maybe once I've made a billion freaking readers I can even make a nice app, for gods' sakes. [02:24:07] [discord] Let's maybe pause on this digression on mobile stuff, they're specifically needing help on a specific infobox. [02:24:25] [discord] Thank you. Gods almighty. [02:24:57] [discord] Good topic to revisit once they've got the fundamentals mastered, but they're not there yet. [02:25:20] [discord] EXACTLY wat I was thinking. 😒 [02:25:57] [discord] uh ok [02:26:02] [discord] whatever [02:26:09] [discord] then @marqq [02:26:14] [discord] continue with whatever infobox you had later [02:26:20] [discord] then add a class to it [02:26:21] [discord] and style it [02:26:22] [discord] on common.css [02:26:30] [discord] what part of that were you stuck with in particular [02:28:50] [discord] ...All of it? I don't even know where to start mentally...It's a lot. Uh...So. I'm following the CSS from Wikipedia. I also have looked at about 4 to five other Miraheze wikis in a paltry attempt to get to understand how these work. I thought if I studied the text I'd be able to understand; I found a type I liked and styled everything accordingly. But I guess my final attempt failed. [02:29:39] [discord] I don't know where to start...I just need a human speaking to me with language I can understand on how to make one...or a few...dozen... [02:29:48] [discord] 😞 [02:30:05] [discord] I can show the code I used? [02:30:24] [discord] Hmmm. Are you referring to the Template:Infobox Character on your wiki? [02:30:29] [discord] Yes. [02:30:32] [discord] Wait, no. [02:30:39] [discord] I made a new one called Template:Character. [02:31:25] [discord] It *looks* fine but it is *not*. :WAAAAAAA: [02:32:08] [discord] Infoboxes should be built into MediaWiki tbh [02:32:17] [discord] Alright, so problems at the moment: [02:32:17] [discord] [02:32:19] [discord] 1. You have a template, but you're unsure how to use it on other pages (or are encountering errors when you try). [02:32:20] [discord] 2. You have a template, but want to apply special styling in different circumstances, [02:32:32] [discord] Yes. [02:32:56] [discord] And I think I fudged up on what I have, anyway. [02:32:59] [discord] Alright. I'll take a look later once I'm back from dinner and see if I can provide you a working example [02:33:11] [discord] Thank you! :care: [03:45:31] [discord] per checkuser data and information from cocopuff's hosting provider, they are the one responsible for all the trolling accounts on their wiki, and keep trying to recruit people from this server to clean up the vandalism on their wiki that they created themselves [03:45:48] [discord] i say this with ~90-95% certaintity [03:46:02] [discord] Nope all the accounts came from an irc user [03:46:25] [discord] i also say with ~80% certainty that cocopuff randomly ran checkuser on BradonWM on his wiki for no reason and with 100% sure that at least someone did [03:46:36] [discord] When I sent the wiki on irc someone got the link and trolled ny wiki [03:47:45] [discord] care to explain why your hosting provider says you have a history of doing this, why you gave the excuse that it's a test to BrandonWM, why you can't explain how the IRC user found your contact, and why you have the same IP address and user agent as the troll accounts [03:47:50] [discord] Honestly this doesn't even belong in miraheze but anyways the wiki was trolled from an irc user [03:48:15] [discord] it does, because you continue to use miraheze's server to recruit people to clean up vandalism on your own wiki that you created [03:48:17] [discord] Honestly just leave me alone if ur gonna accuse me [03:48:21] [discord] This doesn't belong here [03:48:56] [discord] i had many things i would've liked to get done today and those didnt include reverting vandalism that you created and talking to your hosting provider to learn about your history of this [03:50:01] [discord] Nope I was working on my cpane the entire time when ya link a wiki on irc trolls get on ur site [03:50:08] [discord] Now leave me alone [03:50:18] [discord] you ignored most of what i said but k [03:50:24] [discord] Again leave me alone [03:50:27] [discord] Or I will report you [03:50:30] [discord] i will [03:50:35] [discord] you are the one who inserted yourself into this conversation [03:51:02] both of you shut up [03:51:15] [discord] Thank you [03:51:23] [discord] I'm gonna leave for a bit [03:51:42] [discord] unless an administrator requires otherwise i will re-start the conversation only if he continues to recruit people to waste their time and troll them again [03:51:51] Also, what site is this on? You are speaking as though it's not Miraheze [03:52:00] [discord] once again, this is posted in the miraheze server because he uses the miraheze server [03:52:04] [discord] Honestly my wiki was trolled from someone on irc... and this is not even on miraheze [03:52:07] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> Please move this conversation to #ID:615786602454581249 if it must continue. But since the wiki is off-Miraheze I would say drop it, and @Cocopuff2018 don't try and recruit people here to cleanup vandalism, whether self-created or not (which I don't know, nor have context to this conversation). [03:52:08] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> [03:52:09] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> But I will say this, the chances of someone randomly finding a link shared via IRC and deciding to randomly troll a wiki is highly improbable, since you mention it was the IRC link, which you can't possibly know for certain if that's where it came from, it creates a sorta understandable suspicion. But I will say, DROP this conversation in this channel. DO NOT bring it up again, and it has nothing to d [03:52:30] [discord] alright [03:52:48] The end of CosmicAlpha's message cut off, but I guess CosmicAlpha is a bit nicer than just "both of you shut up" [03:52:51] Lol [03:53:05] [discord] new topic is this: [03:53:10] [discord] Shut up is the nicest way to say things [03:53:17] [discord] checkuser gives you a surprisingly large amount of data that i didnt expect it to return [03:53:23] [discord] i found that when testing it on myself [03:53:35] All it should return is IP and user agent in the last 3 months [03:53:39] Doesn't even return referer [03:53:43] [discord] yeah i know [03:53:54] [discord] but when i clicked on my IP address it shows me the get edits screen [03:54:02] [discord] and i can find all the other edits on my IP address [03:54:08] [discord] and then i can also open another tab to get users on that IP address [03:54:10] [discord] etc [03:54:11] [discord] This custom infobox builder is just straight up trash it hardly works [03:54:14] [discord] its surprisingly powerful [03:54:19] That's not surprising [03:54:24] [discord] It doesn't even add new stuff to infovoxes [03:54:25] If it didn't have that feature it would be useless [03:54:30] [discord] yeah i know [03:54:32] That's literally what the purpose of it is [03:54:38] [discord] im just surprised its so easy to use [03:55:02] [discord] What do I add to make a background infobox Black [03:55:17] [discord] css [03:55:29] [discord] it depends how your infobox is identified/styled and what you are using [03:55:38] [discord] is it a custom template or is it portableinfobox? [03:55:44] [discord] Portable [03:55:52] [discord] ah [03:56:03] [discord] there was a discussion about this a bit above [03:56:07] [discord] observe genshinimpact.miraheze.org [03:56:33] [discord] for what i did w/ the infoboxes [03:56:38] [discord] I don't like the white [03:56:43] [discord] Its hard to see the text [03:56:45] [discord] specifically MediaWiki:Common.css and Template:Character Infobox [03:56:57] [discord] not sure what your wiki is [03:58:32] [discord] https://moviepedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [03:58:33] [url] Moviepedia | moviepedia.miraheze.org [03:59:34] [discord] one second [03:59:53] [discord] I can see that [04:00:31] [discord] cosmicalpha said that i have to stop talking about that [04:00:33] [discord] so i can see why [04:00:35] [discord] Ya see how light the wiki.is [04:00:55] [discord] what theme are you using? [04:01:06] [discord] Cosmos [04:01:08] [discord] the infoboxs look normal for me [04:01:09] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064393844591972382/image.png [04:01:12] [discord] And I have Visual on [04:01:14] [discord] ah [04:01:15] [discord] that explains it [04:01:16] [discord] one sec [04:01:44] [discord] Oh shit I mean Vector [04:01:52] [discord] oh i see lmao [04:02:39] [discord] Most reasonable [04:02:42] [discord] btw im *still* having this problem [04:02:45] [discord] maybe cosmos is causing it [04:02:58] [discord] I'm gonna be leaving this server now as I dont put much time into miraheze anymore and really want to focus on irl stuff thank you all for everything and happy new year [04:02:59] [discord] anyway looking into it [04:03:06] [discord] cya [04:03:30] [discord] Just too much on my plate atm [04:03:54] [discord] switched to vector and it still happens [04:03:58] [discord] i dont think cosmos does it [04:04:07] [discord] Hmmm, it's working on my end with a Cosmos-based wiki, I don't recall what troubleshooting you've done thus far, but have you tried making a minor edit to impacted pages, e.g. adding or removing a period? [04:04:14] [discord] yes [04:04:16] [discord] i have [04:04:21] [discord] Hmmm... [04:04:22] [discord] can retry tho [04:04:41] [discord] One thing I always disliked about cosmos is that fact that the page always was too small [04:04:50] [discord] It really messes up the look of the contents [04:04:58] [discord] it can be changed in settings [04:05:00] [discord] i changed it to be a bit larger [04:05:02] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> Which is now customisable, page size is customisable now. [04:05:20] [discord] i just did again on nahida page [04:05:26] [discord] which has both infobox and gallery to give a sample [04:05:30] [discord] and those still are broken [04:05:31] [discord] How is that [04:05:53] [discord] Could it be because the image is a .webp? [04:05:53] [discord] check however https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Famed_Handguard where the File:... embed works fine [04:05:54] [url] Famed Handguard - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org [04:05:58] [discord] possibly [04:05:59] [discord] let me check [04:06:33] In settings, I can't recall the exact name right now @Cocopuff2018. I added it a few months ago though. [04:06:51] [discord] THATS IT OML [04:06:52] [discord] i feel so stupid [04:06:54] [discord] I will look into it [04:06:59] [discord] Cosmos Content Width ($wgCosmosContentWidth) [04:07:00] [discord] but thanks for the help [04:07:05] [discord] surprised webp breaks it [04:07:06] [discord] I decided im gonna stay in this server [04:07:17] Yep, that's the one [04:07:26] [discord] Not sure if I feel like logging in atm to the wiki [04:08:21] [discord] Once the page size is extended i will be disabling all other themes [04:08:52] [discord] @Mar Qaroll , I did a basic example of how to implement the infobox on your wiki under a pending edit/creation of the User:NotAracham/sandbox page [04:09:40] [discord] It seems MultimediaViewer doesn't support it for some strange reason :thonk: [04:09:47] [discord] hmm yea [04:10:04] [discord] I'm guessing Wikimedia devs won't add support for it until WMF editors complain lol [04:10:12] [discord] so time to complain on WMF Phab [04:10:28] [discord] alright lmao [04:10:39] [discord] hmm actually [04:10:56] [discord] It seems you can control what extensions are displayed on MultimediaViewer [04:11:00] [discord] ah [04:11:02] [discord] $wgMediaViewerExtensions seems to control it [04:11:07] [discord] i cant find that option in managewiki [04:11:08] [discord] I don't know if it's in ManageWiki? [04:11:11] [discord] its not [04:11:24] [discord] Were is cosmoscontentwidth located [04:11:28] [discord] it'll probably need to be added via LocalSettings.php [04:11:31] @Agent I must be missing something, what doesn't MMV support? [04:11:38] [discord] .webp images [04:11:44] [discord] ^ [04:11:49] [discord] Wish it could be the size like fandom [04:11:51] Oh. [04:12:33] Cocopuff2018: set it to `full` I think. [04:15:34] [discord] Additional Settings > Styling [04:18:55] [discord] Sorry, I missed your ping! I was eating dinner. I will check it out now and get back to you. :blobslightsmile: [04:20:44] [discord] I'm sorry but in full doesn't look any better [04:20:47] [discord] On cosmos [04:22:09] [discord] @🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY [04:22:40] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> Wait a few minutes maybe. [04:23:00] [discord] Its still all crumbled up together [04:23:55] [discord] :blobthonkang: So, the text in the triple brackets becomes the word I use to then add normal text next to in the...um...:thinkcrazy: [04:24:51] [discord] Also, I thought I gave permissions to edit back to users... 😩 [04:26:53] [discord] I think I gave it back now... [04:26:56] [discord] Yep, so templates are essentially fun bits of logic that create re-usable output, and they can even call other templates inside themselves. [04:26:57] [discord] [04:26:58] [discord] Things with double braces are (mostly) templates or 'magic words'. [04:26:59] [discord] [04:27:01] [discord] Things with triple-braces are parameters you can enter when calling a template. You can either set them up to be based on the order you supply them, like {{{1}}}, or give them specific parameter names. [04:27:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7b1 [04:27:16] [discord] Ahh. [04:29:03] [discord] Cosmos looks even bigger in full size [04:29:16] [discord] is there any way to get `wgMediaViewerExtensions` into managewiki [04:29:27] [discord] Someone can look into it [04:29:34] [discord] I'm not too sure if it's easy to set it up [04:29:36] [discord] alright [04:29:41] [discord] CosmicAlpha would be more knowledgeable about it [04:29:58] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> I'll try and add it sometime if possible. [04:30:17] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> Should be possible. But I am headed out for today now. [04:30:18] [discord] thanks [04:30:23] [discord] have a good day [04:32:13] [discord] So, does this mean I've pretty much made the template already or...there's still some wonky things about it? I sincerely cannot tell. 😓 [04:32:59] [discord] You've done 99% of what you need, you just needed to understand how to use the template. 😄 [04:33:00] [discord] [04:33:01] [discord] That takes care of problem 1 [04:33:27] [discord] Problem 2 is a bit more complicated and requires modifying the template [04:34:08] [discord] :notetaking: [05:04:25] [discord] Hmmm, looks like there's still some issues with the template structure, see screenshotted output: [05:04:26] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064409772163600415/image.png [05:05:08] [discord] 🤔 [05:05:21] [discord] Yeah, I...don't know how that happened... 😖 [05:05:27] [discord] I'll see if I can figure it out... [05:05:31] [discord] ...again... [05:06:01] [discord] I might take a look at where you borrowed it from, and compare. You can use online tools like https://www.diffchecker.com/ to compare two long blocks of text to confirm [05:06:01] [url] Diffchecker - Compare text online to find the difference between two text files | www.diffchecker.com [05:06:27] [discord] :o [05:11:56] [discord] @Stewards this is still broken/still an issue https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1063310065051901982/1063499401093460049 [05:11:56] [url] Discord | discord.com [05:12:24] [discord] someone lost perms due to the db outage [05:12:30] [discord] and they still havent been put back [05:14:33] [discord] ok also, is it just me, or is it a bad idea to have wikis that document medical conditions https://learning.miraheze.org/wiki/Ehlers_danlos_syndrome [05:14:33] [url] Ehlers danlos syndrome - Learning | learning.miraheze.org [05:14:48] [discord] maybe im wrong but that seems like a poor idea [05:14:56] [discord] why? [05:15:09] [discord] might be taken as medical advice [05:15:34] [discord] wikipedia does it, some conditions are well written and researched, some aren't and fit for a specific wiki [05:15:42] [discord] wikipedia requires medical articles to have sources or else they get deleted more aggressively than general article and forbids medical-related reference desk questions [05:15:46] [discord] you gotta be very silly to take Wikipedia as advice [05:15:59] [discord] medical books always were a thing too [05:16:07] [discord] ok ok whatever [05:16:45] [discord] research and proofs are essential, of course [05:16:46] [discord] if they aren't regarded then yes, it's dumb [05:18:27] [discord] So, it is getting into grey territory about the misinformation content policy (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy, CP 8), but that should be reported via the Stewards' Noticeboard with examples if there's worrying content, e.g. dangerous medical advice. [05:18:27] [url] Content Policy - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [05:18:45] [discord] alright got it [05:19:35] [discord] is there any way to find cross-wiki contribs for an IP [05:32:13] [discord] had an idea, even before fandom's garbage UCP update, they'd rarely have any downtime, and the pre-UCP code is still available at Wikia/app on github [05:32:22] [discord] we could look through for information on what they did about peformance [05:36:41] [discord] first thing i found in the search function so far: [05:36:42] [url] app/extensions/wikia/PerformanceMonitoring at dev · Wikia/app · GitHub | github.com [05:39:41] [discord] also found in c.fandom.com 's Special:Version [05:39:42] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064418646547509298/image.png [05:42:58] [discord] also at [05:42:59] [discord] [05:42:59] [url] app/database.txt at dev · Wikia/app · GitHub | github.com [05:43:00] [discord] found this: [05:43:01] [discord] ``` [05:43:02] [discord] [05:43:04] [discord] === Lag avoidance === [05:43:05] [discord] [05:43:06] [discord] To avoid excessive lag, queries which write large numbers of rows should [05:43:08] [discord] be split up, generally to write one row at a time. Multi-row INSERT ... [05:43:09] [discord] SELECT queries are the worst offenders should be avoided altogether. [05:43:10] [discord] Instead do the select first and then the insert. [05:43:12] [discord] ``` [05:45:04] [discord] i would suggest reading that whole txt file along with searching the keywords `lag` and `performance` because most of it goes way above my head and idk what theyre talking abotu [05:45:24] [discord] I am so confused...There aren't any differences between what I copied from and what I did in the places that are wonky...but *re*copying and pasting the words worked?! 😭 Does it look better on your side? :imokay: [05:46:00] [discord] might be an issue with spacing or accidentally putting a weird character somewhere [05:46:39] [discord] Freaking code. 😭 [05:48:49] [discord] Hmm, still off, but not a huge issue. Could be a caching problem. I need to call it a night though. [05:48:57] [discord] have a good night [05:49:03] [discord] Okay. Thank you so much! [05:54:18] [discord] also if we're using parsoid (i think we are?) maybe fandom's fork has some performance changes, someone should check https://github.com/Wikia/parsoid-ucp [05:54:18] [url] GitHub - Wikia/parsoid-ucp: 📝 New Parsoid deployment | github.com [05:57:31] [discord] Most of their docs don't really apply to us [05:57:52] [discord] ah [05:57:58] [discord] Pre-UCP, they ran MediaWiki 1.19 when the latest was 1.33 [05:58:06] [discord] makes sense [05:58:12] [discord] the only reason we ever go offline is usually not MediaWiki related [05:58:21] [discord] The number one cause is a database going offline [05:58:27] [discord] the number two cause is human error [05:58:35] [discord] that makes sense [05:58:49] [discord] what is the cause of all those backend timeout errors [05:59:00] [discord] whenever i import a file it keeps importing for a while just fine [05:59:12] [discord] but eventually it goes to the backend timeout pae [05:59:20] [discord] but even once it reaches that it doesnt stop importin [05:59:28] [discord] it just keeps going and finishes eventually [05:59:39] [discord] A backend timeout means that the request took too long to finish so the web server purposefully kills it [05:59:46] [discord] hmmm [06:00:03] [discord] If it didn't kill every connection that took too long, someone could make hundreds of connections, do something that takes a lot of time and lock up the server [06:00:17] [discord] It generally times out if an action takes over a minute to complete [06:00:21] [discord] could an exception for that be made for Special:Import or something so that it says it's been taking too long to finish importing but will probably continue/finish eventually [06:00:25] [discord] because [06:00:29] [discord] that seems to be the case [06:00:38] [discord] I believe that's not possible unfortunately [06:00:39] [discord] once it hits the backend timeout it doesnt really stop importin [06:00:42] [discord] ah i see [06:00:56] [discord] If you're trying to import something heavy, use [[Special:RequestImportDump]] [06:00:56] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestImportDump [06:00:56] [discord] [06:00:57] [url] Not logged in - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [06:01:23] [discord] its not *that* heavy [06:01:30] [discord] its like templates i took from fandom and such' [06:01:31] [discord] Heavy is anything over like 2KBs lol [06:01:34] [discord] oh [06:01:36] [discord] wtf [06:01:43] [discord] MediaWiki is very inefficient at importing stuff [06:01:45] [discord] i usually get things upwards of a megabyte to upload with enough stubbornness [06:01:53] [discord] import isn't only put XML in [06:01:53] [discord] Witchcraft! [06:01:58] [discord] lmao [06:01:59] [discord] yea [06:02:39] [discord] Yeah, if you keep refreshing enough times on the 503 screen it'll eventually finish [06:02:52] [discord] I've gotten a 30MB file to import once doing that [06:02:56] [discord] makes sense [06:03:00] [discord] thats what i do [06:04:02] [discord] ...I probably shouldn't put this trick in the import guide. 😅 [06:04:37] [discord] Sounds like a recipe for users hitting refresh.... a LOT. [06:06:39] [discord] lmao yeah [06:13:13] [discord] if anyones wondering why i enabled a bunch of random archive formats for file uploads [06:13:18] [discord] on genshinimpact.miraheze.org [06:13:29] [discord] someone on community noticeboard said they're in china and have to use a proxy to log in [06:13:33] [discord] i think that it'd be safer for them to use tor [06:13:34] [discord] however [06:13:38] [discord] torproject.org is obviously [06:13:39] [discord] censored in china [06:13:53] [discord] at DNS-level blocking or whatever its called [06:14:16] [discord] so im going to mirror tor's latest download on genshinimpact.miraheze.org w/ meek azure bridge [06:14:32] [discord] so if the proxy was compromised (this would not be the first time) they have plausible deniability of "i was learning about genshin impact" [06:14:35] [discord] The CN reporters issue is completely unrelated to any global block [06:14:42] [discord] i know that [06:14:53] [discord] I just saw your reply [06:15:03] [discord] Global blocks can't revoke someone's read ability [06:15:11] [discord] oh [06:15:18] [discord] im not sure what you mean by global block [06:15:20] [discord] ??? [06:15:24] [discord] they're just not allowed to edit [06:15:36] [discord] w/ proxy/vpn blocks [06:15:41] [discord] i [06:15:43] [discord] never [06:15:44] [discord] said anything [06:15:45] [discord] about that [06:15:52] [discord] Global lock = Disables an account [06:15:53] [discord] Global block = Disables an IP [06:15:55] [discord] Global ban = Completely boots someone off Miraheze [06:16:02] [discord] i dont know what that has to do with me [06:16:12] [discord] are you in China? [06:16:19] [discord] I'm still talking about the CN thread [06:16:38] [discord] I'm clarifying that even if their IP was globally blocked, it'll never cause them to be unable to view a wiki [06:16:42] [discord] i know that [06:16:45] [discord] oml [06:16:50] [discord] they're locked out of a private wiki [06:16:52] [discord] so we're running around in circles lol [06:17:00] [discord] from what i can tell they said they're locked out of a private wiki [06:17:03] [discord] yes [06:30:56] [discord] quick question for anyone that wants to chime in, all opinions welcome [06:31:07] [discord] what would be thought of of a clerk position for meta? [06:31:22] [discord] stewards are quite busy and SN and RfRW are often quite backlogged [06:31:30] [discord] Needless probably [06:31:32] [discord] Anyone can clerk [06:31:44] [discord] that was going to be my next point [06:31:48] [discord] i didnt know that [06:31:55] [discord] just curious if the community thought an official position would be better [06:31:59] [discord] like wikimedia [06:32:06] [discord] Yeah, you don't need to be a Steward to clerk the noticeboards [06:32:17] [discord] I used to clerk them before I was Steward [06:32:30] [discord] too much bureaucracy [06:32:32] [discord] Essentially, just don't be a nuisance if you clerk [06:32:36] [discord] same here [06:32:39] [discord] as long as people arent being stupid i think it should be fine [06:32:42] [discord] but otherwise, be my guest [06:32:47] [discord] yeah just a briefg thought [06:32:51] [discord] You're a Steward? \:P [06:33:06] [discord] woahhh congrats on the promotion 😎 [06:33:08] [discord] not quite yet 😆 [06:33:28] [discord] thanks gtg checkuser all accounts on miraheze rq brb [06:33:29] [discord] Speaking of promotion [06:33:32] [discord] lmao [06:33:48] [discord] speaking of promotion? [06:34:12] [discord] lets make brandonwm admin /j [06:34:24] [discord] ah [06:34:25] [discord] > User rights log Agent Isai talk contribs changed group membership for Agent Isai from central notice manager, flooder, interface administrator, steward, administrator and wiki creator to central notice manager, interface administrator, steward, administrator and wiki creator ‎(Done) [06:34:27] [discord] in meta RC [06:34:46] [discord] all good with you if i import a template from wikipedia? just the clerking template [06:34:51] [discord] the blue :SupportMH: [06:35:15] [discord] Yeah, I forgot to remove my flooder flag [06:35:36] [discord] I guess though I don't really see much use in that [06:35:38] [discord] yea fair [06:35:56] [discord] Clerking, in my view, would be like fixing broken requests, asking for more info where it's needed, etc [06:36:05] [discord] thought it might be easier for stewards when they check the noticeboards to know what to focus their time on [06:36:07] [discord] That's what I used to do when I essentially clerked for Dmehus [06:36:12] [discord] instead of looking at everything [06:36:14] [discord] ah [06:36:28] [discord] i have no idea how u define clerking [06:37:32] [discord] kind of checking the noticeboards and doing what @Agent said but also clearing requests for stewards to focus their time on [06:37:55] [discord] some requests don't need steward intervention and there's no point having stewards go through all requests [06:38:09] [discord] if half of them are done and don't need their assistance [06:38:53] [discord] Clerking guidelines is basically: [06:38:53] [discord] \*Make sure requests are in the right place [06:38:54] [discord] \*Fix broken requests [06:38:55] [discord] \*Ask people for more info where there's a lack of info [06:38:56] [discord] \*Answer questions where you have the knowledge [06:39:19] [discord] A big one is that if you don't know the answer to something, don't answer it with fluff [06:39:25] [discord] yup [06:39:58] [discord] would you prefer i upload the blue + sign locally on meta or on commons [06:40:10] [discord] that makes sense [06:40:16] [discord] @cookie guy for example, the request you replied to on the SN could've been moved to the CN [06:40:21] [discord] thus saving you having to direct them there [06:40:45] [discord] ah, should i move requests in the future? [06:40:57] [discord] wasn't aware i should if needed [06:41:03] [discord] Yes, if possible [06:41:14] [discord] Moving requests to the right place is encouraged [06:41:16] [discord] gotcha, will move right now [06:41:29] [discord] @Agent delete as vandalism please https://bta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Beta_1.7.6.2_02&action=history [06:41:30] [url] Beta 1.7.6.2 02: Revision history - Better Than Adventure | bta.miraheze.org [06:41:37] [discord] i think anyway [06:41:42] [discord] maybe im wrong [06:41:48] [discord] i do know they're testing xss cheatsheets and obviously aren't getting anywhere [06:42:02] [discord] This is better suited to the CVT channel [06:42:07] [discord] sorry about that [06:42:20] [discord] No worries, you're still getting the hang of things. 🙂 [06:42:27] [discord] ye [06:42:45] [discord] ? [06:42:59] [discord] commons requires someone else to upload [06:43:23] [discord] Done [06:43:34] [discord] It should be on Wikimedia Commons [06:43:38] [discord] So it shouldn't be needed [06:43:42] [discord] ah okay [06:43:45] [discord] let me look [06:43:46] [discord] kk thanks [06:45:57] [discord] oh yeah his talk page wasnt really vandalism, it was me saying that he shouldnt try to test xss cheatsheets in production but it wasnt necessary tbf so it can be deletde [06:46:01] [discord] done [06:46:49] [discord] I always use Special:Nuke to mass delete anything created by a vandal so I'm guessing it somehow picked up that page and nuked it too [06:46:59] [discord] ah i see [06:47:00] [discord] makes sense [06:53:12] [discord] @Agent all done [06:53:34] [discord] is it okay if I move Template:On hold to Template:Pending [06:53:37] [discord] it just sounds better [06:54:41] [discord] yes [06:54:44] [discord] it does sound better [06:54:56] [discord] like it just sounds cleaner [06:54:58] [discord] i don't know [06:55:27] [discord] yes [06:55:31] [discord] ik what u mean [06:55:35] [discord] [[Template:On hold]] [06:55:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:On_hold [06:55:36] [discord] [06:55:37] [url] Template:On hold - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [06:55:49] [discord] hmm [06:55:50] [discord] yea [06:56:13] [discord] Hmmm, well, if we're diving into semantics, on hold clearly indicates that action is halted pending some unblocking action. [06:56:34] [discord] Pending on the other hand could suggest that there is still forward action being taken, and that action may be imminent (e.g. confused with in progress) [06:56:48] [discord] well we have in progress and pending [06:56:49] [discord] hm [06:56:50] [discord] fair [06:56:52] [discord] idk [06:56:56] [discord] yea [07:01:50] [discord] yes no maybe so? [07:02:02] [discord] Given that these templates are used throughout meta for several use-cases, I'd advise against making any changes yourself. [07:02:42] [discord] This template also supports custom text if you feel the need to use it in a fun/different way, so I'd lean against changing it. [07:02:52] [discord] happy to adjust redlinks as well [07:03:03] [discord] true but feels like Pending should be default [07:03:13] [discord] or another option is I just create a different template for that [07:03:16] [discord] and there's both [07:03:46] [discord] this is so [07:03:47] [discord] petty [07:03:53] [discord] it doesnt matter either way oml [07:05:05] [discord] I mean, in the end, a non sysop moving a page results in a redirect being made [07:05:20] [discord] so no usage will be broken [07:05:44] [discord] yes/no/maybe so? [07:05:48] [discord] happy to update all transclusions [07:06:05] [discord] Shouldn't be needed as a redirect is made when a non-sysop moves a page [07:06:35] [discord] People already know and use one name for this template with an expected outcome, creating a redirect is fin and all but changing default language isn't advisable. [07:06:38] [discord] ah okay. good to go then? [07:06:48] [discord] no [07:06:55] [discord] discussion not finished yet [07:07:03] [discord] it's barely used regardless so users wouldn't realize that much of a difference [07:07:13] [discord] i'd be more likely to use it in the future tbh if it were pending [07:07:45] [discord] You'd be better off probably creating a new page at {{Pending}} and redirecting it to {{On hold}} [07:07:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Pending [07:07:46] [discord] [07:07:47] [discord] [07:07:47] [url] Creating Pending - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [07:07:48] [url] Template:On hold - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [07:08:05] [discord] or [07:08:27] [discord] you could set the contents of {{Pending}} to {{On hold|Pending}} [07:08:27] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Pending [07:08:28] [discord] [07:08:29] [url] Creating Pending - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [07:08:37] [discord] Yes, even better. [07:08:57] [discord] Creating a change for your convenience that would cause changes retroactively is bad practice. [07:08:58] [discord] :StrongestSupportMH: [07:09:53] [discord] good idea [07:09:54] [discord] @Agent assume you would have to use {{On hold}} to change from On hold to some other language? [07:09:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:On_hold [07:09:55] [discord] [07:09:56] [url] Template:On hold - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [07:10:15] [discord] as {{Pending}} is only **Pending** [07:10:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Pending [07:10:16] [discord] [07:10:17] [url] Creating Pending - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [07:10:30] [discord] Can't you pipe it to read "On hold"? [07:10:44] [discord] what do you mean [07:11:03] [discord] Can't you do {{Pending|On hold}} to have the text read differently? [07:11:03] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Pending [07:11:19] [discord] It's currently {{On hold|Pending}} [07:11:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:On_hold [07:11:27] [discord] I'm so confused [07:11:28] [discord] I can switch to {{Pending|On hold}} though [07:11:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Pending [07:11:30] [discord] Oh, hmmm, you'd have to set a default, there's a way to do this... [07:11:32] [discord] Night [07:11:42] [discord] alright night [07:11:58] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064441871306338334/Screen_Shot_2023-01-15_at_11.11.53_PM.png [07:12:02] [discord] night [07:12:11] [discord] Yeah, that's the one [07:12:16] [discord] alright im sleeping too [07:12:17] [discord] gn [07:12:32] [discord] would you prefer {{on hold|pending}} or vice versa [07:12:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:on_hold [07:12:38] [discord] what's the default [07:12:55] [discord] ah wait never mind @Colleiflower fixed it [07:14:24] [discord] Hey Brandon, you created that in the main namespace instead of the template namespace [07:14:56] [discord] wait i'm not that stupid am i [07:15:34] [discord] hey @NotAracham guess what i'm that stupid [07:15:37] [discord] shit my bad guys sorry [07:18:09] [discord] moved, candidate for deletion on main namespace page [07:18:48] [discord] if a meta admin could check the candidates for deletion category on meta tomorrow, would be much appreciated (think there's a handful of stuff in there) [08:41:10] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> I'll look real quick. [08:49:03] [discord] <🚫 CosmicAlpha | 💯 AWAY> Cleared. [11:50:40] [discord] Welcome @daszu! If you would like to authenticate (validate) your Miraheze account, please type [12:21:34] [discord] hello [12:21:57] [discord] how can I activate MassEditRegex? I have in one wiki but I don't know how it was activated [13:38:46] [discord] Welcome @Toucanet! If you would like to authenticate (validate) your Miraheze account, please type [13:46:02] [discord] go to Special:ManageWiki/extensions on your wiki, and under the Special Pages tab, check "Mass Edit using Regular Expressions" [13:47:20] [discord] thank you [13:48:23] [discord] is there another way to **search** more faithfully code or http links rather than having to use that complement? also I think it only affects the prefix you selected, and not the entire page as ReplaceText [14:04:31] [discord] Goodnight! [14:05:05] [discord] i'm not sure if there's another option. what do you mean by entire page? you mean it doesnt search all pages on the wiki? no it doesnt, it can only edit specific pages, all pages in a category, or all pages with a prefix [14:05:34] [discord] or all pages that link to a page [14:05:35] [discord] yes. replacetext searched in all the page [14:05:45] [discord] yeah, masseditregex cant do that [14:05:52] [discord] the search is broken though [14:06:00] [discord] what do you mean [14:07:10] [discord] https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Buscar&profile=all&search=ostagram&fulltext=1 [14:07:12] [url] Resultados de la búsqueda de «ostagram» - Bestiario del Hypogripho | tuscriaturas.miraheze.org [14:07:29] [discord] in that search it should appear this page: https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Anexo:Lista_de_generadores_de_imagen_a_imagen [14:07:30] [url] Anexo:Lista de generadores de imagen a imagen - Bestiario del Hypogripho | tuscriaturas.miraheze.org [14:07:48] [discord] as is in the "code" / url, it doesn't show [14:08:28] [discord] only appears with ostagram.me [14:08:39] [discord] but maybe I don't remember the ".me" [14:09:08] [discord] I think that that is related with coincidences or entire words [14:10:59] [discord] you mean for all users to be able to search? [14:11:08] [discord] masseditregex is for editing pages [14:11:32] [discord] I know, but I used replacetext to search for the edits I want, too [14:12:53] [discord] for example, if I have several links to domain.xyz but the domain changed to domain.abc and the "entire word" is not the domain. Now I can't figure out how can I do the replaces because I have to know where the replaces have to be [14:13:32] [discord] ah ok, well you could do that with masseditregex if the pages you want to search are in a category [14:13:48] [discord] put the category name in the Pages to Edit box [14:14:02] [discord] check "Category Names" [14:14:08] [discord] would work if a set all categories? [14:14:22] [discord] yes, but you have to type them all in yourself [14:14:23] [discord] (a mass list, I mean) [14:14:48] [discord] and in the search for box, type: [14:15:21] [discord] so the only way to be sure it reaches would be doing two massedits, one putting all categories and one all the NS. [14:16:12] [discord] yes, although im not sure if you can do the Main namespace without it having a prefix [14:16:57] [discord] in the search for box, you would type: [14:17:07] [discord] /ostagram/ [14:17:22] [discord] you need the slashes because it's a regular expression [14:21:19] [discord] what is $1 ? [14:22:03] [discord] if you were to actually want to replace text, then $1 would be whatever is enclosed in the first set of parentheses in the search for box [14:23:09] [discord] so if you had /hello (world)/ in the search for box, and hey $1 in the replace box, the result would be "hey world" [14:23:15] [discord] imagine I have [14:23:15] [discord] Archivo:J_Paul_Getty_Ms_100_Bestiario_de_Northumberland_folio (etc) [14:23:17] [discord] [14:23:18] [discord] But I want the files to have dots after the first J and the Ms, like this [14:23:19] [discord] Archivo:J_Paul_Getty_Ms_100_Bestiario_de_Northumberland_folio (etc) [14:23:21] [discord] [14:23:22] [discord] [14:23:23] [discord] I would put: [14:23:25] [discord] Archivo: [14:23:26] [discord] /Archivo:J_Paul_Getty_Ms_100_Bestiario_de_Northumberland_folio (etc)/ [14:23:27] [discord] /Archivo:J._Paul_Getty/_Ms_100_Bestiario_de_Northumberland_folio (etc)/ [14:24:08] [discord] oh im not sure you can change the title of the page using this extension, if that's what youre asking [14:24:27] [discord] oh, ok... [14:24:43] [discord] also, in the replace box, you dont need slashes [14:25:06] [discord] in the third I don't? ok [14:25:11] [discord] right [14:26:15] [discord] pretty confusing and complex. I'll try another day more [14:26:30] [discord] ok, it gets easier when you get used it it [14:41:02] [discord] I have tried many times previously and I always resorted to asking people that now how to do it. [14:41:03] [discord] I even had a help page with one of the replaces to do (and now I can't find it...), but that change was more complex (http to https when the pages are archive.org and also add a if_) [14:41:04] [discord] [14:41:05] [discord] Anyway, thanks for solving my doubts [14:42:11] [discord] ok, well if you have any more questions about how to use it, feel free to ping me [14:44:16] [discord] the http to https wouldnt be that hard, just a simple replace. im not sure where you want the if_ to go [14:57:09] [discord] What happened to the template wiki? [15:00:32] [discord] Its still there at templatewikiarchive.miraheze.org, but the new template wiki is dev.miraheze.org [15:26:29] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10117 - db121 frequently OOMs, authored by Reception123, assigned to None, Priority: High, Status: Open [15:26:30] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T9446 - Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.39.1, authored by Universal_Omega, assigned to Universal_Omega, Priority: High, Status: Open [16:58:14] @RhinosF1 can that be moved to #miraheze-sre please? [16:59:20] CosmicAlpha|AWAY: there’s a patch to improve it [16:59:40] I’ll look when I’m not being a grumpy old man [16:59:48] RhinosF1: Link? (out of curiosity) [17:00:13] CosmicAlpha|AWAY: not off top of my head [17:00:22] okay no problem. [17:07:05] RhinosF1: it’s set in the config - shouldn’t be to change that [17:07:30] (Moving it should not at all be blocked on the PR) [17:07:37] MacFan4000: I thought that was only on beta [17:07:45] I didn’t think I ever copied that across [17:08:38] https://github.com/FOSSBots/MirahezeBots/blob/release/MirahezeBots/plugins/phab.py#L19 [17:08:38] [url] MirahezeBots/phab.py at release · FOSSBots/MirahezeBots · GitHub | github.com [17:08:44] That’s on the release branch [17:08:57] that is a definition for the setting [17:09:49] I’ll change it later [17:09:57] I am pleasantly surprised [17:10:16] Only about highpri though [17:12:59] [discord] thanks [17:21:53] [discord] <🚷DRUNK DRIVER GOKU🚷> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064595358665150615/IMG_20230112_171644_492.jpg [17:25:01] [discord] RE: deleted image, please refrain from posting entirely unrelated pictures in general chat. [18:33:49] [discord] all my hyperlinks on a page that are redirects are replacing the text in the redirected page title, how do i stop this? [18:33:50] [discord] [18:33:51] [discord] e.g [18:33:53] [discord] **Shortword** page redirects to **Long page title which is longer** [18:33:54] [discord] [18:33:55] [discord] "the [[Shortword]] is very cool" in source, when published becomes "the [[Long page title which is longer]] is very cool" [18:33:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Shortword https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Long_page_title_which_is_longer [18:33:56] [discord] [18:33:58] [discord] whereas i want it to say Shortword, and hyperlink to the Shortword page to redirect to Long page title which is longer, rather than have the long page title which is longer replace the mentions of Shortword [18:33:59] [discord] [18:34:00] [url] Creating Shortword - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:34:00] [discord] [18:34:01] [url] Creating Long page title which is longer - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:34:02] [discord] i dont know if any of that made sense [18:35:07] [discord] tldr the redirect pages like these say [[IFP]] in the article when editing in either visual or source, but when published the text displays the redirected name instead of IFP [18:35:07] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/IFP [18:35:08] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064613790089482280/image.png [18:35:09] [discord] [18:35:10] [url] Creating IFP - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:35:35] [discord] is it an extension maybe? [18:37:13] [discord] can you give a link to your wiki? [18:40:33] [discord] don't worry! it's all sorted, i sort of jumped the gun asking the server [18:40:43] [discord] it was an issue with the DisplayTitle extension [18:40:45] [discord] ty anyway [18:41:52] [discord] ah i see lol np [18:42:15] [discord] I think it also could have been sorted by something like `[[Shortsword|Shortsword]]`, this syntax uses the first part as the page to link to, the second part as the text to factually display. [18:42:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Shortsword [18:43:03] [discord] But agreed, deeply annoying that it's relaying the destination name instead, good to know that it was a DisplayTitle issue! [18:45:06] [discord] Infoboxes are running correctly for everybody but me [18:45:06] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064616302024601640/image.png [18:45:10] [discord] anyone know what may be up? [18:46:13] [discord] what browser are you using, what browser extensions are you using, what theme are you using, and how do those differ from the other people visiting the wiki? [18:46:16] [discord] also, what's your wiki URL? [18:46:30] [discord] Firefox and these are my extensions [18:46:30] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064616655918993498/image.png [18:46:43] [discord] tampermonkey doesn't have anything on it besides the youtube age restriction script [18:47:00] [discord] Stylus doesn't have any style on it for our stie too [18:47:00] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064616779311218749/image.png [18:47:07] [discord] https://xomni.miraheze.org/ [18:47:08] [url] Main Page - Xomnipedia | xomni.miraheze.org [18:47:23] [discord] hmm one second [18:47:38] [discord] have you tried clearing your browser cache [18:47:55] [discord] yes [18:47:56] [discord] many times [18:48:01] [discord] thats weird [18:48:04] [discord] hmm hold on [18:48:05] [discord] no shit [18:48:13] [discord] im also on firefox w/ similar extensions and im not having the same problem [18:48:28] [discord] yea It's weird [18:48:32] [discord] press ctrl shift and i, and go to console, what errors are you getting? [18:48:43] [discord] I logged out of my account too so it's not a personal styling thing [18:48:57] [discord] hmm i see [18:49:04] [discord] no errors [18:49:04] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064617299199410206/image.png [18:49:14] [discord] hmm [18:49:15] [discord] ok [18:49:17] [discord] hold on [18:49:51] [discord] only warning [18:49:52] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064617498093305906/image.png [18:50:01] [discord] ye i see [18:50:13] [discord] Hrm. To rule out the browser, can you test to see if this happens outside of firefox too? [18:50:18] [discord] yea def will do so [18:50:24] [discord] oh yea good idea [18:50:25] [discord] Probably a firefox issue I'm reckoning [18:50:31] [discord] perhaps [18:50:36] [discord] Yeah, maybe some blocked js setting? [18:50:37] [discord] tho i have firefox w/ similar extensions [18:50:39] [discord] and im not having that issue [18:50:44] [discord] but it could be browser configuration [18:50:48] [discord] instead of extensions ig [18:50:49] [discord] yea it works on edge [18:50:49] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064617740574404702/image.png [18:50:56] [discord] hmm [18:51:15] [discord] Maybe I blocked something important with ublock by accident? [18:51:16] [discord] do you recall manually changing anything significant in firefox's about:config] [18:51:18] [discord] I tried turning it off [18:51:20] [discord] and idk [18:51:32] [discord] Never even touched it [18:51:34] [discord] ah [18:51:39] [discord] Do you have Extended Tracking Protection on? [18:51:50] [discord] it works fine for me w/ ublock and i also have only 2 detections [18:51:55] [discord] i do [18:51:55] [discord] I do [18:51:57] [discord] and it works fine for me [18:51:58] [discord] and it [18:52:03] [discord] didn't change anything [18:52:05] [discord] when I disabled it [18:52:20] [discord] furthermore i enabled *all* ublock filters and have quite a few custom filters [18:52:28] [discord] so i doubt its a problem with ublock itself [18:52:28] [discord] hmmm [18:52:36] [discord] have you tried updating your extensions & updating firefox? [18:52:49] [discord] My only filter is 4chan :kek: [18:52:54] [discord] Like I have the entire website blocked [18:52:55] [discord] Try launching firefox in troubleshoot mode https://mzl.la/3vUhzHB [18:52:56] [url] Diagnose Firefox issues using Troubleshoot Mode | Firefox Help | mzl.la [18:53:03] [discord] Will do so [18:53:20] [discord] good idea, i wasnt aware of that extension [18:53:48] [discord] anyway brb going to play genshin impact and then maybe gtg for school after that [18:53:57] [discord] <— member of Mozilla’s support team [18:54:31] [discord] nope nothing [18:54:31] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064618671059783806/image.png [18:54:38] [discord] Not the extensions either [18:54:42] [discord] seems to be a firefox issue [18:54:43] [discord] You are on latest version? [18:54:52] [discord] Other browsers don't have a problem, yeah? [18:54:56] [discord] yea they don't [18:55:19] [discord] bruh [18:55:23] [discord] it's something with my user though [18:55:27] [discord] opened the page in private mode [18:55:34] [discord] it works [18:55:34] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064618934403350670/image.png [18:55:35] [discord] :bruh: [18:55:36] [discord] what is up [18:55:58] [discord] hmm [18:56:00] [discord] that is weird [18:56:05] [discord] I cleared ALL the cache [18:56:08] [discord] not just the website cache [18:56:10] [discord] anyway brb timed challenge commission in genshin [18:56:10] [discord] still doesn't work [18:56:28] [discord] these take precedence over everything [18:56:33] [discord] including survival [18:56:34] [discord] sure bro [18:56:36] [discord] so brb [18:56:48] [discord] I'm at a standstill [18:56:57] [discord] @Zppix so do you reckon you know what this could be?? [18:57:06] [discord] There's always this as the nuclear option: [18:57:07] [discord] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings [18:57:08] [url] Refresh Firefox - reset add-ons and settings | Firefox Help | support.mozilla.org [18:57:13] [discord] I'd rather not [18:57:20] [discord] hmm [18:57:28] [discord] one second [18:57:44] [discord] also using the latest version [18:57:44] [discord] i am thinking [18:57:46] [discord] forgot to mention that [18:57:46] [discord] Could be UBlock or something [18:57:49] [discord] no [18:57:51] [discord] he already disabled that [18:57:58] [discord] and it didnt solve it [18:57:59] [discord] & its enabled in private browsing [18:58:03] [discord] troubleshoot mode also removes all extensions [18:58:07] [discord] i also have ublock on and it works fine and i have even more filters than him enabled [18:58:09] [discord] so no [18:58:10] [discord] it's not that [18:58:11] [discord] But troubleshooting mode should of disabled everything [18:58:13] [discord] It did [18:58:18] [discord] but it still didn't work [18:58:22] [discord] Private mode kept some extensions [18:58:24] [discord] and it did work [18:58:25] [discord] ??? [18:58:27] [discord] yeah only god knows whats happening now [18:58:28] [discord] Did you purge the page using &purge [18:58:31] [discord] Definitely cache [18:58:36] [discord] I cleaned all the cache [18:58:39] [discord] ALL of it [18:58:40] [discord] he already tried to clear browser cache [18:58:41] [discord] wait [18:58:42] [discord] one idea [18:58:44] [discord] hold on a min [18:58:51] [discord] Server cache too? [18:58:54] [discord] Yeah but did you purge the server cache [18:58:59] [discord] how do you do that sorry [18:59:02] [discord] Under More > Purge on the page [18:59:10] [discord] about to do something really stupid brb if i break firefox [18:59:19] [discord] I think it’s &action=purge at end of url [18:59:25] [discord] or ?action=purge [18:59:31] [discord] depends if you're on w/index or /wiki [19:00:18] [discord] i was planning on manually deleting the cache files [19:00:19] [discord] but i cant find them [19:00:20] [discord] so that didnt work rip [19:00:21] [discord] nope [19:00:23] [discord] still didn't work [19:00:26] [discord] hmm [19:00:29] [discord] I don't know at this point [19:00:30] [discord] try to clear cache again [19:00:32] [discord] just to be sure [19:00:37] [discord] let me try login in with my account on private mode [19:00:40] [discord] and also close all tabs except settings [19:00:43] [discord] then clear cache [19:00:48] [discord] then task manager kill firefox [19:00:49] [discord] then try again [19:00:55] [discord] (im just guessing at this point but it might work) [19:00:59] [discord] Its very unlikely to be a firefox issue itself [19:00:59] [discord] maybe check in preferences on your account if it works in incognito? [19:01:06] [discord] yeah its not an issue with firefox [19:01:09] [discord] he did [19:01:09] [discord] yea it's not my account [19:01:19] [discord] @Antoniokf5 try this [19:01:21] [discord] I logged in with incognito and my account [19:02:56] [discord] Anything in dev console? [19:03:11] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064620852269817966/image.png [19:03:12] [discord] Okay, so private mode works but troubleshooting doesn't, dev console doesn't show anything of note... wow this is a weird one. [19:03:20] [discord] yea it def is [19:03:23] [discord] yes [19:03:24] [discord] I'm so confused [19:03:34] [discord] try the thing i randomly guessed [19:03:35] [discord] pls [19:03:38] [discord] Let’s try the nuclear option of backing up your ff profile and reinstalling [19:03:59] [discord] hmm yea [19:04:02] [discord] make sure you save anything important first [19:04:16] [discord] ok gtg another time trial challenge commission in genshin [19:04:29] [discord] didn't work [19:04:29] [discord] duh [19:04:45] [discord] http://mzl.la/1xKrFsk [19:04:46] [url] Back up and restore information in Firefox profiles | Firefox Help | mzl.la [19:04:55] [discord] it's all synced with my mozilla [19:04:57] [discord] account [19:04:59] [discord] so I could just [19:05:02] [discord] Uninstall it? [19:05:12] [discord] right? [19:05:23] [discord] I would backup your profile [19:05:52] [discord] Ff sync is not meant to be used as a backup service [19:06:05] [discord] Just to be potentially, midly annoying, Shift + Ctrl + R has been tried, yeah? [19:06:10] [discord] yes [19:06:12] [discord] many times [19:06:13] [discord] oh rip [19:06:28] [discord] Thanks, just wanted to make extra sure. [19:08:53] [discord] currently refreshing firefox [19:09:12] [discord] The only other wild thing I can think of is windows' Controlled Folder Access preventing Firefox from ACTUALLY deleting the cache despite a success message... [19:09:25] [discord] that could be possible [19:09:26] [discord] hmm [19:09:48] [discord] Let's see how the refresh goes, this has a good likelihood of fixing it. [19:09:55] [discord] alright [19:09:56] [discord] brb [19:09:59] [discord] just refreshed it and [19:10:00] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064622562916704266/image.png [19:10:02] [discord] still the same issue [19:10:04] [discord] :bruh: [19:10:20] [discord] wtf [19:10:23] [discord] this is weird [19:10:28] [discord] perhaps this [19:10:37] [discord] also maybe run some of the built-in windows troubleshooters [19:10:40] [discord] and see if any of them fix it [19:10:44] [discord] I am losing my mind [19:11:28] [discord] a man [19:11:32] [discord] just wants his infoboxes [19:11:37] [discord] goddamn it [19:11:45] [discord] So actual storage locations would be something like C:\Users\{user}\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\{profile folder}\cache2 [19:11:59] [discord] If you want to see if going in and manually deleting it might make a difference [19:12:16] [discord] (you'll want firefox closed while you do that) [19:12:30] [discord] thats a good idea [19:12:32] [discord] it was what i planned on doing [19:13:30] [discord] there ain't even a cache folder [19:13:32] [discord] :bruh: [19:13:45] [discord] I think they're messing with me [19:14:00] [discord] i have an idea: for discord webhooks, though anyone can view managewiki/other or whatever, the option with the webhooks is visibly hidden from everyone who doesnt have managewiki perms [19:14:03] [discord] this must be some wicked divine intervention [19:14:04] [discord] also, wikis can make their own user groups [19:14:21] [discord] what if a wiki could have a permission that makes it so the custom extension is only visible on that wiki [19:14:29] [discord] would just be a hack/confusing thing [19:14:35] [discord] but in theory that would be possible yes [19:17:58] [discord] I'm just g [19:18:03] [discord] uninstall and reinstall firefox [19:18:26] [discord] opera based [19:18:30] [discord] no it is not [19:18:31] [discord] opera bad [19:18:33] [discord] firefox and tor are best [19:18:36] [discord] opera is evil [19:18:38] [discord] is it just infoboxes [19:18:45] [discord] yea [19:18:48] [discord] :Shrug: [19:18:49] [discord] no idea why [19:18:53] [discord] lmao [19:19:04] [discord] i feel like its a preference skin issue even tho u said it isnt lol [19:19:13] [discord] it isn't [19:19:22] [discord] I logged in with my account on private mode and another browser [19:19:24] [discord] and it worked fine [19:19:53] [discord] did u log out and back in [19:19:55] [discord] on the main one [19:19:58] [discord] yes [19:20:09] [discord] changed nothing [19:21:12] [discord] is it just that page [19:21:18] [discord] show another infobox from the wiki [19:21:27] [discord] show the empheri one [19:22:01] [discord] currently can't do that [19:22:09] [discord] but it didn't work for others either [19:22:21] [discord] oh ok [19:22:48] [discord] i feel like it is a firefox issue then [19:23:02] [discord] (i have no idea what im talking about) [19:23:21] [discord] we got there already [19:23:25] [discord] we don't know how it is though [19:23:40] [discord] oh didnt someone say it probably isnt browser related idk [19:23:46] [discord] idk [19:23:50] [discord] it's a whole new world [19:24:12] [discord] did u update firefox recently [19:25:04] [discord] no [19:33:28] [discord] I believe that's already the case, non-bureaucrats can't view confidential values such as webhook configs [19:33:48] [discord] You can verify this by opening ManageWiki in incognito mode [19:37:08] [discord] I LITERALLLY UNINSTALLED IT [19:37:09] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064629396390035467/image.png [19:37:11] [discord] :bruh: [19:37:16] [discord] WHAT [19:37:20] [discord] WHAT IS HAPPENING [19:38:24] [discord] @lizzie proof that it happens in other pages too [19:38:26] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064629716658704384/image.png [19:39:12] [discord] Wild idea: what happens if you make and use a different profile on the same browser? I'm assuming it starts working correctly/ [19:39:58] [discord] BRUH IT WORKS ON OTHER PROFILES [19:39:59] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064630110835179540/image.png [19:40:00] [discord] :uh: [19:40:02] [discord] WHAT IS HAPPENING [19:40:05] [discord] I DON'T GET IT [19:40:25] [discord] WHAT IS HAPPENING [19:44:39] [discord] Welcome @stnova20! If you would like to authenticate (validate) your Miraheze account, please type [20:02:22] NotAracham can you not decline requests that are on hold [20:08:23] [discord] General policy has been to close on-hold response pending requets that haven't had replies for 2+ days, but as you prefer. [20:08:50] [discord] (At least as was conveyed to me by other WCs) [20:17:20] [discord] Yeah or else those requests stay forever in the on hold status [20:26:43] [discord] i know [20:26:51] [discord] but you can fork off of that concept to allow wiki specific extensions [20:26:58] [discord] ah [20:27:21] [discord] might be wrong about that but its just a theory i had [20:27:52] [discord] well hmm [20:27:58] [discord] You can but there shouldn't really be a reason to have a wiki-specific extension [20:27:59] [discord] well hmm [20:28:03] [discord] yea fair [20:28:16] [discord] maybe juts [20:28:25] [discord] migrate the important data from your first profile to the new one [20:28:28] [discord] and start using it [20:28:31] [discord] idk its a mystery ig [21:07:55] [discord] At this point, without doing a line-by-line diffcheck of About:Config, I'm absolutely stumped and agree w/ Colleiflower, that profile's probably a wash. [22:09:09] [discord] yea [22:42:02] [discord] Heyyy [22:42:07] [discord] .Where can I find this setting? [22:42:08] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064675950194872390/2fd91b3ecadbb9d40fdb124cd3f0cecf.png [22:42:20] [discord] I want to use replace text but like idk what $wgcompressrevisions is supposed to mean [22:45:02] [discord] Ok so I found it but [22:45:03] [discord] how do I [22:45:14] [discord] How do I turn it off I cannot [22:49:42] [discord] Not possible sorry. Replacetext doesnt currently work. You could try the extension MassEditRegex instead [22:51:27] [discord] correct [22:53:06] [discord] 😔 [22:53:07] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064678713578508318/c0550fe33e4e9288b9951feef5e15584.png [22:53:26] [discord] thats masseditregex [22:53:38] [discord] You enabled the extension? [22:53:42] [discord] yes [22:54:04] [discord] oh it exists now [22:54:24] [discord] Cool, yeah extensions sometimes take a second [22:54:28] [discord] ye [22:54:58] [discord] Can I select all of the pages at once or [22:55:11] [discord] do I need to figure out on what page something is [22:55:38] [discord] I dont think so, you can type in specific pages or all pages in a category [22:55:53] [discord] Or all pages with a prefix like User: [22:55:56] [discord] Do I have to list literally all pages 😭 [22:57:08] [discord] Unfortunately. Maybe ill make a tool to create a list of all pages to put in the box, but currently i dont think theres another way unless theyre in a category [22:59:18] [discord] is there a way to like [22:59:25] [discord] put all pages in a category fast [22:59:43] [discord] Because my wiki has a ton of pages and I dont want anything to be missed when replacing [23:00:46] [discord] not that i know of, i think [[Category:]] has to be put at the bottom of each page [23:00:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category: [23:01:11] [discord] ill try to work out a way to make a tool to do it and ill ping you if i succeed [23:01:45] [discord] a tool to list all pages to put in the masseditregex box is what i mean [23:02:09] [discord] Thatd be great because my wiki has over 100 pages and I need text to be replaced over all of those pages 😭 [23:32:30] [discord] go to Special:AllPages or whatever its called [23:32:31] [discord] and copy the page names [23:33:12] [discord] Oh thanks ill take a look at it in a sec! [23:33:35] [discord] kk got it and np [23:40:20] [discord] Okay so I tried that [23:40:23] [discord] But like [23:40:29] [discord] It gives me a huge error [23:40:58] [discord] and the list goes on with literally all 146 pages [23:40:59] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1064690761494450217/d3835a5da62b61a477d1e6bcb87a6cb0.png [23:41:51] [discord] ill look into it later [23:41:54] [discord] busy rn [23:41:59] [discord] so thats usually because the text in Search For isnt proper regex [23:42:10] [discord] make sure it's surrounded by slashes: /example/ [23:43:28] [discord] Ohhh 😭 [23:43:57] [discord] That worked! [23:44:00] [discord] Thank you so much! [23:44:14] [discord] oh duh, i didnt think itd be that easy to copy, i thought the formatting would be weird [23:44:22] [discord] no problem [23:44:28] [discord] I have a question about the namespaces. [23:44:48] [discord] Exactly how many is too many? [23:45:06] [discord] And how many subpages within the namespaces are too much? [23:45:06] [discord] Infinity [23:45:12] [discord] make sure you have less than an infinite number of mainspaces [23:45:21] [discord] Ah. XD [23:45:26] [discord] if you have an infinite amount it might cause some paradoxes [23:45:28] [discord] lol [23:45:30] [discord] Welcome @exbe! If you would like to authenticate (validate) your Miraheze account, please type [23:45:52] [discord] Alrighty! Thanks! [23:46:07] [discord] well in practicality [23:46:10] [discord] maybe we should make a phabricator issue to have the team look into solving infinity paradoxes [23:46:13] [discord] when you move pages, create pages, delete pages, etc. [23:46:21] [discord] theres a dropdown of different namespaces [23:46:29] [discord] if it gets too large [23:46:36] [discord] then its difficult to use the dropdown [23:46:43] [discord] 🤔 [23:46:44] [discord] True. [23:46:46] [discord] Dang. [23:47:15] [discord] Hmmmmm, I have to think about this, I guess. [23:47:18] [discord] ye [23:47:32] [discord] Thanks again! [23:47:35] [discord] np [23:57:22] [discord] Welcome @xinos🌸! If you would like to authenticate (validate) your Miraheze account, please type