element used {{SITENAME}} but now I know [22:11:23] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:SITENAME [22:11:30] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> L10n is broken, it will rebuild soon [22:11:40] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> alright [22:11:43] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense [22:11:51] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> [564e55a3a4b049dd22566b1a] 2023-01-21 22:11:09: Fatal exception of type "MWException" [22:11:53] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> to be clear this is a known issue right [22:11:54] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1066480278136160286/image.png [22:11:58] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> getting this error [22:12:00] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> stop pasting errors [22:12:02] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> we know [22:12:04] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> ok got it [22:12:38] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <NotAracham> Y'all, hold off until the maintenance period is over, as Rhinos said. [22:12:43] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> hey rhinos are u gonna rejoin SRE? [22:12:44] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> alright makes sense [22:12:45] <Naleksuh> Hey guys let's post as many errors as you can [22:12:46] <Naleksuh> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dRf8ajJ9/image.png [22:12:53] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> 😐 [22:12:55] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <NotAracham> Things will be a bit rocky until maintenance is done [22:13:01] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> alright makes sense [22:13:10] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> this will not help anything [22:13:23] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> i think he was joking [22:13:25] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Fifth server done. One more to go. Then l10n will be done, and finished with upgrade. [22:13:31] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> kk [22:13:50] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> could ya unblock mee [22:14:17] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> @Cocopuff2018 no messaging people who blocked you [22:14:23] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> you are blocked for a reason [22:14:28] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> that is correct [22:15:19] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> how long is left before we can normal edit? [22:15:27] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> not long [22:15:53] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Last server done. L10n in progress. [22:15:58] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> i never see you on at this time of day rhinos [22:16:00] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> kk [22:16:22] <sTRM> Naleksuh: nice downtime alert banner [22:16:30] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> i'm staying up just for this [22:17:10] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> we may see rhinos come back as SRE one day [22:17:40] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <NotAracham> Rumor and hearsay, I say. [22:17:58] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> who knows [22:18:00] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> i'm too busy at the moment [22:18:11] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> and i spend all day developing and SRE'ing [22:18:22] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> l10n on second server [22:18:36] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> kk [22:19:02] <Naleksuh> strm : Huh? [22:19:15] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> Naleksuh, Huh? [22:19:35] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> @Cocopuff2018 read the chat [22:19:39] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Second server done. We should be completely done within 10 more minutes. [22:19:40] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> i think we are back online [22:19:49] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> or not [22:19:51] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> 33% back [22:20:00] <sTRM> I'm riffing on your post of an image of an error with the reason for the error prominently displayed. [22:20:19] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> i never see reception online anymore [22:21:25] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> we do have lives [22:21:32] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> i spoke to them earlier [22:21:44] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> its mostly because i am hardly around anymore [22:21:45] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> well messaged them [22:21:50] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> never actually spoke to them [22:22:07] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Third server done. [22:22:31] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> so when is the next update after this one [22:22:43] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> 50% done with l10n. Thus 50% back. [22:22:57] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> @Cocopuff2018 ~6 months [22:23:17] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> 1.40 and Debian 12 are due this year [22:23:38] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> and 1.41 late in the year [22:24:00] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> PHP 8.1 upgrade will come with Debian 12 alsom [22:24:20] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> @CosmicAlpha i dont know anything about upgrades but do you have to do individually upgrade each wiki? [22:24:38] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> No. [22:24:48] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Not with our setup. [22:25:11] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> we have 6500 wikis, its almost impossible if we had to do each other one individually. [22:26:03] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> we gonna run out of space one day............................... [22:26:15] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> we won't [22:26:22] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Last server on l10n. [22:28:38] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> what happens if the end of mediawiki comes..... [22:29:04] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> you'll be dead by then [22:29:23] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> so i wouldn't worry [22:30:12] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> ok odd to ask but how much does miraheze cost to host every year [22:30:21] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> [[Finances]] [22:30:21] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Finances [22:30:22] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Finances> [22:30:22] <MirahezeBot> [url] Finance - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:30:56] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> £900 every 3 months is paid to SC [22:31:07] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> so £3600 in hosting costs [22:31:24] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I think that changed this year. [22:31:25] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> super expensive [22:31:34] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> not really [22:31:43] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> depends how you look at it [22:31:45] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> All back online. Once the remining stuff finishes here I will start SQL patches. Those will take a while but shouldn't cause to many issues until then. [22:31:55] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> alright got it [22:31:56] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> thats god [22:32:17] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> unless ya get on a High speed internet connection [22:32:46] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <florigon> true, half a dollar per year per wiki on average [22:32:54] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <florigon> pound* [22:32:55] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Owen> That's the budget requested for this half of the year I believe [22:33:22] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> do we have any money left at all after the cost? [22:33:51] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> that's basically our costs [22:34:29] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> its gonne be time for me to donate soon [22:35:44] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <RhinosF1> errors look back to normal [22:35:56] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> wikipeda and wikia will prob be the first to end before miraheze even does [22:38:24] <Naleksuh> Why is that? [22:38:31] <Naleksuh> Hopefully "wikia" will but why Wikipedia? [22:39:11] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> who knows wikipedia will come to an end one day [22:39:37] <Naleksuh> Before Miraheze? [22:40:17] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <NotAracham> Entropy consumes us all in the end, but I think we have a good long ride before then. [22:42:14] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Genathan> one thing i don't about nu Vector (which I generally like otherwise) is that it doesn't show the ToC under the lead, like, this is annoying when the sidebar is open [22:44:07] <sTRM> Hm. Interesting new UI arrangement. [22:44:42] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> imagine having a miraheze support phone line support [22:46:37] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <florigon> are you volunteering? [22:48:36] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> yes why? [22:48:51] <sTRM> Meta home looks like it has excess white space between the sidebar and content. [22:49:19] <Naleksuh> Cool Cocopuff2018 can pay phone bills [22:49:35] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <florigon> i meant to be phone support lol [22:49:47] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> i was messin around [22:50:04] <RhinosF1> sTRM: i've seen that too [22:50:09] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Cocopuff2018> sure send me the bill! [22:50:28] <RhinosF1> sTRM: i think it's just caches though [22:50:54] <sTRM> Ok, I'll let it keep thinking. [22:51:04] <sTRM> Looks like all the content was still there. [22:54:48] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> multimedia viewer still does not support webp even after the 1.39 update [22:57:53] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> also portableinfobox, the alignment is screwed up now following the update, idk what caused it [22:58:04] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> on <https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Barbara> [22:58:04] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1066491900590297241/image.png [22:58:04] <MirahezeBot> [url] Barbara - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org [22:58:07] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> this is very stupid [22:58:36] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I think it was fixed in the extension, not updated yet. Will do shortly. [22:59:01] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> alright got it [23:04:19] <MirahezeBot> Hello Guest9693! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [23:04:52] <RhinosF1> hi Guest9693 [23:05:11] <Guest9693> Hi @rh [23:05:24] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> in regards to which problem> [23:05:41] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> PortableInfobox [23:05:46] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> alright got it [23:07:09] <Guest9693> Hi RhinosF1 - Just was checking out what IRC is (I remember it from the early 90s) - wasn't planning on asking any questions, as didn't want to disturb anyone. RhinoF1 has already helped me today when I started on my new site https://science3point0.miraheze.org/ from a Mobile. got it all working well now on Desktop version. [23:07:10] <MirahezeBot> [url] Science 3.0 | science3point0.miraheze.org [23:08:59] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah this still isnt working for me in firefox https://github.com/Universal-Omega/PortableInfobox/commit/6ea00e62e686150afbdc678c49da83b65da0d4dd [23:09:00] <MirahezeBot> [url] Support Firefox for PortableInfoboxBuilder (#83) · Universal-Omega/PortableInfobox@6ea00e6 · GitHub | github.com [23:09:08] <Guest9693> I'm used to Slack - hence the RhinosF1 and hitting Enter error above, by me. [23:09:33] <RhinosF1> ok [23:10:20] <Guest9693> Have a good evening.... bye. [23:10:44] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> ok [23:10:45] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> bye [23:10:49] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> good evening [23:10:59] <sTRM> Already gone. [23:11:09] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> ok [23:11:10] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao [23:12:37] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <florigon> one button on Timeless skin is not looking well [23:12:38] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <florigon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1066495563601821766/Screenshot_from_2023-01-21_18-08-54.png [23:13:49] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Mar Qaroll> My entire wiki isn't working right...Do I put in something or should I just wait? 🤔 I can do either. [23:15:00] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Mar Qaroll> ...Sorry if this is annoying... >< [23:15:08] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> which wiki [23:15:13] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> link [23:15:25] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Mar Qaroll> <https://readerswhoknow.paneidoverse.com/wiki/Home> [23:15:26] <MirahezeBot> [url] Internal error - Readers Who Know: The Paneidoverse Encyclopedia | readerswhoknow.paneidoverse.com [23:19:10] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Genathan> it's the link for visual editors [23:19:45] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Genathan> I have it in Vector 2022 as well, it flashes as "edit" then changes to "{skin-view-edit}" [23:19:45] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Genathan> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1066497357811826748/image.png [23:20:15] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Agent> It's an i18n thing [23:20:18] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Agent> It'll be fixed near the end [23:20:27] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Genathan> oh nice, good to know [23:20:41] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <DeletedUser> Are there Extensions to sort quickly (ancient) people facts from their presence online? [23:21:07] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Fixing cache now. [23:26:06] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Original Authority> The extension supports it, but it has to be defined as a file type in LS.php which I assume Miraheze does not. [23:42:49] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Oh update is today no wonder why wiki is broken [23:48:25] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> PortableInfobox and i18n issues fixed [23:51:39] <Naleksuh> Can someone update the news feed [23:51:48] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Doing. [23:56:35] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Done. [23:59:29] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Disgustedorite☀> if I saw the notice that my wiki is upgraded, does that mean I no longer need to be cautious about edits as the announcement suggested? [23:59:45] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <Colleiflower> yes miraheze does not do it

[01:15:31] [discord] could do it manually or something [02:27:22] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1066182187466104943/Screenshot_20230121-055931.png [02:27:41] [discord] Hi [02:31:48] [discord] No thanks to whatever this is [02:49:54] [discord] the ideal situation is transpiled+minified and I really rather not have to do that manually [02:50:05] [discord] ah [02:50:09] [discord] sounds like a you problem but ok [02:51:26] [discord] Maybe I just have too many js files to bother lol [02:51:42] [discord] ok lmao [03:01:54] [discord] Noted for a future state, though. Always room for improvement [03:11:47] [discord] i just read https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:SRE_noticeboard and i cant comprehend how the hosting provider actually managed to take a disk out of a server they werent told to take it out of and also miss a request telling them to not take any of them out [03:12:08] [discord] that is a pretty stupid business [03:21:24] [discord] [[w:Murphy's law]] [03:21:24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy%27s_law [03:21:25] [discord] [03:21:32] [discord] great example of this [03:21:57] [discord] yeah fair lmao [03:52:22] [url] Tech:SRE noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [04:10:17] [discord] @Agent giving the guy the bot user group hasnt hidden it from #ID:743072681057845378 [04:10:21] [discord] not sure about irc status tho [04:11:02] [discord] I know [04:11:04] [discord] It should've [04:11:13] [discord] But his bot isn't respecting that [04:11:33] [discord] ah [04:11:34] [discord] isee [04:44:43] [discord] How do I delete a miraheze wiki [04:44:58] [discord] The social experiment is over [04:45:26] [discord] What happened to the irc channel in this server [04:45:39] [discord] this channel is now merged with irc [04:45:50] [discord] messages are relayed from irc to here [04:45:51] [discord] Awesome [04:45:52] [discord] and vice versa [04:46:10] [discord] Make a request on the [[Stewards' noticeboard]] [04:46:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard [04:46:10] [discord] [04:46:17] [discord] The data still has been collecting and the social experiment ended so I must delete the wiki [04:46:22] [discord] I can't let anyone see it now [04:50:01] [discord] Could I expedite the deletion of my wiki by putting gore all over it and breaking like all the rules [04:50:14] [discord] :kermitfunsized: [04:50:20] [discord] did you put in the request? [04:50:42] [discord] Good day [04:50:44] [discord] Yeah I even said pretty please and said I might apologize for constantly putting slurs in my reasons [04:50:53] [discord] Cause you gotta put reasons for like everything [04:51:20] Hey guys I'm back [04:51:23] Guess my wiki is private now [04:51:56] [discord] Why would someone in the right mind even put slurs when your fate is in discretion of others [04:52:05] [discord] ^ in their requests [04:52:10] [discord] Cause freedom of choice [04:52:32] [discord] @skrunkly you didn't specify what wiki you want deleted [04:52:34] [discord] Also putting shut up n word for a ban reason is really funny [04:52:34] [discord] are you sure you are not drunk or stoned or trolling [04:52:38] [discord] Miraheze is non-profit, they don't get anything if you choose them or not [04:52:45] [discord] All of the above [04:52:56] [discord] I genuinely want it deleted [04:53:10] [discord] im sure you do [04:53:10] [discord] Hi Naleksuh! [04:53:17] [discord] Also I haven't touched weed or alcohol for a while [04:53:19] [discord] also by setting it to private, no one can see what's inside so your ManageWiki reason makes no sense [04:53:21] [discord] anyhow [04:53:49] [discord] Yeah I didn't know that it woulda been funny if that got broadcast to everyone [04:54:06] [discord] I meant that btw [04:54:40] [discord] Can a moderator issue a warning for intentional reckless racism [04:55:21] [discord] @skrunkly putting slurs in your request is probably going to get the request denied yes [04:55:26] [discord] I'm not racist I just am exercising my free will [04:55:34] [discord] That's nice [04:55:39] [discord] I'll also exercise my free will [04:55:40] [discord] I said I might apologize for using them [04:55:44] [discord] Yay [04:55:52] [discord] Nice work Agent [04:55:55] [discord] lmaoo [04:55:56] [discord] good job [04:56:06] [discord] Honestly, he used a slur I didn't even know existed [04:56:18] [discord] Beat me to it @Agent lol I had ny finger on the ban button. [04:56:22] [discord] heh [04:56:31] [discord] a friend of mine had me set up automod in a server we both own once [04:56:33] [discord] learning something new every day: awful mode, i guess [04:56:40] @CosmicAlpha You can still do it [04:56:45] [discord] so i found this website that listed all kinds of slurs [04:56:48] It's possible to ban someone who is already banned incase you want to delete more messages [04:56:49] [discord] and put them into the automod [04:56:58] [discord] but my friend told me nobody ever uses any of these and that ive just taught them new slurs [04:56:59] [discord] *you have your free choice and so does this mod team* [04:57:01] [discord] Naleksuh true, you can update the ban [04:57:14] [discord] so rip [04:57:20] [discord] One thing people never understand is that free will doesn't mean they can do whatever they want [04:57:34] Naleksuh: their messages were already deleted Discord-side. [04:57:42] @Agent All of the proxies are done. Can you please put the wiki back into public mode now? [04:57:56] [discord] Sure [04:58:27] [discord] Done [04:59:25] So turns out proxy blocking works the same on Miraheze as it does on my wiki, only slower [04:59:47] Apparently Miraheze can't handle 100 requests per second and will process them slower and also randomly 503 some of them [05:01:01] It will 429 them. [05:01:24] [discord] good work but [05:01:26] [discord] I want to deploy StopForumSpam globally which will hopefully aid in blocking open proxies [05:01:27] [discord] oh Naleksuh you enforce the no open proxy policy on your wiki? [05:01:28] [discord] you havent blocked protonvp [05:01:36] [discord] make sure there is an ip block exemption [05:01:41] [discord] and give it to me [05:01:46] [discord] remember i almost always use either vpn or tor [05:01:47] CosmicAlpha : and 503 [05:01:48] It did both [05:01:58] [discord] I'm thinking of adding the bypass right to the default user group [05:02:03] [discord] like we already do for tor [05:02:05] [discord] ah [05:02:07] [discord] that makes snese [05:02:10] [discord] I suggest not for IPBE [05:02:16] [discord] IPBE is different from Tor [05:02:18] @Agent Whatever can get reCAPTCHA off [05:02:25] [discord] IPBE also evades general IP blocks [05:02:33] Yeah, 503 also, but 429 because it'll easily hit the rate limit with so many. [05:02:36] [discord] which are not for blocking open proxies [05:02:43] Only a few did though [05:02:55] [discord] Oh really? [05:02:57] Take a look at it if you want, over 20000 blocks made in the last 4 hours (usually about 20 minutes) [05:03:00] [discord] emm why not [05:03:09] [discord] what different are open proxy blocks and general IP blocks [05:03:25] [discord] open proxy blocks are IP blocks of open proxies [05:03:27] [discord] 🧠 [05:03:30] [discord] (am totally ignoring my grammar now, excuse me for weird choice of words) [05:03:36] [discord] hope that "explanation" helps [05:03:54] [discord] Global blocks are distinguished differently from local IP blocks [05:04:30] [discord] well of course, but afaik the proxy blocking is only for Naleksuh 's own wiki right? [05:04:35] [discord] not global right? [05:04:59] [discord] yes [05:05:18] [discord] yea [05:05:37] [discord] then don't put IPBE on the default user group, or else abusers can easily register accounts in one IP and edit on IPs also blocking logged-in editing [05:05:48] [discord] remember "only anon." is an option on local blocking [05:05:57] [discord] the user group is different from the * group [05:06:19] [discord] SFS blocks even users who are logged in from editing if they're in a prohibited range [05:06:26] [discord] so by adding it to the user group, we let them edit [05:06:42] [discord] but by not adding it to the * group, we prevent bots and vandals from being able to sign up without an account [05:06:43] But not just SFS blocks, but any block? [05:07:30] [discord] nope, if you add IPBE to the default group, then the "only anon." block option is literally void [05:07:46] [discord] er [05:07:56] [discord] if unticked, the option also blocks **logged in users** in the same IP to edit [05:07:57] [discord] I'm confused about what we're talking about now [05:08:33] [discord] What is this conversation about reading above it seems their are two different things being talked about that jumbled together and makes no sense. [05:08:44] [discord] well I know what Agent is talking about [05:09:01] [discord] I think Agent missed something on our side tho [05:09:11] The plan is simplee [05:09:18] Step 1: Block proxies [05:09:19] Step 2: remove reCAPTCHA [05:09:26] [discord] he never said [05:09:30] [discord] the default group [05:09:31] [discord] I'm saying that we'll add the `stopforumspam-bypass` right to the default user group to allow registered users on blocked ranges to edit as StopForumSpam, by default, blocks even logged in users from editing [05:09:32] [discord] he said [05:09:35] [discord] the user group [05:09:43] [discord] I meant the default user group [05:09:57] [discord] you only have `user` if you are logged in [05:09:58] I'm thinking of adding the bypass right to the default user group [05:10:12] [discord] indeed, the bypass right for SFS [05:11:05] [discord] > to allow registered users on blocked ranges to edit as StopForumSpam [05:11:05] [discord] Same question, if given that right, does that also bypass the unticked "only anon." block option [05:11:10] [discord] like the general IPBE [05:11:19] [discord] if it does then don't [05:11:39] [discord] no [05:11:59] [discord] It doesn't as those are two different types of blocks [05:12:20] [discord] Erm [05:12:32] [discord] Okay [05:12:33] [discord] do you know what stopforumspam is [05:12:44] [discord] Seems like I got the wrong topic lol [05:12:50] [discord] stopforumspam is an extension [05:12:52] [discord] no worries, I think we were all confused [05:12:55] [discord] alright [05:13:01] [discord] ye [05:13:02] [discord] ok bomoer [05:13:13] [discord] sounds good [05:13:18] [discord] Ah got it [05:13:29] [discord] yes [05:13:44] [discord] Can I have the donor back since I donated 10 dollars to Miraheze and I had to change accounts [05:13:58] [discord] if you want [05:14:06] [discord] Anyway - as a Chinese Wikipedian I would just say open proxy blocks don't really help [05:14:09] [discord] probably [05:14:15] [discord] yeqa [05:14:18] [discord] we all know [05:14:31] [discord] Chinese LTAs are quite scary [05:14:36] [discord] They do block a portion of dumb abusing editors [05:14:36] [discord] But it never blocks the most scary LTAs [05:15:00] [discord] and I'm also dealing with people who are smart enough to AGF in LTAs [05:15:01] [discord] They'll always have a million IPs available [05:15:10] [discord] lol [05:15:36] [discord] Done [05:15:44] [discord] Thanks [05:15:44] Why China? [05:15:52] I imagine China would have like 5 IPs total for the whole country [05:15:59] [discord] em no [05:16:11] [discord] I donated 10 dollars I just had to change accounts only on Discord [05:16:13] [discord] Tons of ranges are blocked for being open proxies for Chinese users [05:16:27] [discord] Thanks @Agent [05:16:41] [discord] What sucks is that, in my experience, they also abuse a lot of residential connections so if you block a range, you run the risk of also blocking legitimate users [05:16:44] [discord] np [05:17:32] [discord] That's exactly why I always insist on only allowing logged-in edits [05:18:28] [discord] no [05:18:30] [discord] it should be up to wikis [05:18:43] [discord] I mean on ZhWP [05:18:46] [discord] not Miraheze [05:18:50] [discord] oops [05:20:26] [discord] require email for all users [05:20:38] [discord] Just look at ptWP, removing IP editing reduced a lot of vandalism [05:20:49] [discord] That is quite true, indeed [05:21:19] [discord] IP vandalism is easy, removing IP editing forces LTAs to only vandalise with registered accounts, which is way easier to handle [05:22:14] [discord] Especially since blocking a user triggers the autoblock [05:22:38] [discord] Exactly [05:23:58] [discord] the stopforumspam idea is a very good one actually [05:24:25] [discord] Though it doesn't help when we have a few kiddos on zhWP who actually just run around the city just to get different internet connections to vandalise [05:24:59] [discord] thats honestly sad [05:25:02] [discord] that someone would do that [05:27:55] [discord] yeah, it is [05:28:18] [discord] maybe since WMF will soon use SFS too, they can add their catches to the SFS database and help us out [05:28:42] [discord] on zhWP we currently have a bot that auto-blocks open proxies when found [05:28:48] [discord] iirc [05:30:25]