[00:07:26] [discord] So I'm unsure if I understand correctly. [00:07:41] [discord] Is there only one theme available for public view? [00:31:10] [discord] We offer dozens of [[skins]] [00:31:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/skins [00:31:11] [discord] [00:31:12] [url] Skins - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [00:45:26] [discord] I believe they're referring to certain skins that have native theme options [00:56:24] [discord] Ah, for future reference the CSS issue was incompatible versions of Module:Message box from different sites with different methods of handling CSS, causing it to not pick up the style sheets. [04:42:20] [discord] for what its worth wikipedia rarely files copyright claims except over things like undisclosed paid editing [04:42:24] [discord] but it never hurts to be careful [11:16:35] [discord] What’s happened to Awesome Games Wiki, Crappy Games Wiki, etc!? For some reason, the error said “Wiki not found”! 😰 [11:17:20] [discord] I don’t understand! Ever since the wikis closed down, they’re kept for archival purposes [11:18:51] [discord] Hello, If you are getting an error in your wiki, you can report the error to the authorities. this problem; It's all about our servers. [11:19:15] [discord] Shoot…… How can I!? 😖 [11:20:14] [discord] When you write here, an official will contact you. [11:20:26] [discord] Please be patient. [11:20:32] [discord] You mean chat here? [11:22:09] [discord] Our administrators are not active at the moment. [11:22:43] [discord] DOH! 😖 [11:23:13] [discord] I would really like to help you. [11:23:29] [discord] don't listen to Turkey [11:23:35] [discord] wikis are deleted [11:23:50] [discord] permanently [11:24:02] [discord] they were closed for 3 months, and after that deleted [11:24:17] [discord] Wha-!? Why!? I thought they were kept for archieve & read only! That’s not fair! [11:24:18] [discord] you are mot the first person to come here w/ that question [11:24:45] [discord] nobody **ever** said they are kept for archival purposes [11:25:14] [discord] seems like a lot of people misunderstood or haven't seen the discussions which led to closure [11:25:37] [discord] Well this is just perfect! How am I gonna get more information now that the wikis are gone!? [11:25:37] [discord] [11:25:38] [discord] **Sigh** Apologies for taking this badly [11:25:49] [discord] If we kept wikis for Archive purposes, we would not be able to serve our new users. [11:25:53] [discord] the decision was that they gonna be deleted and never re/created on Miragezr [11:26:22] [discord] people had 3 months to make backups and take them somewhere else [11:26:44] [discord] Well, good job I saved the backups then [11:26:53] [discord] congratulations [11:27:02] [discord] Don't wikis close after 6 months of not being edited? [11:27:08] [discord] I tried imported the backups on Fandom, but nothing worked so far [11:27:28] [discord] The first wiki I opened was closed after 6 months of not being edited. [11:27:34] [discord] that wiki was closed and deleted due to community consensus/discussion, not by dormancy policy [11:27:35] [discord] Basically, I’ve recently created a wiki based on Terrible Episodes wiki [11:28:08] [discord] hmm, now i get it. thanks [11:28:39] [discord] FANDOM doesn't accept reception wikis, in fact those wiki started over there and were kicked/banned, then they migrated to Miraheze, but alas - same shot happened (community was unbearable) [11:28:55] [discord] Unfortunately, it is not possible to bring wikis that have been closed by community decision. [11:29:08] [discord] Oh….. So that explains why the wikis were deleted [11:29:24] [discord] But how can they come back if we want to see information if I got the backups? [11:29:29] [discord] Let me give an example; Qualitipedia has been closed due to community decision and will not reopen. [11:29:39] [discord] correct [11:29:48] [discord] there was a very huge discussion [11:29:57] [discord] you can't see it now ofc tho [11:31:04] [discord] create independent wiki, or find different wiki farm ready to accept reception wikis [11:31:04] [discord] I believe someone started independent wiki w/ backups but idk how well it went [11:31:13] [discord] You have to bring it back to make it appear, but you are strictly prohibited from doing so. [11:31:46] [discord] prohibited only on FANDOM or Miraheze [11:31:47] [discord] please stop giving incorrect info [11:32:12] [discord] ok, can you delete the message? [11:32:59] [discord] Hmmmm…… That’s gonna be very hard. Especially finding the wiki that accepts reception wikis [11:33:16] [discord] Especially since it’s hard for me to import the backups when they don’t work. [11:33:57] [discord] define don't work [11:34:53] [discord] Wouldn't it make sense to set up a wiki that is independent of Miraheze and Fandom, with servers standing up? [11:35:23] [discord] Don’t work - Suffers a error or contains codes that are a bit….. long when I open notepad [11:35:41] [discord] And like I said, it’d be hard [11:36:27] [discord] well, lol [11:36:28] [discord] you won't make sense of them even if notepad didn't throw errors [11:36:48] [discord] also you if have a backup can you pass it to @AymericFR ? he was looking for it yesterday [11:37:44] [discord] What backup are you referring to? The backups of the closed wikis before they got deleted? ^^; [11:37:52] [discord] you might try to create your own instance of MediaWiki, just for yourself, to import backups and see by yourself [11:37:55] [discord] I finally managed to get them thanks to a link from Qualipedia. but you can still [11:38:38] [discord] What was the link again? [11:39:16] [discord] Qualitipedia* [11:39:26] [discord] PM because the server refuses that I put the link here [11:39:39] [discord] Oh, right! [11:39:48] [discord] only verified Miraheze users can post links here [11:40:04] [discord] Also, I hear you want the backups. Luckily, I got them so I can send them to you later on on DM [11:40:09] [discord] anti spam mesures [11:40:16] [discord] Ahhh. I see [11:40:46] [discord] @AymericFR But just one question though. What would you need the backups for? [11:41:26] [discord] To publish them on a site that allows it [11:42:16] [discord] Really!? Sweet! 😁 [11:42:17] [discord] [11:42:18] [discord] Hang on….. One problem. Would Discord let me upload the backup files, cause usually there’d be a error uploading them. ^^; [11:42:52] [discord] But I guess I’ll try later on ^^ [11:42:55] [discord] They can follow the necessary instructions by typing the ``/auth`` command. [11:43:07] [discord] I advice to work on new wiki together, instead of creating several identical instances on the internet, nobody likes repeated stuff, especially Google [11:43:24] [discord] You can send all links to chat, including Miraheze. [11:43:52] [discord] Discord has 8 Mb file upload limit, I suggest to use cloud drives, like Google Drive [11:44:51] [discord] Good point. Wait….. if I publish them on Google Drive in case Discord doesn’t work, would I be able to send the GD link to him? [11:45:09] [discord] yes, folders and files can be shared [11:45:21] [discord] Excellent! 👍 [11:45:53] [discord] by default only google users can access the file, you gotta change link access to "everyone who have the link" [11:45:57] [discord] or something like that [11:46:13] [discord] Ahhh [11:46:19] [discord] Discord is a bit limited, as Legroom said, it makes more sense to use Google drive. I use Google Drive or Google Photos when backing up something. [11:46:31] [discord] Hmmmm, good point [11:47:05] [discord] but, again - try to make a proper plan w/ other users if really want to recreate wiki, otherwise different people will try to make different but same wikis from that single backup, and that's gonna be a mess [11:47:33] [discord] I guess I’ll try. In case @AymericFR’s plan doesn’t work [11:48:06] [discord] but I remember someone trying an independent wiki already [11:48:21] [discord] I don't know the URL, so can't help [11:48:43] [discord] It makes more sense to set up a wiki from the beginning. [11:49:31] [discord] Recreating a wiki that has more than one hand is pointless. For example; feignwiki is indexed in Google search results and is different from other wikis. [11:51:15] [discord] Can’t say I’ve heard of feignwiki [11:51:39] [discord] Independent wikis also have the following problem; Server trouble. It is not possible to read wiki pages comfortably without overcoming the server problem, it always causes problems (loading problems, etc.) [11:52:04] [discord] you don't have to tell me this [11:52:56] [discord] but yeah, independent wikis aren't easy to maintain [11:53:12] [discord] Oof! [11:53:17] [discord] I'm trying to reply to that text in response, I just don't reply to you. If you're uncomfortable with the label, I can turn it off. [11:54:10] [discord] I consider @/ping as direct reply to my message, so yes, please don't do that if it's not your goal [11:55:46] [discord] Like this? @Legroom [11:56:01] [discord] yes ... [11:56:09] [discord] No need to be bored and upset, no need to bother for a page on the internet [11:56:16] [discord] when you reply messages it by default attaches a ping [11:56:21] [discord] it can be turned off [11:58:07] [discord] On the bright note, at least Incredible & Loathsome Characters wiki are active [12:10:22] [discord] I havent gotten an answer on there yet, is it normal that it takes this long? [12:11:10] [discord] Yes, especially when it concerns permissions being reset [12:11:23] [discord] Ohh, okay, thank you :) [12:11:31] [discord] Welcome to Miraheze @Mr.Coco! Miraheze is a non-profit, volunteer wiki farm. If there is an error on our Discord server, you can report it, send an interwiki request, contact authorized people and more. For more information about Miraheze, you can read our [[FAQ]] page or [[Content Policy]], and for information about the Rules, check out [[Discord/Rules]]! good wikis [12:11:31] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/FAQ https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Discord/Rules [12:11:32] [discord] [12:11:32] [url] FAQ - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:11:33] [discord] [12:11:34] [discord] [12:11:34] [url] Content Policy - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:11:35] [url] Discord/Rules - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:13:40] [discord] @Agent Is there a problem with wiki requests? [12:14:01] [discord] Yes, CreateWiki is currently broken due to a cache issue [12:15:03] [discord] Hmm, I'm going to create a travel guide wiki, is it in line with Miraheze rules? [12:15:31] [discord] I'm planning to set up a wikivoyage style wiki, it's about the city I live in [13:09:46] [discord] For some reason the admin links no longer appear in navigation. Is this intended, was this reported already? [13:09:46] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1067793403649216512/46492f1beccfa33e.png [13:27:32] [discord] what skin? [13:27:46] [discord] citizen [13:29:14] [discord] known issue yeah [13:29:15] [discord] [13:29:15] [url] ⚓ T10334 Citizen theme navigation button broken for logged in admins of the wiki after MW1.39 update | phabricator.miraheze.org [14:13:09] [discord] Why does Matomo say search keyword not defined for 99% of search referrals? [14:19:23] [discord] It was recently increased to 25 MB for free users. [14:22:30] [discord] oh I didn't know [14:29:19] [discord] Google and others no longer put what keywords directed someone to a wiki in the referrer anymore so Matomo has no way of knowing what keywords in Google/other search engines led users to your wiki [14:29:49] [discord] We *may* be able to import them another way though [14:29:58] [discord] but a Matomo admin would have do it [14:30:06] [discord] I don't have superuser access :waaa: [14:30:44] [discord] If they dont send the keyword anymore, what's the other way youre suggesting? [14:31:38] [discord] Matomo can grab the keywords from the Google Search Console but a Matomo admin would have to set that up [14:32:49] [discord] Oh i see, got it. Do other search engines have similar search consoles that would work? [14:33:03] [discord] They do [14:33:27] [discord] Cool, maybe ill request that on phab [14:34:21] [discord] It seems like it may not be possible though [14:34:30] [discord] It's a premium Matomo feature :thonk: [14:35:02] [discord] Oh i didnt know matomo had a paid tier [14:35:43] [discord] I thought it was just an open source tool you guys adapted [14:36:08] [discord] It is open source but it has premium features [14:36:19] [discord] Got it [14:36:33] [discord] but it seems that the plugin itself is open source too lol [14:36:35] [discord] [14:36:36] [url] GitHub - matomo-org/plugin-GoogleAnalyticsImporter: Google Analytics to Matomo importer | github.com [14:36:59] [discord] Oh.. [14:37:16] [discord] ah no, that's different [14:37:32] [discord] Oh ok [14:37:53] [discord] Google Search Console do track keywords without Matomo [14:38:08] [discord] If most of ppl use Google [14:38:15] [discord] Same with Bing [14:38:44] [discord] yeah [14:38:53] [discord] I wanted to see if we could incorporate that into Matomo though [14:40:31] [discord] I dont see anything in the instructions mentioning premium: https://matomo.org/faq/reports/import-google-search-keywords-in-matomo/ [14:40:31] [url] Import Google Search keywords in Matomo FAQ - Analytics Platform - Matomo | matomo.org [14:41:58] [discord] And on the pricing page, it seems like the only paid level is to use their cloud instead of your own server [14:42:27] [discord] Check their pricing [14:42:35] [discord] Oh nevermind yeah i see those [14:42:56] [discord] They do sell premium features in free self-hosted version [14:43:45] [discord] Yeah $159/year for search keywords [16:08:45] [discord] yeah, that's right. [16:27:36] [discord] Lmao just doing some wiki related stuff [16:27:55] [discord] ah [16:27:56] [discord] makes sense [17:00:28] [discord] There's a bunch of Matomo errors in console on all Miraheze sites currently [17:01:39] [discord] Looks similar to this old phab ticket https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T7798 [17:01:40] [url] ⚓ T7798 Matomo Error in the Console | phabricator.miraheze.org [17:02:29] [discord] Still searching to see if there's an existing phab ticket for it [17:13:08] [discord] Don't see one, so I'll make one. [17:42:29] [discord] A quick question, we wanted to try an embed from another website but it relies on importing JS that is not native to the wiki. Am I doing something wrong, or is that just not possible for safety reasons? [17:42:29] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1067862035066519643/image.png [17:46:11] [discord] yeah scripts from most other sites are blocked. maybe you can copy the code over to your wiki [17:48:59] [discord] It's *a lot* of code and I see a few more references, so that can be a neverending spaghetti of js to import if it even works [17:49:36] [discord] yeah i had something i wanted to copy over too, but i didnt want to follow the spaghetti trail so i went with a different script [17:49:40] [discord] Probably works on a whitelist kind of system I suppose (ie unless specifically allowed it are denied to run) [17:50:04] [discord] And I thought the wikipedia template spaghetti trail was bad... [17:50:20] [discord] Not a big deal, a shame the custom calculator a fan has made is of no use though >-> [17:50:49] [discord] Yeah would definitely *not* want that haha [17:51:05] [discord] my dear took spaghetti (pasta) 😄 [17:51:17] [discord] macaroni* [17:51:41] [discord] can you ask the creator, maybe they know how simple/complex the spaghetti actually is, and can recommend what to do [17:52:53] [discord] They just used a regular website to make a customized calculator. There's apparently an iframe way to export so asked them to share that 👀 [17:53:09] [discord] afaik there's no limitations as far as using iframes go? [17:53:33] [discord] hmm im not sure [17:53:43] [discord] I *think* that might trigger the same JS restrictions... [17:53:51] [discord] thatd be my guess [17:55:54] [discord] looks like the iframe extension was declined on MH: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T4844 [17:55:55] [url] ⚓ T4844 Extension review: IFrame | phabricator.miraheze.org [17:56:13] [discord] oh they don't work in regular wikitext. I had to be misguided by the youtube embed extensions 😆 [17:57:47] [discord] you may be able to request an exemption for the site you're importing from: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T4976 [17:57:48] [url] ⚓ T4976 CSP whitelist request for www.desmos.com | phabricator.miraheze.org [18:00:27] [discord] Widgets is a very problematic extension and I would assume the iFrame extension would be too [18:01:33]