[00:00:18] [discord] the ext. requires `managewiki-restricted` permissions to enable [00:00:23] [discord] which only SRE/stewards have [00:00:33] [discord] Miraheze's Cargo is at version 3.4-alpha, the last update done to it was like 1 week ago which bumped the version to 3.4 [00:00:52] [discord] ah [00:00:56] [discord] maybe someone should update it [00:01:09] [discord] it's not terribly outdated is my point [00:01:20] [discord] isn't 1 week the newest update [00:01:27] [discord] 1 week is all things considered brand-new [00:01:50] [discord] oh i see [00:01:52] [discord] we actually got cargo before it was restricted lol [00:01:57] [discord] ah [00:01:59] [discord] makes sense [00:50:23] [discord] T10353 [01:11:06] Why is this so zoomed in? [01:11:08] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KvrDWUw6/image.png [01:11:20] Here is a usable version: https://worldtrigger.miraheze.org/wiki/Welcome_to_the_World_Trigger_Wiki?safemode=1 [03:12:15] [discord] is it possible to make the audio file show as a playable file directly from the infobox? [03:12:15] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068005421836668968/image.png [03:22:18] [discord] I believe that requires the timed media handler extension under Manage Extensions > Media Handlers [03:24:43] [discord] Anyway for me to change the font of my wiki? [03:24:58] [discord] Like, to Times New Roman [03:25:26] [discord] nope, not working :/ [03:25:34] [discord] Because Arial just looks weird with the wiki skin I have [03:29:16] [discord] Hmmm, just tested it with a sample ogg file on my wiki without issue... [03:29:28] [discord] Maybe try clearing page cache under more > Purge? [03:30:11] [discord] I'd also recommend testing out the commons example file to make sure it's not just unique to the file you uploaded... [03:30:12] [discord] [[File:Example.ogg]] [03:30:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Example.ogg [03:30:13] [discord] [03:30:17] [url] File:Example.ogg - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [03:30:52] [discord] oh there we go it's now working, i swear it wasnt working after purging before lmao [03:30:58] [discord] thank you for ur assistance! [03:31:21] [discord] No worries! It can also sometimes take a bit for extensions to fully establish themselves after enabling. [03:43:07] [discord] Alright so how do I change the default font for my wiki? [03:43:16] [discord] Arial doesn't look good with the Anisa skin [03:45:50] [discord] Example CSS: [03:45:51] [discord] ```#content { [03:45:53] [discord] font-family: 'Times New Roman'; [03:45:54] [discord] }``` [03:46:04] [discord] Where do I put it? [03:46:31] [discord] You can test it out on the skin you're working on by going to preferences > Appearance, then clicking the custom CSS option for your skin [03:47:05] [discord] Once you're happy with it, you can make it apply for all users by putting it into MediaWiki:Anisa.css or for every single skin with MediaWiki:Common.css [03:47:22] [discord] Which one? [03:47:22] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068014258153078864/image.png [03:48:06] [discord] Or this? [03:48:07] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068014445193859092/image.png [03:48:14] [discord] The ones badly circled here are skin-specific: [03:48:14] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068014476223332382/image.png [03:48:20] [discord] Alright [03:48:41] [discord] The ones you initially screenshotted below apply to all skins on your wiki or on EVERY wiki you visit [03:49:17] [discord] But any changes made in this zone only apply to you. [03:49:26] [discord] So what do I do to make it apply to my entire wiki for the Anisa skin? [03:50:14] [discord] To test this out on your personal view, you would add the supplied script to the Custom CSS link on the same line as the Anisa skin on your preferences. [03:50:38] [discord] If you want it to apply to all users who visit and are viewing your wiki via the Anisa skin, that's going to be via MediaWiki:Anisa.css [03:50:52] [discord] I've found that Georgia works better than TNR for ease of reading yet still keeping the stye [03:51:21] [discord] Alright so how do I access that? [03:51:46] [discord] https://.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Anisa.css [03:51:56] [discord] Thank you [03:52:25] [discord] No problem. Anything mentioned starting with Special: or MediaWiki: uses this same sort of syntax. [03:52:59] [discord] In case other folks are helping you down the line and use the same sort of references. [03:53:10] [discord] So I'd paste in this to it? [03:53:11] [discord] [03:53:12] [discord] #content { [03:53:13] [discord] font-family: 'Georgia'; [03:53:15] [discord] } [03:53:57] [discord] Yep, that should do it I believe. There's more complicated stuff for importing fonts that don't exist natively, but hopefully that one should. [03:54:13] [discord] Yeah I have no use for importing a custom font [03:56:53] [discord] Need to step away for the night, but hopefully our CSS volunteers can assist if you run into any further issues [04:00:34] [discord] Is the site back up? [04:02:17] [discord] Which site? This is the server for the wikihost Miraheze. We host over 6k wikis. [04:04:59] [discord] drawnfeet.miraheze.org/wiki [04:07:58] [discord] Still offline due to copyright complaints, the administrators have 60 days to sort it out. [04:08:18] [discord] (To my current understanding, I'm not involved in that action) [04:27:57] [discord] is creating wikis like lyricwiki allowed? [04:31:10] [discord] Pretty sure lyricwiki died off due to licensing issues [04:31:21] [discord] so probably not [04:40:56] [discord] aw man [05:01:46] [discord] but there are still wikis around that are about a certain genre of music (like pop, jpop, or music producer wikis etc) how come they didn't die? [05:18:16] [discord] SPcodex wiki states that lyrics are adapted from audios by editors (so I decided to go w/ this on my music related wiki too) [05:18:17] [discord] also fair dealing/use + putting all the info on images, copyrights [05:18:19] [discord] idk what was the exact issue w/ lyrics wiki tho [05:22:41] [discord] just so you know [05:22:45] [discord] replies arent relayed to IRC [05:22:52] [discord] well the contents are [05:22:59] [discord] but the message they're in reply to isn't [05:23:09] [discord] oh thanks I didn’t know what to do [05:23:12] [discord] if you want someone on IRC to understand what you're saying, include a quote for who you reply to [05:23:22] [discord] np its fine [05:26:34] [discord] speaking of lyrics wiki, and at this point separate lyrics site, - why the always they make pages for instrumental tracks just to put only "this track is instrumental" sentence [05:30:08] [discord] also - it seems like in general artists don't care about fan sites nowadays, and even fan pages/groups in social media [05:30:08] [discord] but if big company, like really huge record label, notice something related to their biggest artists, then there's a risk to get wrecked by their complaints [05:30:25] [discord] well sometimes i've searched up the lyrics to a song [05:30:32] [discord] but didnt realize it was an instrumental [05:30:40] [discord] how tho [05:30:47] [discord] bc i saw someone mention it somewhere [05:31:00] [discord] and got curious about the song lyrics [05:31:37] [discord] a track can bearked as instrumental in general artist/album page, instead of breeding pointless pages [05:32:01] [discord] i dont always search the track [05:32:03] [discord] i search for [05:32:04] [discord] the song [05:32:31] [discord] and you didn't listen the song before looking for lyrics? [05:34:15] [discord] correct [05:34:17] [discord] addition to this is the fact that there's like 7? wikis closed due to copyrights [05:34:18] [discord] but two of them are of unusual purposes, to say so, and one might think that copyright isn't the *real* reason [05:34:37] [discord] i usually look up song lyrics before listening to new non-autoplay songs [05:34:46] [discord] for a while i would just play whatever [05:34:47] [discord] but [05:34:58] [discord] it would usually lead to me playing some garbage that wanted to blow my speakers out [05:35:03] [discord] with some idiot shouting [05:35:10] [discord] so i prefer to look up [05:35:14] [discord] what the song is about first [05:36:01] [discord] lol [05:36:46] [discord] yep 👍 lmao [05:42:12] [discord] should i... try again to ping them or is that too much lol [05:44:11] [discord] up to you [05:44:28] [discord] idek who to ping when i type the name nothing comes up [05:44:31] [discord] i ping site reliability engineering whenever a single wiki is offline and i ping stewards for every permissions issue and have had no problems so far [05:44:41] [discord] you would need to just mention their irc username [05:44:43] [discord] oops that wasnt supposed to be a reply 💀 [05:44:52] [discord] because they're on another site (irc instead of discord)) [05:44:57] [discord] ohhh ok [05:45:03] [discord] ye lo [05:46:34] [discord] like @Naleksuh this? also the screenshot you have is strange because only the cosmos skin should be enabled on the wiki and that isn't it, hence the layout being broken. btw the task number is T10353 [05:46:52] Why on Earth would you only enable one skin [05:46:56] What a horrible thing to do [05:47:07] [discord] so that the CSS doesn't break [05:47:10] [discord] there might be two enabled [05:47:28] Just move common.css to cosmos.css [05:47:33] Then the CSS won't "break" on Monobook [05:47:52] [discord] i have only one skin enabled personally [05:47:58] [discord] but i dont want people to use monobook it screws with the other parts of the wiki styling [05:48:00] [discord] on my wiki [05:48:01] [discord] we have a lot of tables [05:49:16] [discord] hmm [05:49:17] And I don't want to use that awful Cosmos skin [05:49:21] [discord] thats not a horrible thing to do. a website has a design for a reason [05:49:24] Don't tell other people how THEY operate THEIR browsers [05:49:25] [discord] i have modified it its fantastic [05:50:00] [discord] naleksuh i cant tell if you're joking or not [05:50:03] [discord] okay but like you arent entitled to multiple wiki skins on a website thats not how browsing works. its not your website [05:50:19] [discord] you insist that message deletion is terrible because its apparently deleting someone's hard drive against their will or whatever [05:50:25] [discord] indeed dusty is correct [05:50:28] Actually that's why multiple skins exist [05:50:33] [discord] wiki admins [05:50:34] [discord] choose [05:50:39] [discord] what skins to use [05:50:50] [discord] managewiki does not stop you from enabling only one [05:50:56] [discord] i understand its nice to have the option of multiple skins but its not something you should expect on every website it is a luxury [05:50:58] [discord] no provision of the content policy or terms of use do either [05:51:18] [discord] i havent written 7300 lines of modified cosmos CSS for people to go on our wiki and use a different skin [05:51:19] I'm not sure why you think it's a "luxury". All wikis except yours do it [05:51:22] Actually, all wiki included yours [05:51:30] [discord] Orrr you disable all the other skins that look "bad" because you didn't style them like the others [05:51:35] So you'll just break other skins? [05:51:48] [discord] > [irc] I'm not sure why you think it's a "luxury". All wikis except yours do it [05:51:48] [discord] my wiki also does it [05:51:53] Instead of breaking the other skins, use the cosmos CSS for cosmos [05:52:05] [discord] *except mine [05:52:12] [discord] i.e., mine has only 1 skin [05:52:14] [discord] i doubt that you've visited every miraheze wiki without exception [05:52:57] [discord] I think its a luxury because im literally a web designer [05:53:14] [discord] but please tell me how me doing my job in a perfectly acceptable way is a horrible thing to do [05:53:43] You aren't designing your own web site. You're modifying already existing stuff [05:53:59] [discord] I mean it doesn't make a difference whether or not it's in cosmos or common if there's supposed to be only one skin used [05:54:02] [discord] naleksuh insists that really anything you make that doesnt let the user have complete control is a terrible violation of your "freedom" or "rights" [05:54:09] Wikis have skins for a reason. Infact, one of the main advantages of Miraheze is that it doesn't force you to use a skin like Fandom does [05:54:18] [discord] actually [05:54:25] [discord] which part of the terms of use or content policy [05:54:30] [discord] forbid you from enabling only one skin [05:54:34] [discord] this is such a strange hill to die on [05:54:37] [discord] i've read them and see nothing against it [05:54:44] [discord] managewiki also lets me do it [05:55:18] More like a strange hill for you. Why can't you just move your CSS to cosmos.css instead of insisting it break other skins just so you can insist everyone use one skin, defeating the purpose of skins even existing? [05:55:40] Just move common.css to cosmos.css. Two clicks helps everyone and doesn't hurt you even a little bit [05:56:08] [discord] ffs [05:56:18] [discord] because now they need to maintain code for other skins too [05:56:25] No, they don't [05:56:29] [discord] any JS or CSS feature has to work on all the skins now [05:56:32] [discord] oh really [05:56:34] No, it doesn't [05:56:37] [discord] since when did every skin have the same IDs, classes, and order [05:56:40] No need to "ffs" people [05:57:24] [discord] my styling is sitewide. it does mobile responsiveness. it manages how tables are displayed. we have so many tables [05:57:46] [discord] i cant divorce it from skin specific styling [05:58:07] I just told you how you can do it in less than a minute [05:58:28] [discord] what im saying is if i get rid of this css then on other skins mobile and tables wont work [05:58:51] OK? [05:59:04] [discord] naleksuh [05:59:06] [discord] with all due respect [05:59:11] [discord] this is a support channel [05:59:13] [discord] not a debate chanenl [05:59:24] [discord] i just wanted help with my domain... [05:59:29] It's a Miraheze channel [05:59:30] [discord] stop trying to convince people to do things certain ways [05:59:44] [discord] > Discussion and questions about Miraheze and MediaWiki. Don't ask to ask, just ask! Make sure your questions are sufficiently detailed, specific, and clear. [06:00:03] [discord] > i just wanted help with my domain... [06:00:04] [discord] yeah you cant get help here because naleksuh insists on derailing everything into a debate about freedmo [06:01:05] Collei your account is like a week old [06:01:17] No need for you to thrash people for not wanting others to change their skin [06:01:30] Or act like this is "everything" [06:01:49] [discord] oh whatever [06:01:58] [discord] ill talk about it later [06:08:25] It's still uncalled for whether it's now or later [06:08:31] Let's avoid talking about it at all [06:09:02] [discord] what should i do about my domain if anything [06:09:20] [discord] good question [06:09:46] @Dusty As long as your nameservers are set it's just the waiting game [06:12:34] [discord] ooh okay. thanks [06:37:06] [discord] just put code to Cosmos.css dude [06:37:07] [discord] it's not about luxury [06:37:08] [discord] some people hate custom designs and prefer default white stuff, some are colorblind and struggle w/ designated background/font colors [06:38:04] [discord] it's about accessibility [06:38:32] [discord] there's a reason why there are "web safe" CSS color codes [06:40:41] [discord] Is there no way to disable css in preferences [06:40:47] [discord]