[00:05:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068320712072372234/IMG_7092.png
[00:05:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> I’m kinda confused though by this rule (Circled). Couldn’t we still put in pages on Video Games, Shows, Movies & Books?
[00:08:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blad> https;//newqualitipedia.telepedia.net
[00:09:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> Found it 👍
[00:09:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blad> Nevermind, seems like you found ir
[00:09:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> Heh, yeah. ^^;
[00:13:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Wrong server to discuss this, we are not qualitipedia and have no input into it
[00:15:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> Oh crumbs! Sorry! What server do I need to go to to ask questions like this? 😖
[00:15:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> No idea, they may have a link on the new website Blad provided
[00:16:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> What, you mean question links? Or rather, Q&A links?
[00:20:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I don't know, they're not on Miraheze's service (and were explicitly barred from our service going forward) so Miraheze can't provide you help on this.
[00:21:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> It seems what you're supposed to do is type in the checkpoint channel on that discord link we sent earlier how you found that discord server and they'll let you in when someone's online to do so.
[00:21:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> Ahhhh I see. I’m probably guessing that’s the part of verification, right?
[00:21:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Probably.  Again, zero idea, we don't have any affiliation
[00:22:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> Oh well, worth a shot. Thanks for the help, anyway. 👍
[00:22:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NFMiraheze> That Wiki is not on Miraheze
[00:42:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> Did the official definition of what Miraheze considers a reception wiki ever end up being written?
[00:47:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BTNFStudios> I’m gonna guess no. They should’ve done that to be more clearer & specific
[01:11:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No, not a lot of people participated in the discussion to fully clarify what that is
[01:12:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The strongest argument was Raidarr's which is what we use I guess
[01:27:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yep, basically reception boils down to 'is it about personal reviews of things or defining the best/worst or good/bad of [insert category here]'.  
[01:27:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[01:27:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> You wouldn't think a wiki called 'great rollercoasters of america' would cause problems, but you would be wrong.
[01:29:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> (Point I'm making is - making a list identifying good or bad versions of even the most mundane topics like doorknobs can get people weirdly argumentative)
[01:33:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SuperSonicKazooie> I tried going to Awesome Games Wiki as well as Crappy Games Wiki, Greatest Movies Wiki, and Awful Movies Wiki and I noticed a problem that they can't be found (saying "Wiki not found"). Hope you guys get the issue fixed ASAP. I would love to visit them again. 😟
[01:34:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> They are gone and will not be coming back.
[01:35:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> They were voted to close by community consensus and were left open for a short period after closure.  Per this RfC (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Close_the_other_reception_wikis) they will not be allowed to rejoin the service.
[01:35:48] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Requests for Comment/Close the other reception wikis - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[01:36:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> See above ^
[01:36:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> TL;DR they're gone for good
[02:05:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SuperSonicKazooie> What's TL;DR? And those pages I mentioned are gone for good? 😟
[02:05:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Centrist16> Too long; didn't read
[02:05:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Centrist16> basically a summary
[02:07:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> There's an attempt to resurrect qualitipedia as an independent wiki not affiliated with Miraheze, it can be found here:
[02:07:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> https://newqualitipedia.telepedia.net/wiki/Main_Page
[02:07:24] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] New Qualitipedia Wiki | newqualitipedia.telepedia.net
[02:07:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> We have no association with it and cannot provide any support for it.
[02:17:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Akaza Naoyasu> Wth, i don't know what happened, i didn't even do anything, and i also, don't remember doing anything bad?
[02:17:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Akaza Naoyasu> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068354123122102332/image.png
[02:18:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Are you a wiki bureaucrat?
[02:19:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Akaza Naoyasu> No.
[02:21:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> A bit more context might be helpful - what is the name of the wiki you're trying to reach?
[02:21:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Akaza Naoyasu> Real life villains wiki.
[02:22:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That wiki is offline due to issues with unsourced claims about living people and inaccessible to everyone except the administrators of that wiki while they attempt to fix those issues.
[02:23:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Akaza Naoyasu> Oh.
[02:35:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> there was a big notice that there was going to be maintenance today and the site would temporarily be offline in the interim.
[02:35:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> It's back up now.
[02:43:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Is there a particular discord server we should be directing folks to in the future?  Seems like we're getting quite the influx of former qualitipedians today. 🙂
[02:44:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> There isn't a QP server that I'm aware of—except the one Fred created and abandoned—but there is a Telepedia server if that works?
[02:48:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Aw, that's a shame.  I'm assuming that the telepedia server is broader in scope then, so probably not the best place to send folks...
[02:56:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> well they should be redirected somewhere, it's now telepedia's problem lol
[03:02:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> wonder if they know that these wikis were kicked twice before
[03:03:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> I'm well aware, thank you.
[03:03:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> wait, it's your farm? I thought you won't accept them
[03:16:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> surprise
[03:18:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068369302757068951/image.png
[03:18:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> what does this mean
[03:19:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> isn't `|` the pipe?
[03:20:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> this doesn't look like the wikitext editor, more like the css or js editor?
[03:20:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> I don't recall the wikitext editor having indent tools
[03:20:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> I might be wrong tho
[03:20:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068369897693908992/image.png
[03:20:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> something w/ page model?
[03:21:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> page doesnt even exist
[03:21:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> until now
[03:21:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> page doesn't exist doesn't mean content model can't be wrong
[03:22:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068370274149470229/image.png
[03:22:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> its always been sanitized css
[03:22:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> that's no good
[03:22:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> that's exactly wrong
[03:22:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> very wrong
[03:22:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> change to wikitext
[03:22:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> it's supposed to be Wikitext
[03:23:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> wikitext broke alot of templates from what i remember
[03:23:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> um
[03:23:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> emm no
[03:23:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Wikitext is exactly what templates are supposed to be
[03:23:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> yeah
[03:24:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> one of the cases when Template pages can be sanitized css is TemplateStyles subpages, and it's done individually on each of those subpages
[03:24:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> not namespace wide
[03:24:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> you need to set individual `.css` ending pages to sanitized-css in Special:PageInfo/*PAGENAME*, coz for some reason Miraheze wikis have an issue of not correctly creating sanitized-css pages with the correct content-model
[03:25:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> the thing is that its a one by one thing
[03:25:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> ... it's meant to be one by one
[03:25:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SuperSonicKazooie> How do you know it's back up?
[03:25:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> it's not meant to be namespace-wide
[03:25:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> ...because I put it back up?
[03:25:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> which makes it hard when alot of templates has sanitized css error shown in pages
[03:25:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SuperSonicKazooie> The Miraheze websites?
[03:26:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> no, I'm not on about those.
[03:26:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> you change the default content model doesn't affect **existing revisions** but **all new pages that you want to create or edit**
[03:26:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> please read the conversation.
[03:26:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> templates should be in wikitext format, because they must be coded in wiki text ...
[03:26:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> MediaWiki is supposed to only transclude wikitext templates
[03:27:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Templates by definition is "a wikitext page that can be transcluded in multiple pages"
[03:27:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> still this is still an issue
[03:27:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> TemplateStyles is an add-on feature that is slightly broken on Miraheze
[03:27:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> so exactly, you need to change them one by one.
[03:28:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> but in some cases they can be converted to another format
[03:28:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> key word **some**, as mentioned earlier
[03:28:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> i dont really have time for that
[03:28:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> wellp
[03:29:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> your wiki, your templates
[03:29:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Being sysop or b'crat of a wiki cannot be a "lazy" job
[03:29:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> omg i litteraly have igcse coming up
[03:29:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Except for bots, there is exactly no way to be "lazy" and have things done for you
[03:29:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Then focus on your IGCSE?
[03:29:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> [[w:IGCSE]]
[03:29:43] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGCSE
[03:29:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGCSE>
[03:29:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> the fact that's you broke it/changed the way it should work
[03:29:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> oh wow, I didn't know that was a thing
[03:30:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> tbh the whole database thing kinda messed the whole wiki in the first place with the templates
[03:31:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> emm no, even if you simply import the wikis before the database problem, they will still be broken in the same way
[03:31:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> no there wasnt an issue before the database
[03:31:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> setting template namespace to another page format isn't wise
[03:31:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> which I suppose happened after outage
[03:31:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> never touched namespaces before the database problem
[03:32:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> well, shouldn't have after too
[03:32:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> It's not like I haven't brought up this exact issue one month before the database issue
[03:32:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1032096274515775580
[03:32:38] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Discord | discord.com
[03:32:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> #
[03:34:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> and no one had any idea as usual
[03:35:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> the TS had to be enabled before import, thought that's an old/well known fact
[03:35:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> nope, TS enabled before import doesn't fix things
[03:35:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> tbf i dont really know about it
[03:35:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I see
[03:36:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> The challenge as I recall was that even with TemplateStyles enabled, it still wasn't respecting .css endings on page names in the template/module space
[03:36:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> most pages just import as wikitext for some reason
[03:36:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> I guess time for a long-needed phab report
[03:37:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> is it only miraheze problem?
[03:38:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Wikimedia wikis definitely does not have this issue
[03:38:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I highly doubt it's a configuration thing
[03:39:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> doubt, I see it as a bug instead (configurations seems to be correct)
[03:39:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> the only possible fault would be ManageWiki not configuring as intended
[03:40:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I don't really know how that'd be possible though
[03:40:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> ManageWiki is a bit hacky when it comes to namespaces
[03:40:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Idk, I'll just leave it as a bug report
[03:40:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> still writing
[03:41:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Izy> o
[03:50:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10379
[03:50:51] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] ⚓ T10379 [Bug] TemplateStyles not enforcing sanitized-css content model across wikis | phabricator.miraheze.org
[03:53:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Orduin you were unable to reproduce the createwiki error in another environment?
[03:54:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> something must've happened then with miraheze only but as i recall, this was an issue pre-upgrade (I believe)
[03:54:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> so it probably wasn't the upgrade
[03:54:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I don't recall it ever being an issue, no
[03:55:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ohh wait my bad
[03:55:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> that was for db141 wikis
[03:55:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> a few of them
[03:55:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> it was an occasional issue pre-upgrade, but never 100% on every wiki creation
[03:55:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Before though, it was usually Redis which had issues and caused scripts to not run
[03:57:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> is the version of createwiki the same as miraheze in the testing environment
[03:58:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> maybe during a recent upgrade, something was edited mistakenly, or a purposeful edit had unintended consequences
[03:59:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> they should be in sync
[03:59:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Yes, I literally cloned https://github.com/miraheze/mediawiki and am running with a custom LS.php
[03:59:51] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] GitHub - miraheze/mediawiki: The collaborative editing software that runs Wikipedia. | github.com
[04:00:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> any idea where the issue could be then? if you cloned the current version of miraheze, the issue should be reproducing
[04:01:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ...maybe an error with a server or something?
[04:29:51] <Naleksuh>	 @Agent Can you update https://login.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Committed_identity&action=edit to point the link to `[[:mh:login:Template:Committed identity]]`
[04:29:51] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:mh:login:Template:Committed_identity
[04:30:05] <Naleksuh>	 Right now it just points to Template on whatever wiki it's viewed on which may or may not exist
[04:30:49] <Naleksuh>	 I'm not sure at what point templates got restricted. I appear to have edited templates before, it's in my contribs page, but I can't now
[04:30:51] <Naleksuh>	 Pretty dumb
[04:31:03] <Naleksuh>	 Might have been a dmehus change
[04:31:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i think you need to be autoconfirmed
[04:32:08] <Naleksuh>	 And how am I going to get that if I can't edit anything
[04:32:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> edit your user page
[04:32:53] <Naleksuh>	 No
[04:32:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i got autoconfirmed
[04:33:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> just now
[04:33:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> by edit farming on my user page
[04:33:17] <Naleksuh>	 Oh, edit farming
[04:33:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes
[04:33:33] <Naleksuh>	 Okay, I need to find out whoever made this change
[04:33:38] <Naleksuh>	 If it was dmehus it can just be reverted on the spot
[04:33:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> have fun
[04:34:10] <Naleksuh>	 Yep it was him
[04:34:13] <Naleksuh>	 Called it
[04:34:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ~~that sounds like a you problem~~
[04:34:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> jk
[04:40:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> @Colleiflower once you're done testing on TestWiki, please make sure to clean up after yourself
[04:40:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oops
[04:40:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> sorry about that
[04:40:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i had completely forgot about iti
[04:41:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> no worries
[04:41:13] <Naleksuh>	 @Agent Can you update the committed identity template on loginwiki to use a direct MirahezeMagic link?\
[04:41:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You can just use Special:Nuke I think
[04:41:21] <Naleksuh>	 Right now it just points locally, which might not exist
[04:41:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Naleksuh: done
[04:45:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i had donei t
[04:45:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i guess agent
[04:45:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> did it too
[04:45:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> yeah, it seems we edit conflicted
[04:45:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah lmao
[04:46:02] <Naleksuh>	 Let's also disable the CSS parser function
[04:46:04] <Naleksuh>	 No more eye cancer
[04:46:22] <Naleksuh>	 Oh wait what?
[04:46:24] <Naleksuh>	 It's not even deleted
[04:46:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> wtf
[04:46:42] <Naleksuh>	 I deleted it
[04:46:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> do not disable the css parser function
[04:46:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there are genuine reasons to test that
[04:47:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> On TW?
[04:47:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[04:47:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I wanted to clarify is Naleksuh meant TW or Login Wiki
[04:48:11] <Naleksuh>	 Oh, I thought you meant "i had done it" meaning you had deleted it
[04:48:14] <Naleksuh>	 But neither of you had
[04:48:16] <Naleksuh>	 So I deleted them now
[04:48:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no idea what we're talking about
[04:48:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> by i had done it i mean that i fixed the link on loginwiki
[04:49:37] <Naleksuh>	 Yes
[04:49:42] <Naleksuh>	 @Agent Let's revert dmehus's changes as well
[04:49:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Like which?
[04:50:07] <Naleksuh>	 He made it so only autoconfirmed users can edit templates and a bunch of other pointless shit
[04:50:16] <Naleksuh>	 Just read the managewiki log and undo all the changes on 26 Feb
[04:50:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'm fine with that as Login Wiki isn't really that moderated
[04:50:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> If you want confirmed so you can edit it then just ask
[04:50:38] <Naleksuh>	 OK, but this is the second time I haven't been able to edit templates
[04:50:49] <Naleksuh>	 No, confirmed doesn't work, it has to be autoconfirmed
[04:50:53] <Naleksuh>	 Because people don't maintain the confirmed group
[04:51:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> edit your user page 10 times
[04:51:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's just protected to `editsemiprotected`
[04:52:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you become autoconfirmed
[04:52:08] <Naleksuh>	 Oh
[04:52:16] <Naleksuh>	 Can you please add confirmed then?
[04:52:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Sure
[04:52:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright hold on
[04:53:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i added "confirmed" to my user page
[04:53:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> on loginwiki
[04:53:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> hope it helps
[04:53:15] <Naleksuh>	 How is that gonna help?
[04:53:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Done
[04:53:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[04:53:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> How is that gonna help?
[04:53:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im being sarcastic/taking things literally
[04:53:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> :DoneMH: Confirmed user
[04:53:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> 100% a user
[04:53:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> not a bot
[04:54:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[04:54:03] <Naleksuh>	 Also I requested it on Discord apparently
[04:54:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> brb genshin impact timed quest
[04:54:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You did
[04:54:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> well, the IRC bot did
[04:54:23] <Naleksuh>	 Uh, no
[04:54:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> for you
[04:54:27] <Naleksuh>	 That's cheating
[04:54:31] <Naleksuh>	 dmehus did that once too
[04:54:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> heh
[04:57:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ~~he also breathed once~~
[04:57:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> (well more than once)
[04:58:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> brb another timed commission in genshin
[04:59:02] <Naleksuh>	 Bud you never met him
[05:00:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> meh
[05:00:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> same thing
[05:03:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> He's still on this Discord btw
[05:04:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[05:04:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i cant find him
[05:05:19] <Naleksuh>	 His name on Discord is Doug
[05:05:28] <Naleksuh>	 Avatar is a picture of a green piggy bank
[05:05:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ?whois @Doug
[05:05:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[05:05:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> lol
[05:05:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> we dont have dyno
[05:05:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats bad
[05:05:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i see
[05:05:43] <Naleksuh>	 Why is that bad?
[05:05:46] <Naleksuh>	 Dyno is a tumor to Discord
[05:05:54] <Naleksuh>	 Of course, Discord is a tumor to chat, so it all goes in a circle
[05:05:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> bruh
[05:06:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> there we go
[05:06:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good work
[05:06:24] <Naleksuh>	 Did you add Dyno?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!
[05:06:27] <Naleksuh>	 Please take it back
[05:06:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no
[05:06:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it was already added
[05:06:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i think it was slash commands only
[05:06:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or something like that
[05:06:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Dyno has been here since the dawn of time
[05:06:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or the prefix was made stupid
[05:06:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[05:06:47] <Naleksuh>	 Oh yeah, that bullshit
[05:06:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe add that gaius pizza ciecirus bot
[05:06:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lemme figure out the name of it
[05:06:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> impossible to remember
[05:07:04] <Naleksuh>	 Honestly I deleted my account so I wouldn't have to deal with Discord's bullshit but yall keep reminding me of it
[05:07:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> here we go https://gaiusbot.me/
[05:07:25] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Gaius Cicereius - Discord Bot | gaiusbot.me
[05:07:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Discord is much more livelier than our IRC
[05:07:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[05:07:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> which is like the literal definition of dead
[05:07:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if i could ditch discord and go to matrix
[05:07:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i would
[05:07:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but
[05:07:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i sadly cannot
[05:07:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> nobody wants to move
[05:07:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> numerous reasons i cant really get into right now
[05:07:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Matrix is too hard to use for me lol
[05:08:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah rip i see
[05:08:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea fair
[05:08:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it kinda is
[05:08:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the gaius bot
[05:08:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> is pretty good
[05:08:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i use it in my server to filter spambots
[05:08:20] <Naleksuh>	 Let's delete the Discord server and make everyone use IRC
[05:08:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and stuff
[05:08:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> NO
[05:08:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> sometimes i cant tell if you're joking or serious or high
[05:08:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I doubt anyone would migrate to IRC for us
[05:09:01] <Naleksuh>	 Not randos
[05:09:06] <Naleksuh>	 But why are you on IRC Agent?
[05:09:09] <Naleksuh>	 I thought you were cool
[05:09:12] <Naleksuh>	 on Discord*
[05:09:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Discord is much easier to use than IRC tbh
[05:09:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah
[05:09:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i also have other reasons
[05:09:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that are too personal to get into now
[05:09:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and a lot of communities I contribute to use Discord exclusively
[05:10:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> indeed same
[05:10:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I tried to move one of them to IRC and it backfired horribly
[05:10:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No one understood how clients work, how cloaks work, how services work, how commands work
[05:10:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> which is understandable
[05:10:33] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah Discord is so much easier to use. Instead of typing a nickname and joining you make an account with an email, password, phone number, birthday, captcha, and verification
[05:10:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I use Gmail so my data is already being sold lol
[05:11:08] <Naleksuh>	 Well maybe don't
[05:11:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and even then, I use Android so there's that
[05:11:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i use sms24.me and protonmail
[05:11:25] <Naleksuh>	 Also this conversation wasn't about selling data. It was about being easier
[05:11:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and there's no escaping it even on iOS
[05:11:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> for people without VPN/Tor it doesnt ask for tha
[05:11:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but anyhow, complex + people use Discord = me on Discord
[05:11:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> IRC is sadly fading
[05:11:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> please consider that your situation isnt the same as others
[05:12:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A lot of people are actually moving to Matrix, mainly in the FOSS field
[05:12:40] <Naleksuh>	 Is it "sadly fading" though? From what I've heard IRC has a resurgence especially given as centralized services crap out
[05:13:03] <Naleksuh>	 Doesn't ask for what? As far as I know, all new accounts need a birthday. It didn't back in the day 2016 but it does now
[05:13:17] <CyberTailor>	 Naleksuh: there are no web IRC clients with decent accessibility
[05:13:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> Doesn't ask for what? As far as I know, all new accounts need a birthday. It didn't back in the day 2016 but it does now
[05:13:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes
[05:13:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> birthday
[05:13:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that isnt hard to provid
[05:13:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> they dont verify it
[05:13:47] <Naleksuh>	 CyberTailor : All web clients have more accessibility than Discord
[05:13:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you just have to select something from the dropdown that is 13 or older if you want in and if you want nsfw channels choose something 18+
[05:14:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sadly nowadays it's all easier for average users, also I blame mobiles for raise of computer illiteracy lol
[05:14:09] <Naleksuh>	 That doesn't matter. The conversation was about which is easier to use. Putting in a birthday is another step. IRC doesn't make you do it
[05:14:25] <CyberTailor>	 Naleksuh: I wanted to say, Matrix is often a better replacement for Discord than IRC
[05:14:34] <CyberTailor>	 IRC is just for us, freaks
[05:14:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> it's like that comics
[05:14:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > That doesn't matter. The conversation was about which is easier to use. Putting in a birthday is another step. IRC doesn't make you do it
[05:14:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> a birthday takes 10 seconds
[05:15:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> 01-01-1900
[05:15:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> done
[05:15:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ftue is not the only ease of use concern
[05:15:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao yea
[05:15:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i usually just choose something random
[05:15:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that seems plausible-sounding
[05:15:36] <Naleksuh>	 You were the one who said Discord is set up than IRC
[05:15:45] <Naleksuh>	 OK so on Discord it takes 10 seconds. On IRC it takes 0
[05:15:49] <sTRM>	 01-01-19{rand(50-85)}
[05:16:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> OK so on Discord it takes 10 seconds. On IRC it takes 0
[05:16:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> once again
[05:16:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ftue is not the only concern
[05:16:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> also ease of use once you start using the platform
[05:16:27] <Naleksuh>	 OK, even easier
[05:16:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> please stop telling people what platform is easier for them because you arent the judge of that, they are
[05:16:29] <sTRM>	 Discord's whole point is one account. Hence the platform/centralization (convenience/problem).
[05:16:39] <Naleksuh>	 Do you still have to double click the plus button to upload a file
[05:16:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <sTRM> Discord's whole point is one account. Hence the platform/centralization (convenience/problem).
[05:16:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there is an account switcher
[05:16:51] <sTRM>	 Recently, yes. Before, ToS violation.
[05:16:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> Do you still have to double click the plus button to upload a file
[05:16:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> double clicking a button.
[05:16:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is your concern.
[05:17:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> more people use discord. there are more features. yes, you sometimes have to double click a button. yes, sometimes you have to open a dropdown.
[05:17:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <sTRM> Recently, yes. Before, ToS violation.
[05:17:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> a lot of things are tos violations but arent enforced
[05:17:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i had openly bragged about alts for a long time and never got caught
[05:17:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i use betterdiscord sometimes (mostly on alts) and never get caught
[05:18:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> theres a public discord about betterdiscord
[05:18:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its never been banned or punished in any way
[05:18:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> discord doesnt want to spend their time on petty things
[05:18:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> they care more about deleting things that are going to make their platform look bad
[05:18:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> such as scams, phishing, child porn, etc.
[05:18:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> surprisingly it doesnt include criticism of their service unlike what happens on sites like twitter
[05:19:19] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah they only added the account switcher so they could ban more accounts
[05:19:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> what?
[05:19:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> do you have any evidence of that?
[05:19:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> what
[05:19:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> this also has nothing to do with miraheze or mediawiki
[05:19:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I was about to say
[05:20:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> this is swirling a bit off topic
[05:20:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah
[05:20:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> dont start this up again in #ID:615786602454581249 either
[05:20:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im tired of this
[05:20:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i know about discord's countless flaws
[05:20:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i do not use it because i want to, my reasons are not your business
[05:20:55] <CyberTailor>	 FOSS is good, but software evangelism is always annoying
[05:21:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it is not up for debate because its going to make no sense without me explaining things i dont want to, this is a server mostly about miraheze, there isnt a debates channel for this very reason
[05:21:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and yea
[05:22:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> might as well rename it to Debateheze
[05:22:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i prefer FOSS programs but it isnt always practical
[05:22:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[05:22:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> well whatever this is off topic still
[05:22:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> we've had some very interesting arguments in -offtopic before so I've considered it heh
[05:22:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[05:36:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> On a note that is somewhat relevant, I do use IRCCloud as a web IRC client for the bits of stuff that require IRC-side action, no major complaints though I expect those with strong FOSS preferences have issue with it.
[05:36:37] <Naleksuh>	 Then don't use it
[05:36:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Eh, it works for me, so I'm going to keep doing it.
[05:37:12] <Naleksuh>	 No I meant then people with issues don't use it
[05:37:24] <Naleksuh>	 That's how irc works. People with different clients can talk to each other
[05:37:32] <Naleksuh>	 Unlike discord which only talks to people on discord
[05:37:47] <Naleksuh>	 Good thing email was invented when it was, or you'd need like 20 email accounts
[05:38:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> For sure, and that's great.  This Jan was literally the first time I'd heard about Matrix, I'll certainly give it a look.
[05:38:42] <Naleksuh>	 I've heard about it but never used it
[05:38:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> love this lively chat here but perhaps it'd be better suited for #ID:615786602454581249? this is mostly Miraheze-related stuff
[05:39:44] <Naleksuh>	 9:38:51 PM <mhbridgebot> [discord] <cookie guy> love this lively chat here but perhaps it'd be better suited for #ID:615786602454581249? this is mostly Miraheze-related stuff
[05:39:52] <Naleksuh>	 Can't read that 
[05:40:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> love this lively chat here but perhaps it'd be better suited for #ID:615786602454581249? this channel is meant for mostly Miraheze-related stuff
[05:40:28] <Naleksuh>	 Saw it the first time
[05:40:41] <Naleksuh>	 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/scj0Bgx4/Screenshot_20230126-214030.png
[05:40:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> #miraheze-offtopic
[05:41:17] <Naleksuh>	 Let's use #miraheze-ontopic
[05:41:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yep, already shifted
[05:47:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Stewards is there a plan of action by any chance for the CreateWiki outage? (as in what do we tell the community that hasn't had their wikis approved for a week)
[05:47:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> feel like if we don't provide some messaging soon some users will become disinterested with miraheze
[05:48:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i have a similar feeling
[05:48:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i for sure realize that there's been nothing to do up until now
[05:49:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> and that there's no timetable (and we don't even have an explanation as to why it's occurring), but making the community aware now might be a good idea long-term
[05:49:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> just my 2c
[05:52:40] <Naleksuh>	 Wikis can still be made but rights need to be granted seperately
[05:52:58] <Naleksuh>	 Im in bed and on my phone and don't have my miraheze password
[05:53:12] <Naleksuh>	 But if there's more than 20 let me know and I will get out of bed to review them
[05:53:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> Naleksuh: Wiki requests are on hold currently
[05:53:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> there is something like 30-40 right now
[05:54:57] <Naleksuh>	 Oh wiw
[05:55:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[05:55:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats a problem
[05:55:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> can we hire someone on fiverr to fix it
[05:56:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or upwork
[05:57:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> on upwork just post "mediawiki expert needed to fix miraheze's createwiki - sincerely miraheze staff"
[05:58:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> then make the pay range something that can ensure we hire people in underdeveloped countries that need just barely enough to get by
[05:59:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> What I can say based on what I know:
[05:59:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 1. Permissions aren't the only thing that's broken w/ wiki creation
[05:59:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 2. This is part of why we're continuing to hold off -- exact extent of impact on created wikis is still not fully clear.
[05:59:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 3.  Multiple 'easy' fixes have been tried, this is something unique to MH that hiring someone on fiverr won't fix. 🙂
[05:59:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 4. Void is working on setting up local instances for further debugging so we can trace exactly where the failures are coming from
[05:59:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 5. Rest assured we're as restless about it as the community
[05:59:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> this will surely be a good use of money and time and wont just make it worse
[05:59:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[05:59:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[06:00:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im gonna check wikia/appp
[06:00:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> to see if they had the same issue before
[06:04:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://github.com/Wikia/app/tree/dev/extensions/wikia/CreateNewWiki
[06:04:46] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] app/extensions/wikia/CreateNewWiki at dev · Wikia/app · GitHub | github.com
[06:05:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> just saying:
[06:05:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > 3.  Multiple 'easy' fixes have been tried, this is something unique to MH that hiring someone on fiverr won't fix. 🙂
[06:05:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if you hire someone from an underdeveloped country, they'll try EVERYTHING to make sure they get paid, that's why it's a great use of money!
[06:05:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> (im joking of course)
[06:06:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome to miraheze
[06:06:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Having worked for a couple US tech firms that had outsourcing as part of their core strategy, there's truth to this.
[06:06:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao yea
[06:09:19] <Naleksuh>	 Well I did it
[06:09:22] <Naleksuh>	 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0UYjOppC/image.png
[06:09:24] <Naleksuh>	 Hope I didnt make any mistakes
[06:09:26] <Naleksuh>	 Going to sleep now
[06:09:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh my god
[06:09:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> did you even read what people wrote
[06:09:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > 
[06:09:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > 1. Permissions aren't the only thing that's broken w/ wiki creation
[06:10:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > 2. This is part of why we're continuing to hold off -- exact extent of impact on created wikis is still not fully clear.
[06:10:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if it was only permissions we would have just continued as usual and manually promoted people
[06:10:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Ufff.  Welp.  This is tomorrow's headache, I'll collate the list and we'll begin review tomorrow then.
[06:10:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Tonight it's end of day for me.
[06:11:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright lmao
[06:11:12] <Naleksuh>	 @NotAracham Don't worry about Colleiflower, this is normal
[06:12:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> what the hell
[06:12:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i was quoting notaracham
[06:12:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that wasnt my original message it was a quote from notaracham
[06:13:05] <Naleksuh>	 Well, I don't know where that came from, but no hold-off was mentioned in the private wiki creators channel
[06:13:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the one on IRC?
[06:13:24] <Naleksuh>	 No, the one on Discord
[06:13:29] <Naleksuh>	 There's two
[06:13:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> uh
[06:13:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i thought you didnt have discord
[06:13:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I've mentioned it a few times in the wiki creator's discord channel
[06:13:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or something
[06:13:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> There's a bridge to IRC
[06:13:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[06:13:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[06:13:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> You're not in that channel
[06:14:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i know
[06:15:10] <Naleksuh>	 Well, if there was any sort of agreement to stop providing a service over hypotheticals, I wasn't told about it
[06:15:11] <Naleksuh>	 But sure, I guess this is what I get for getting out of bed because someone else told me there was a backlog and reading it at 10pm for half an hour and the thanks I get is "oh my god did you even read"
[06:15:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @NotAracham this was declined without an explanation, could you add an explanation https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/29468
[06:15:22] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[06:15:31] <Naleksuh>	 Don't know about anyone else but Colleiflower is really starting to annoy me
[06:15:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> But sure, I guess this is what I get for getting out of bed because someone else told me there was a backlog and reading it at 10pm for half an hour and the thanks I get is "oh my god did you even read"
[06:15:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> who told you to review the backlog..?
[06:16:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> Well, if there was any sort of agreement to stop providing a service over hypotheticals, I wasn't told about it
[06:16:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it's about a confirmed bug, according to notaracham, you were told in the wiki creators channel
[06:16:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That was a decline by Naleksuh
[06:16:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i know
[06:16:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> Don't know about anyone else but Colleiflower is really starting to annoy me
[06:16:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i dont know why you and i are always getting in arguments but im not trying to cause any problems
[06:16:52] <Naleksuh>	 No, it is not confirmed this affects anything other than user rights. And the last word there that wasn't from me was NotAracham saying *not* to put on hold
[06:17:19] <Naleksuh>	 How is "oh my god did you even read what people wrote" not trying to cause problems?
[06:17:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> can you say how it is
[06:17:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you're the one making the accusation
[06:17:47] <Naleksuh>	 You're the one being an asshole
[06:17:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> can you explain how its a deliberate attempt to disrupt miraheze
[06:18:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ..?
[06:18:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> how
[06:18:26] <Naleksuh>	 Well, ok, let's delete them all then
[06:18:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i didnt say to delete anything
[06:19:11] <Naleksuh>	 Good night Colleiflower
[06:19:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> iirc according to agent this is about an issue with caching and not assigning permissions
[06:19:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and good night
[06:19:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> WCs don't monitor/mind each others declines in this way.
[06:19:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh
[06:19:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i see
[06:26:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i'll compile what i can now and send it over to you
[06:32:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @NotAracham sent over
[06:33:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> everything from the first testing bug test via createwiki to now
[06:34:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> if a list is needed just ask me and i can send one over (don't want to in public channels as it's like 50 lines)
[06:35:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> No worries, we've got what we need.
[06:35:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Thanks for being proactive
[06:36:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> 👍
[06:36:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> see DMs also if you have a chance
[06:38:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ...I...Naleksuh......*sigh*
[06:38:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> Hi 
[06:38:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> My abbreviations wiki has a custom domain?  kind of not sure if the custom domain was requested by someone else and somehow went to my wiki
[06:39:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> which wiki?
[06:39:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i can take a look
[06:39:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> abbreviations
[06:39:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> notaracham and i both pointed that out to him
[06:39:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and he said that im being an asshole, intentionally causing problems, and am annoying
[06:39:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i saw the history
[06:39:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> he had apparently gotten out of bed at 10 pm to clear the backlog everyone (see: nobody) was telling him to c;lear
[06:39:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> let me check the logs
[06:39:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> hold up one second
[06:39:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i admire the attempt to clear the backlog
[06:40:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i do not admire ignoring what 3 people said
[06:40:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Let's drop it, please.  It's sleeping time.
[06:40:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright
[06:40:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i will
[06:40:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> agree
[06:40:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> night
[06:40:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> well not night for me yet but gn for you/whoever else
[06:40:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i'm going to take a look at @imamy's complaint
[06:40:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> see what's going on there
[06:41:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> re above: @imamy do you think that anyone in your community could have requested the custom domain
[06:42:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> idk.  i just realized that there's a note in recent changes and when i looked into it, there's a custom domain that points to abbreviations.
[06:42:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> when you say my community, i am only person in this wiki
[06:43:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> it's still private and still not ready to share
[06:43:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> when was the wiki created
[06:43:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> trying to find the wiki request right noe
[06:43:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> it was created during db141  gap between the old and the new db141
[06:43:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> and then recreated. let me look for the dates
[06:44:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> do you know when the custom date appeared?
[06:45:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> or did you just kind of notice it one day
[06:45:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it's okay either way
[06:45:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> yes.  jan 19 by reception123 put it in
[06:45:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i just looked into it today
[06:46:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i think i noticed it on that day when it happened but i thought there was some kind of glitch
[06:46:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> odd
[06:46:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i'm looking at the managewiki log and see no such change
[06:47:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Please file a phabricator ticket with this.  @Reception123 it looks like an errant redirect to the domain https://wiki.geoparkcorumbatai.com.br/wiki/Main_Page was set up for abbreviations.miraheze.org.
[06:47:48] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Abbreviations | wiki.geoparkcorumbatai.com.br
[06:48:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @imamy do you have a miraheze account?
[06:48:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> oops do you have a phabricator account
[06:48:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> mb
[06:48:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That's not relevant, miraheze accts are phabricator accts
[06:49:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no, the question was asked because if the user didn't have an account, i'd be happy to file a request on their behalf
[06:49:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i try to check the changes regularly but i took a break due to MediaWiki upgrade
[06:49:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[06:49:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> I don't have phabricator account
[06:49:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[06:49:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> I have a miraheze account
[06:49:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[06:49:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> okay i'm so confused.  so does this mean that if they are same thing, then i can log into phabricator with same credentials as miraheze credentials?
[06:49:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Does anyone know how to get these
[06:49:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068422539770085476/image.png
[06:49:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> the purple thingy
[06:49:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yes, you can
[06:49:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> [[phab:]]
[06:49:54] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:
[06:49:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://phabricator.miraheze.org/>
[06:49:56] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Main Page | phabricator.miraheze.org
[06:50:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> You click the 'Log in or register with mediawiki' option, https://phabricator.miraheze.org/
[06:50:36] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Main Page | phabricator.miraheze.org
[06:51:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> I tried logging in to Phabricator with my Miraheze credentials - got invalid
[06:52:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> I'll try again
[06:52:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ...invalid?
[06:52:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> weird....
[06:53:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068423380916772874/image.png
[06:54:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ..have you ever created a miraheze account before?
[06:54:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> not to my knowledge.  i don't have any email for it
[06:55:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> don't think i've ever seen an invalid before, especially since Phabricator logins come from Miraheze
[06:55:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> don't enter your miraheze credentials into phabricator, there should be a link under the login screen with the text "Log In or Register" with the subtext "MediaWiki". You need to click that button.
[06:56:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> oh right, should've thought of that. oops. void fixes all though. ty void
[06:57:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068424432219074620/phab_login.png
[06:57:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yup
[06:58:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @imamy any luck?
[06:59:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> I'm hesitating
[06:59:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[06:59:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> I kind of set up Miraheze as a game id
[07:00:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> so it's asking for details.  do they have to match the miraheze info?
[07:00:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> asking for real name
[07:00:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> real name should be optional
[07:00:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> you aren't required to fill that out
[07:00:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it should auto-match the MH information
[07:00:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> ah so i can leave it blank?
[07:00:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yes
[07:00:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> let me try
[07:04:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if it insists on a real name
[07:04:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> just write something like "John Doe"
[07:04:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or "Mike Rotch" or whatever
[07:04:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i do it all the time on sites that insist a real name is needed to contact customer support or something similar
[07:04:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Or put your username in there again
[07:04:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and they raise no objections to it
[07:04:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea fair
[07:04:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> looks like i am in
[07:04:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> how do i sign out?
[07:04:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good work
[07:05:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you use
[07:05:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> divine powe
[07:05:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> There should be a profile picture up top right by the search bar. Click on it, and there will be a logout option in the dropdown menu
[07:08:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> thank you
[07:08:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i have now begun the process of replying to people's concerns about not having permissions on wikis
[07:08:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> on SN
[07:09:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> looks like it automatically logs me in when i am signed into mirahze
[07:09:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> perhaps we should just be WP:BOLD and contact all the people and explain there may be technical issues
[07:09:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> via email or something?
[07:09:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @NotAracham any thoughts
[07:09:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no
[07:09:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> on talk page
[07:09:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ah
[07:09:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> that would take
[07:09:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> a *long* time
[07:09:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> email works too ig but talk page sounds better
[07:09:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> agree
[07:09:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> count me in
[07:10:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i rarely check email unless im expecting something
[07:10:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i'd like a meta admin/SRE/discord mod/steward's approval
[07:10:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> before proceeding with anything
[07:10:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> to be on the safe side
[07:10:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it should i think
[07:10:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> any luck with the task creation>?
[07:11:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i am a discord mod
[07:11:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> over another server
[07:12:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i strictly enforce the no memes in general rule
[07:12:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and you have my approval
[07:12:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 😎
[07:12:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> what do i do to make a task?
[07:13:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> top left hand corner on the phab page
[07:13:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> should say `Create Phab Task`
[07:13:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> type a title and short description, feel free to leave everything else blank and hit submit
[07:14:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i can update the task if anything needs to be added
[07:16:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Could create a mass message list for affected users
[07:16:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> but I think only admins can send those
[07:16:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i can do it manually if someone wants me to
[07:16:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i have a lot of time
[07:16:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and nothing to do
[07:17:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> tomorrow I'll be working on a script for fixing broken wikis before I dive back into debugging
[07:17:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright got it
[07:17:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> meaning restoring permissions/resetting default pages?
[07:17:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good luck
[07:18:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> have gotten a few of those concerns recently, one user thought that miraheze was bullying them 😭
[07:18:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i felt bad
[07:18:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> could do that, mass email works, sitenotice as well could be useful
[07:19:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> tell them that we are exploring options such as hiring people on upwork from underdeveloped countries who will do almost anything they can to make money
[07:19:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i think that is a good idea
[07:19:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> for some reason people said its not sadly
[07:19:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> (im joking of course)
[07:19:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome
[07:20:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> okay so like maybe tone the jokes down just a little bit
[07:20:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright i will lmao
[07:20:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it's a bit much
[07:20:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> sorry about that
[07:20:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> all good, just letting you know
[07:20:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> kk
[07:21:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> thank you.  i created Create Task ManiphestT10380
[07:22:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> saw, updated
[07:22:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it might take a few days/weeks for SRE to get back to you
[07:22:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> depending on their availability
[07:23:05] <RhinosF1>	 .task 10380
[07:23:06] <MirahezeBot>	 https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10380 - abbreviationswiki has Custom Domain wiki.geoparkcorumbatai.com.br, authored by Imamy, assigned to None, Priority: Normal, Status: Open
[07:28:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Said task will be dealt with immediately
[07:28:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> I apologise, that shouldn’t have happened. I have asked someone to look at it as soon as possible.
[07:28:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> no problem.  i guess it's nice to have a custom domain.  just not sure it was meant for my site
[07:29:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> no worries.
[07:29:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> love that `Unbreak Now!` priority lol
[07:30:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> true, it should be rectified soon
[07:34:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @RhinosF1 already four requests re: unable to manage wiki
[07:34:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> mass approval of wikis earlier so now the floodgates have opened it seems'
[07:35:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:35:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> was it appropriate to merge with the main task?
[07:35:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> assuming so as they're directly correlated
[07:35:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @cookie guy yes a wiki creator approved them wrongly
[07:35:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Everything I did on that task was right
[07:35:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no [[phab:t10377]]
[07:35:57] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:t10377
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[07:36:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> oops [[phab:T10377]]
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[07:36:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> could someone with authority give me permission to just be WP:BOLD and create a copy-paste telling people who got their wikis approved that there may be service disruptions while we work on a technical issue or something like that
[07:36:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> No, it’s a steward matter
[07:36:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Be bold
[07:36:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright
[07:37:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @RhinosF1  this
[07:37:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> If it’s a bad idea, you can blame me
[07:37:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> going along with this i'll just post a general message on the SRE noticeboard
[07:37:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if its fixed tomorrow it shouldnt be too much of a problem
[07:37:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good idea
[07:37:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Yes I know but until such script exists, it’s stewards who can help in the meantime
[07:37:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[07:37:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> m'kay
[07:38:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i'll let you handle it in this case from here since i don't want to screw anything up by trying to un-merge it or whatever
[07:38:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i'll take care of this
[07:38:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright
[07:38:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ill do the copy-paste
[07:39:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> personally i wouldn't but as rhinos said, be bold
[07:39:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it's up to you
[07:39:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i will specify it should be/might be half-fixed tmrw
[07:39:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or something like tha
[07:40:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> up to you
[07:40:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i'm responding to an SN message right now
[07:41:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright
[07:45:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> here is what i wrote so far:
[07:45:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > Hello,
[07:45:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > 
[07:45:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > I was given permission by RhinosF1 and others in the Miraheze server to just be [[w:WP:BOLD]] and send this copy-paste message out to the effected users to avoid confusion among wiki requesters, as well as to avoid confusion among the community members who contribute on and patrol Phabricator, Meta, etc.
[07:45:13] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BOLD
[07:45:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > 
[07:45:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > Due to a miscommunication on Miraheze's end, a large amount of wikis were accidentally approved while there was still a bug with the wiki creation process that had to be fixed. One of the site reliability engineers who is involved in fixing this has been actively working on restoring service, but had to sleep, and says they hope to work on manually modifying the configuration of all effected wikis and databases tom
[07:45:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > 
[07:45:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > Thank you for your patience
[07:45:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> would that be good
[07:45:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> eh the only problem i have is that a patroller is going to have a headache waiting for them when they get up
[07:46:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> as you're not autopatrolled yet
[07:46:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i am autopatrolled
[07:46:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> wait really
[07:46:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068436870884769812/image.png
[07:46:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes
[07:46:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> well in that case
[07:46:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> go ahead
[07:47:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright lmao
[07:47:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Do it
[07:47:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> kk
[07:47:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i will
[07:55:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <caillou15> Hi, I sent a request for a wiki import, how many time it can take ?
[07:55:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it depends on circumstances
[07:55:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> where did you send the request
[07:55:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if you want to make a new miraheze wiki there are bugs in the wiki creation process (see above) so it will take longer in that case until they are fixed
[07:55:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is also a good question
[07:56:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <caillou15> the wiki is already created
[07:56:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[07:56:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> by wiki import do you mean file import
[07:56:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> in which case ive seen it take anywhere from days in normal circumstances to months in cases of things being broken
[07:57:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <caillou15> for information, my request is https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestImportDumpQueue/234
[07:57:23] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Import Dump Requests Queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[07:57:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[07:57:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i was thinking of phabricator file imports
[07:57:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> unsure about requestimportdump
[07:57:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> SRE is working on fixing createwiki bugs right now
[07:57:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so that may delay it
[07:57:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but idrk
[07:58:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <caillou15> ok
[07:58:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[07:58:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> someone else can probably find a better answer soon
[07:58:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so when someone else gets the chance they could reply
[07:59:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it will take a few days, but SRE'll get around to it
[08:00:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> happy friday
[08:00:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao happy friday
[08:01:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> didnt realize its 12 am already
[08:09:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Colleiflower regarding your phab edit [[phab:T10144]]
[08:09:04] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:T10144
[08:09:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10144>
[08:09:05] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] ⚓ T10144 Renew miraheze.wiki | phabricator.miraheze.org
[08:09:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it's admirable, but tbh it doesn't really matter
[08:09:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no point for it
[08:09:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh i see
[08:09:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> my bad
[08:09:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> you're good, it just isn't really needed
[08:11:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> got it
[08:14:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Reception123 you available for a quick second real quick? just want to check in about something quickly
[08:14:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> don't want to do anything without consulting SRE
[08:14:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> Yeah, sure
[08:15:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> m'kay, see DMs
[08:20:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome
[08:23:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright gn
[08:26:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Викикот> Is there an extension that displays the edit number on the page?  I want to create an imageboard for mediawiki
[08:28:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> hm, I don't believe so
[08:28:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> you might be able to design a template tho
[09:27:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Is there a special page that list all pages of a wiki?
[09:28:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> Special:AllPages
[09:28:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> there's filter by namespace
[09:28:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Ah thanks I didn't see it was listed under the search component
[09:42:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> @Legroom Do you know how to have more than 1 label in data?
[09:55:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> define what you mean, an ideal example you want
[09:55:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I'm not sire what you mean here by data and label
[09:55:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> sure
[09:55:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068469326425890836/image.png
[09:55:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> I have this, but i want both lables together with no black bar
[09:57:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> and have only one "Label"?
[09:57:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> or just no bar?
[09:58:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Noo, I want two labels in the same section
[09:58:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Like how actual wiki has it
[09:58:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068470092276437023/image.png
[10:00:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> that's just look/styling thing then
[10:00:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> gotta give class of those cells a rule which hides borders
[10:01:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> uh?
[10:01:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> which class tho - that's a bit difficult, these things are not possible to remember
[10:01:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I might check in one of my wikis
[10:01:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Alr
[10:01:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> you know what is CSS?
[10:02:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Yeah I’m using the builder but I don’t think it’s an option in there
[10:02:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Ik of it
[10:02:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> CSS - styling, essentially design, of wiki in general can be modified on page called MediaWiki:Common.css
[10:03:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> since portable infobox is an extension w/ fixed design, we'll have to put some modifying code in Common.css
[10:04:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Ah
[10:04:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> although idk if there's an alternative in case of self hosting, but that's safe anyway
[10:04:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Hm I never thought about editing that tbh
[10:07:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> I might just have to say screw it tbh
[10:07:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> try this first
[10:07:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> `.pi-data-label { border-bottom: none; }`
[10:08:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Where do I put that into?
[10:08:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> ^
[10:08:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Ah
[10:08:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> just anywhere?
[10:09:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> by default this page is empty
[10:09:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> yea
[10:09:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> i have stuff there atm
[10:09:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> as long is `@import` stuff at the top of the page, there's no order
[10:10:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> hm
[10:10:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> idk i dont wanna fw it and break somehting lmao
[10:10:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> you can revert edit in history like on normal page
[10:11:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> one PI rule shouldn't break the entire thing, and if it does, there's still way to fix that
[10:11:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> still there
[10:11:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> we had there dude from totally different wiki farm, not even on MediaWiki, and he made the entire site plain white
[10:11:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> just white void lol
[10:11:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> i might just have to deal w it ngl
[10:12:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> yeah, i accidently did that one once
[10:12:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> don't forget about cash
[10:12:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> cash?
[10:12:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sone things require purge or refresh after 10-15 min
[10:12:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> ah
[10:12:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> cash of the wiki, or your browser
[10:12:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> ah
[10:12:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> ill try
[10:14:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> if it's still there, you might add
[10:14:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> `!important` to that code piece, it will force the change on styling
[10:14:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> so it's gonna be 
[10:14:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> `.pi-data-label { border-bottom: none !important; }`
[10:15:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Hmm ik
[10:20:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> Still nothing
[10:27:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> well :ThinkerMH: 
[10:27:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> again - your case is independent hosting
[10:28:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> newborn Miraheze wiki admins often ask here how to modify look of site and infoboxes, and that stuff works for them
[10:28:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> and it works on FANDOM
[10:29:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> although WAIT
[10:29:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> take a screenshot again
[10:29:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I gave only half of the code, for label cells
[10:33:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> What ss u want
[10:33:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> im out rn so I can’t try anythin
[10:46:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> did the line under label (only label) disappeared?
[10:51:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> nothing changed
[12:08:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> He's not in a position of authority to authorize anything
[12:08:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but anyhow, ugh
[12:08:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> why were wikis approved
[12:23:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Only Naleksuh can answer that I guess, literally everyone else were talking about why it would be a bad idea to create the wiki's
[12:29:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> what wiki
[12:31:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Not a wiki, Naleksuh went through the entire wiki request queue despite everyone talking about how due to technical issues it would be a bad idea to create new wikis at the time
[12:37:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> ah
[12:37:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> rip
[13:20:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dearest> @Agent do you have any fix for this
[13:31:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> Authorized friends, Could you please give me administrator and bureaucrat rights to the https://sivasvoyage.miraheze.org wiki and the https://sivasgezgin.miraheze.org wiki? rights not granted.
[13:31:37] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Main Page - Sivasvoyage | sivasvoyage.miraheze.org
[13:31:38] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Anasayfa - Sivasgezgin | sivasgezgin.miraheze.org
[13:32:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> @Reception123 Can you give?
[13:38:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'll try to grant rights shortly
[13:43:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> hmm, what time are you available in UTC time zone?
[14:33:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <OatCookies> Goodnight!
[15:23:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TemaGubert2002> Unblock me on AVID
[15:24:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> This isn't the AVID server
[15:24:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and demanding will probably not lead to them doing your bidding
[15:24:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TemaGubert2002> Oh
[15:26:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> Hi
[15:26:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[15:26:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> I can't get into abbreviations
[15:26:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[15:26:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> can you sign me out of everywhere?
[15:26:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[15:26:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> I don't know but seems like my account may be compromised
[15:27:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> What's the issue?
[15:27:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> last night i found out that a custom domain redirected to my abbreviations wiki
[15:28:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> so i put in a phabricator task and seems like now i get a message that i can't go into my miraheze account because it can hijack another session
[15:28:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> and when i do get in, i get booted off
[15:28:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> and last time i got in, everything was in spanish
[15:28:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> hmm
[15:29:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> can you sign me out of every device?
[15:29:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> @Agent Are you available to grant user rights now?
[15:29:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> @imamy I can lock your account and unlock it if you want
[15:30:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i changed my password.  so is it not possible to sign me out?
[15:30:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> oh
[15:30:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> if you change your password, it ends all sessions
[15:30:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> hm
[15:30:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> that's weird
[15:30:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Locking your account also ends all sessions which is why I suggested it
[15:31:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TemaGubert2002> Logohub banned AVID 5 days ago
[15:31:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> (also I saw that you replied to BrandonWM asking him to sign you out of everywhere. Please check user roles to give you an idea of what roles someone has, he cannot do that for you)
[15:31:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i'm still very new at this
[15:31:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i don't understand what user roles mean
[15:31:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You'll have to ask him to unban you. We can't do anything, you're asking in the wrong server.
[15:31:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TemaGubert2002> Oh
[15:31:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> If you click on someone's user account, it'll show you their user roles
[15:31:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> ?
[15:32:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I will be soon
[15:33:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> I have work to do with user rights, I know you are acting voluntarily, I do not want to force it, but I have work,
[15:33:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i'm still not sure what you mean about this.  these are my roles
[15:33:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068554280673489036/image.png
[15:33:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> yeah, that's what I mean, if you ever want to see what roles someone has, you can click on someone's profile and it'll show you what roles they have
[15:33:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> For example, if you click on mine, you'll see it says I'm a Steward
[15:34:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> who do i click on?
[15:34:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> that can help you know who to ping if you want something
[15:34:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Try to click on my profile picture for example
[15:34:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> yes but i replied to brandon so that i could find the related thread
[15:34:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> What's your wiki's database name?
[15:34:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> abbreviations
[15:34:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'll grant them right now
[15:35:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> @imamy I see the custom domain was removed
[15:35:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> by Reception123
[15:35:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> but i can't get into abbreviations
[15:35:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i can't sign in or stay signed in
[15:35:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> and i get a hijacked message
[15:35:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> https://sivasvoyage.miraheze.org
[15:35:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> https://sivasgezgin.miraheze.org
[15:35:47] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Main Page - Sivasvoyage | sivasvoyage.miraheze.org
[15:35:48] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Anasayfa - Sivasgezgin | sivasgezgin.miraheze.org
[15:36:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> ok, so `sibasvoyagewiki` and `sivasgezginwiki`
[15:36:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> Sibasvoyagewiki 😄
[15:36:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> Sivasvoyage will be wiki 🙂
[15:37:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Done
[15:37:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> on both wikis
[15:39:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> this is what i see when i try to log in.  changed my password last night
[15:39:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068555800307576904/image.png
[15:39:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Clear your cookies
[15:39:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That's almost always a cookie thing
[15:39:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and rarely an attack
[15:39:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> okay thanks i'll give it ago
[15:44:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> that worked.  kind of strange.  i use the private browsers but i guess they still hang on to a cookie or 2
[15:52:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tequt> Image is not loading for some reason
[15:52:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tequt> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068559051069329418/image.png
[15:52:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tequt> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068559051291643995/image.png
[16:00:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> What wiki is this on?
[16:00:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tequt> pixandbit.miraheze.org
[16:01:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> hes close enough
[16:01:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> many things beyond user rights are brken
[16:01:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or at least i thought so
[16:01:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> He has no rights anywhere though
[16:01:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> he told me to blame him if he was wrong
[16:01:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so
[16:01:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its his fault
[16:01:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> it is
[16:01:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I agree
[16:01:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ok lmao
[16:01:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tequt> Here's a link to it https://pixandbit.miraheze.org/wiki/Pix_and_Bit_(album)
[16:01:46] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Pix and Bit (album) - Pix and Bit | pixandbit.miraheze.org
[16:01:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> check phabricator
[16:02:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I apologize for it. A wiki creator created a bunch of wikis despite us telling him not to because a script was broken and this made it so images aren't properly functioning on these new wikis
[16:03:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'll ask a system administrator to run the script which fixes image permissions
[16:03:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Once again, I apologize for the issue
[16:03:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> And see above lol
[16:03:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> too many words above
[16:03:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tequt> No problem, I was wondering if it was my issue.
[16:03:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> nah its not
[16:03:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it's miraheze's 😎
[16:06:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> wait no rhinof1 said to blame him for the message if he's wrong about approving it
[16:06:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but yeah the approvals themselves are naleksuh's
[16:06:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> to his credit apparently he didnt see the message telling him not to approve them
[16:07:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's all over #ID:1029629996664365126
[16:07:27] <Naleksuh>	 Let's not continue to lie. The last message in the wiki creators channel was on the 24th, and was from me
[16:07:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <tequt> I'm trying to see how to add more information to the |thumb thingy, so I'm going on Croatia's wikipedia page to try and figure out how they do it - however no luck finding the edit button
[16:07:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> are you sure your IRC client is working naleksuh
[16:08:03] <Naleksuh>	 Had someone actually said requests were on hold at any point ever, they would have. Instead, someone decided to lie just to have a go at a volunteer
[16:08:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I see various messages from NotAracham after the 24th
[16:08:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or maybe the bridge is broken
[16:08:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ???
[16:08:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> maybe the bridge is broken
[16:08:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[16:08:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> naleksuh can you please assume good faith a bit more
[16:08:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> nobody wanted to have a go at you or whatever
[16:08:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its on phabricator and the wiki creators channel
[16:08:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> Agent Isai, thank you for granting the rights. I will create an interwiki request soon, can you confirm?
[16:08:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe the bridge broke
[16:09:09] <Naleksuh>	 "can you please assume good faith a bit more" right after you got done complaining about me for 10 hours in a row
[16:09:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i cant confirm if its in the wiki creators channel but i dont have reason to assume that notaracham and agent are both lying
[16:09:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'm doing some CUs right now so I might not be able to action your IW requests
[16:09:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'd send a screenshot but it does contain some sensitive info
[16:09:46] <Naleksuh>	 @NotAracham @Agent Come onto IRC and I will show you what I have
[16:10:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > right after you got done complaining about me for 10 hours in a row
[16:10:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> nobody's been complaining for 10 hours
[16:10:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adenin Konas> is it checkuser?
[16:10:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> @NotAracham @Agent Come onto IRC and I will show you what I have
[16:10:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is a good idea
[16:10:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oops didnt mean to ping as well
[16:12:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> some people on phabricator think this is an issue with mediawiki instead of miraheze... what if fandom upgrades and starts having the same issue
[16:12:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that'd be really funny
[16:12:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @imamy i am unable to do that for you, i just clerk Discord/IRC and the noticeboards lol
[16:12:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i am not a steward nor a global sysop
[16:12:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> This sort of is a MediaWiki issue
[16:12:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> They seem to have changed behavior in a hook or something
[16:12:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[16:13:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> stupid wikimedia foundation
[16:13:20] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah but also CreateWiki is a hot mess
[16:13:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> CreateWiki is a miracle tbh
[16:13:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i thought apple shouldve taught them with the iphone's success that once something is working just make slight unimportant but cool-sounding changes each release
[16:14:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> hi Brandon
[16:14:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[16:14:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> thank you so much.  Agent helped me.
[16:14:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> thank you too for helping me last night with my wiki
[16:14:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> you're welcome
[16:15:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah about the createwiki AI, to teach it better, maybe make there be two categories of close reasons, the first one is for technical reasons like accidentally duplicating a request or needing to fix a bug/debug something and close the request etc., those are not used as a training sample, then have another group for reject reasons with actual problems like vagueness etc
[16:15:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> in the future though i'd redirect any administrative tasks that need to be performed to @Agent or another user with the `@Stewards` role
[16:15:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i'm not the correct venue for that
[16:15:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Good idea
[16:15:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i guess it's just that i am new to discord etiquette.  i replied to you to keep track of the thread
[16:16:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yeah no worries at all
[16:16:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> just a note for the future
[16:16:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> wait was this confirmmed
[16:16:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> i'll try to keep it clear.  Agent brought up that point too and told me to check roles
[16:16:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i must've missed that lol
[16:16:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We've been discussing it in internal channels
[16:17:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ah
[16:17:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> welp i don't have access to those
[16:17:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe you will some day
[16:17:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> lmao who knows
[16:17:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> it's not my focus right now anyways
[16:17:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao ok
[16:17:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> anyone want to go through and patrol meta real quick?
[16:17:58] <Naleksuh>	 So is the bridge actually broken?
[16:18:04] <Naleksuh>	 If not it means someone came up with it to gaslight me
[16:18:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i would but it's a high volume of edits and i have to go soon so i'm not able to
[16:18:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> So is the bridge actually broken?
[16:18:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> If not it means someone came up with it to gaslight me
[16:18:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ...
[16:18:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> okay Naleksuh firstly I made it *very* clear that I said that wiki requests were on hold
[16:18:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> notaracham and i also did im pretty sure
[16:19:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> we're not gaslighting you or saying you intentionally acted in bad faith
[16:19:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you probably just missed a message or something
[16:19:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> This conversation could easily get heated so I’m going to strongly encourage the code of conduct is considered when making any remarks.
[16:20:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i will
[16:20:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> out of curiosity when was slowmode enacted on this channel
[16:20:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 1 nanosecond ago
[16:20:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> since right now
[16:20:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yeah
[16:20:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ah
[16:20:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Was about to ask the same thing
[16:20:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lemme check something hold on need to disappear for a few seconds to minutes
[16:21:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yeah i didn't notice it before so was just curious
[16:21:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Why turn on slowmode so suddenly lol
[16:21:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> not so suddenly, this discussion keeps popping up
[16:21:50] <Naleksuh>	 It never went away
[16:21:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> can someone tl;dr for me
[16:21:53] <Naleksuh>	 People were talking about me all night
[16:21:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> oh the slowmode thing has been discussed before?
[16:21:57] <Naleksuh>	 Even you, Agent
[16:22:01] <Naleksuh>	 <Agent> I apologize for it. A wiki creator created a bunch of wikis despite us telling him not to because a script was broken and this made it so images aren't properly functioning on these new wikis
[16:22:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> tl;dr the naleksuh situation?
[16:22:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> or like this entire thing lol
[16:22:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Please disconverse
[16:22:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> this wwhole situation, it's probably been happening since last night
[16:23:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> <Agent> I apologize for it. A wiki creator created a bunch of wikis despite us telling him not to because a script was broken and this made it so images aren't properly functioning on these new wikis
[16:23:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you're taking that too personally
[16:23:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Stop
[16:23:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright sorry
[16:24:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yeah i think it's for the best if we all just take a break
[16:24:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> Please end this conversation. It's not productive.
[16:24:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright i will
[16:25:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i understand that too
[16:31:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> anyway
[16:31:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> new changes to Vector 2022
[16:31:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> did it become gay
[16:31:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> the sidebar is now split
[16:31:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[16:34:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Exactly what I'd say is a fair redesign turning for the worse
[16:35:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Vector 2022 was made by UX designers who were told to look modern and have never done any HF testing in their life
[16:37:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it would been a lot better if there wasnt useless whitespace and if they kept the classes and ids as similar as possible to before
[16:39:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Let's cool it with the sarcastic jokes, please. 🙂
[16:39:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright i will sorry
[16:39:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i had promised that yesterday but i forgot
[16:40:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> I'd already gotten used to the changes for reading Wikipedia pages but it's quite jarring for editing (especially having to scroll down for the TOC)
[16:40:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> No worries.  The thing that's throwing me more is the TOC forced into a scrollable bar at levft.
[16:40:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, the scrolling makes it weirdly harder to find what I'm looking for on pages with lots of categories.
[16:40:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> New vector as in vector-2022? Can we just call it new new vector
[16:40:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Baby New Vector is a mixed bag
[16:41:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I like it overall, though
[16:41:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yeah this is weird for me
[16:42:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @NotAracham could i check in with you via DMs real quick regarding the MH discord
[16:42:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> just something i want to clarify for future reference
[16:43:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Still getting caught up, but sure.  Y'all have been very between last night and now.
[16:43:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> very between?
[16:43:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> *very busy.  Still waking up.
[16:43:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ah
[16:43:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yeah true
[16:44:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Huh the toc is still on the left
[16:44:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> That’s annoying
[16:44:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> But now it's so left it's out of the content pane.
[16:44:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I wonder if there's a similar magic word that could flip it to the right...
[16:45:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> But it shares space with the sidebar
[16:45:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It’s Friday. You can wake up?
[16:45:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Now I'm just gonna stick with Citizen 😉
[16:45:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's 2023, we demand built in dark mode
[16:45:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> When I've got a paycheck ready for divvying, I absolutely can.
[16:45:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> You see that would be a good idea
[16:45:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Fair
[16:45:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> What is Friday xD It's 00:45 on Saturday my time now lmao
[16:45:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> My paycheck is Tuesday
[16:46:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> The right side is completely empty though, nice and tall for an ad perhaps 😉
[16:46:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> If you go knocking on enough doors asking to see the devil, eventually he may answer :p
[16:50:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Just in case you are not aware (and in truth I have no way of knowing if you already did it, as it doesn't show any indication of it to 3rd parties), but when you do a reply to someone, since you said you did it there to keep track of it, you can turn off the notification part of the reply. On desktop client at least it is done by clicking the "@ ON", at the rightside just above the input field so it turns to "@ OFF". No 
[16:52:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> This is on wikipedia so I would imagine it's the newest vector? Should be simple enough messing around with the grid to move the toc on the right
[16:52:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068574330486788106/image.png
[16:58:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> cool i didn't even know about that @on - that will come in handy.  i tend to mis use tools to get around until i know how to use them as designed
[16:58:26] <Naleksuh>	 Here is my party mode script
[16:58:28] <Naleksuh>	 `setInterval(function(){document.getElementsByClassName("ext-darkmode-link")[0].click();}, 500);`
[17:04:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmaoo
[17:04:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome
[17:06:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> A lil' darkmode rave for a friday. 😄  Good stuff.
[17:07:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Ooooh, good find!  I've been meaning to get more familiar with grid-related CSS anyhow, might mess around with this when I have a moment.
[17:20:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Grid is super nice, no reason to ever use tables as layout anymore
[17:21:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That's the impression I've gotten, just never tried an implementation personally.  Seems like it's super clean and solves the biggest mobile-friendly problems with other approaches.
[17:21:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> grid is really annoying to use though
[17:21:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> like it's nice what it does
[17:22:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> but its hard to get good at using at least to me
[17:25:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> what grid
[17:27:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> display: grid
[17:32:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Grid is fine if you have a specific layout already in mind
[18:07:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> responsiveness to single column is something i struggle with
[18:07:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> its hard to do responsiveness adjustments when you have rows and columns defined 🙄
[18:07:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> honestly
[18:08:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> i use grid on very specific stuff
[18:08:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> most of the time I prefer working with ``flex``
[18:09:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> same. same same same
[18:09:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> i prefer flex
[18:10:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> on my wiki i use grid to arrange the little box links on the home page and then flex for everything else and layout etc
[18:12:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> Oh hello there, I'm still very new to mirahaze and the wikia system
[18:12:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> currently all my manage page is grayed out, how do I go about fixing that?
[18:12:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068594361874530364/image.png
[18:21:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Yeah is a technical issue in the software to create the wiki's, a @Stewards have to manually fix it for you
[18:21:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> what wiki?
[18:21:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> thegrandcombination.miraheze.org
[18:21:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> thegrandcombinationwiki
[18:22:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> is tagging him here enough or I need to fill a formal request?
[18:22:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Agent has you covered, no worries.
[18:22:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Agent you saw above is one of those stewards
[18:22:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> i need 10 requests \:P
[18:22:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> what's your username?
[18:22:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> wyrmdt
[18:23:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> should be fixed
[18:23:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> it has been fixed
[18:24:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> thank you very much
[18:24:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> np
[18:24:25] <MirahezeBot>	 Hello Guest18! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon.
[19:09:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GethN7> /auth
[19:10:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> Oh shoot, The Grand Combination as in the Vicky II mod? If so, that's cool. Every other Vicky mod seems to be on Fandom.
[19:16:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> You got it exactly. 😄
[19:20:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> :pupCoffeeMH: Nice. I don't play Victoria II too much but having wikis for it on Fandom always seemed like a horrible idea. It's an old game that crashes if you so much as sneeze, let alone alt-tab to look at a browser tab; and Fandom is absolutely miserable to use on a phone. Hopefully a sign on the community in general migrating.
[19:32:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @Stewards someone probably got around to it but just in case, make sure this person is given perms on their wiki https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10377
[19:32:50] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] ⚓ T10377 No admins on Edemia.Miraheze.org; creator of wiki | phabricator.miraheze.org
[19:37:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> several people need to be given perms actually
[19:37:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so take your time i guess, only one of them has posted at stewards noticeboard and they were okay with the explanation that theres technical issues
[19:38:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> yeah, like 30 wikis need to be fixed
[19:38:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> All of them will have broken images too as the script which creates the image container for them is broken
[19:39:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> so it'll need sysadmin intervention too
[19:39:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GethN7> Yeah, just noticed that myself, this guy recently created a wiki but has no user rights for bureaucrat/admin
[19:39:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GethN7> https://reflectionverse.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Liberty
[19:39:56] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User rights - The Official Reflectionverse Wiki | reflectionverse.miraheze.org
[19:40:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[19:40:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> perhaps permissions could be done by stewards for the time being, and sysadmins/SRE work on images and similar things?
[19:40:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is the case for
[19:40:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> a lot of wikis
[19:40:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> see [[User:Collei/wsdn]]
[19:40:48] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Collei/wsdn
[19:40:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Collei/wsdn>
[19:40:50] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User:Collei/wsdn - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[19:41:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Should be fixed
[19:41:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> check the wiki creation log
[19:41:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> theres a lot more
[19:41:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ofc take your time no rush
[19:42:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yeah, like 30 wikis
[19:42:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> or even less it seems
[19:42:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[19:42:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> 30/6500 isn't too bad \:P
[19:42:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fair lmao
[19:43:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Well, post culling we're down to 5.7k. 🙂
[19:43:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> oh cool
[19:43:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Thank you Dormancy Policy, very cool!
[19:43:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> dormancy policy isnt too bad
[19:44:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its more about the quality of the wiki than the plain numbers
[19:44:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GethN7> FYI, that Liberty guy is kinda new to wikis and I offered to help him learn the ropes of how to do things, but has no clue haw to give me user rights. I'd like to request Bureaucrat and Admin rights so I can help him, but please verify that with him first, I offered said support to them via DM here on Discord
[19:44:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if we just let people create a wiki without approval and made it as easy as possible for spambots and trolls and vandals to sign up im sure we could have tens of thousands of wikis
[19:44:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but that wouldnt matter
[19:44:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> because the wikis would suck and be low quality
[19:45:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> perhaps ask them to join this Discord server and to </auth:1025443470388764714> so we can verify that and so we can process that request
[19:45:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> would be best for him to post that on meta or something
[19:45:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[19:45:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats also a good idea
[19:46:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GethN7> will do
[19:46:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, this would normally be requested on the Stewards' Noticeboards
[19:46:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Well, since we're here already, might as well cut out some bureaucracy
[19:47:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> For sure. 😄
[19:48:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fair lmao
[19:48:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the reason i had suggested stewards noticeboard is because
[19:48:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it's easier to verify there if liberty doesnt want to join this server
[19:53:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah
[19:53:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> is it a bad idea to send the templated welcome message to users who havent edited yet
[19:54:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe i should do an A/B test where i welcome 50% of users who didnt edit but have created an account and then i dont welcome the other 50% who created an account without editing
[19:54:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and see if it makes any noticeable difference
[19:55:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's not recommended as less 0.1% of users will reply
[19:56:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[19:56:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Users have tried it before and all it led to was the RC being clogged
[19:56:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i see
[19:56:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[19:56:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ill keep that in mind
[19:56:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Ha, new acronym for my list. 😄
[19:57:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lol yea
[20:05:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> can i send the welcome message to people who have edited or have requested a wiki
[20:06:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> If they edit and their edit is not related to like a wiki request on the SN then sure
[20:06:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah i see
[20:06:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> got it
[20:08:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> could someone fix these people's permissions
[20:08:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068623642562400276/image.png
[20:28:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> theres also another person who broke their permissions btw
[20:28:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tera> Random small question, is it possible to apply the colors for links, clicked or unclicked on a choosen .png?
[20:29:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not sure what you mean by chosen png
[20:37:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> This link should probably be changed if ReplaceText is expected to be broken longer term
[20:37:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068630732588724346/image.png
[20:37:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good point
[20:37:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> (that's the default message appearing after moving a file)
[20:37:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im going to leave and rejoin the server to debug something
[20:37:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so be right back
[20:40:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tera> I made a template that show multiple website links, if a link is missing it shows a greyed out of the logo, I think its a bit unintuitive and I was hoping I could use the same colors as text link (blue or purple if already visited)
[20:40:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068631722721296384/Screenshot_1940.png
[20:41:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Welcome stranger
[20:41:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[20:45:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> if i have a custom domain, can I ask MH to point a subdomain to another host?
[20:57:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> if we manage the DNS then yeah
[20:58:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> ok great
[22:10:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tera> defeated ChatGPT with this question
[22:15:31] <Naleksuh>	 @Agent Any progress on the bridge or your retraction?
[22:15:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> you're quite funny
[22:16:07] <Naleksuh>	 I don't really think any of this is funny
[22:16:32] <Naleksuh>	 Multiple users have stated that the bridge may be broken. I believe BrandonWM suggested you look into it
[22:16:38] <Naleksuh>	 If you don't plan to, perhaps someone else should
[22:31:33] <Naleksuh>	 Can someone who is a Wiki creator tell me if the IRC bridge is working?
[22:32:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Pinged in WC channel
[22:37:03] <Naleksuh>	 Yep works perfectly fine
[22:37:08] <Naleksuh>	 So, not broken
[22:43:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> let me explain something
[22:44:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if you don't have your irc client on 24/7
[22:44:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you arent going to get the message
[22:44:15] <Naleksuh>	 I do have it on 24/7
[22:44:21] <Naleksuh>	 You don't need to "explain" anything
[22:44:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> humans make mistakes
[22:44:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if you use betterdiscord or the discord api, you can see that the last message in the wiki creators channel was on jan 26
[22:44:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> certainly it could just be someone spamming bot commands but it is impossible that there was no message whatsoever
[22:45:03] <Naleksuh>	 Actually, the last message was about 15 minutes ago
[22:45:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> bruh
[22:45:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i kknow that
[22:45:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> *before* then
[22:45:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i had checked w/ discord api
[22:45:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not sure if i saved a screenshot or not but i probably did hold on
[22:45:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> k i didnt
[22:45:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i dont know how to prove my innocence
[22:45:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or anyone else's
[22:46:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i do indeed recall checking though, i wrote a message to agent about having checked
[22:46:40] <Naleksuh>	 You don't need to prove anything
[22:46:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> correct, i dont need to, but i want to prove that agent isnt gaslighting you
[22:47:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> heres the message i had sent when i checked (its in pacific time)
[22:47:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068663525922312192/image.png
[22:48:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and, yes, a message was recently sent in wiki creators, but before it was sent, it was different than the current one
[22:48:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068663748279140384/image.png
[22:48:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> also check phabricator, im pretty sure that void or someone had said not to create wikis for the time being
[22:49:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> obviously i dont expect you to monitor phabricator but it does prove that it wasnt something that was just kept completely secret
[22:50:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and i think you can assume that if a member of SRE is saying on phabricator not to approve wikis for now, staff would know to try to tell wiki creators about that
[22:50:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Going to ask that you disengage on this topic
[22:50:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i will
[22:51:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> hmmm
[22:51:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> everything is very fast right now but some of my extension changes are taking a bit too long
[22:52:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> yeah, something odd is happening, lol
[22:52:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068664794883829820/image.png
[22:53:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> backend fetch is when it times out
[22:54:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i learned that trying to upload absurdly large xml files
[22:54:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> I turned Wikibase on, and it's a bit inconsistent between pages
[22:54:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> I created an item, but sometimes it shows the page as an wikibase item, sometimes doesn't
[22:55:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> idk maybe i just need to wait the jobs
[22:56:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <scotty!> is there a certain point where growing wikis on miraheze start showing up on google searches?
[22:56:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you have to submit it to the google search console irc
[22:56:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, it can take several minutes to propegate through all pages.
[22:56:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> google tries to index things but if you want your site indexed faster you have to manually submit it
[22:56:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <scotty!> oo ok ok
[22:56:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there are two essays on meta about this which give better instructions but im too busy to go and find them right now
[22:57:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <scotty!> yaya thats fair thats fair
[22:57:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <scotty!> are there any main page templates out there ?
[22:57:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> i think they can find your wiki automatically
[22:57:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> We have an extension that can help with this called wikiSEO.  Here's the guide in question:
[22:57:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[22:57:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking
[22:57:24] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User:NotAracham/WikiSEO - Improving Search Ranking - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[22:57:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> but honestly, to get a good result you'll have to use wikiseo
[22:57:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> because SEO on MW by default sucks
[22:57:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> indeed
[22:58:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> oh yes, well I will just wait
[22:59:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> working now on my other websites I noticed how different cache handling is from MW/PHP (at least on Node) 😛
[23:00:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, caching has been a wee bit slower post 1.39
[23:00:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I've had some interesting login issues with 1.39
[23:00:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I know CentralAuth has been described as a bit wonky due to caching
[23:01:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> on myy website I statically export all pages unless they absolutely need full SSR
[23:01:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> (usually pages where data changes very frequently, or if it's dynamically generated)
[23:02:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> I also like to use Incremental Static Regeneration
[23:02:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> where the cache gets invalidated after X seconds, so the page is automatically remade, but it's still a static page
[23:02:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Using Next?
[23:02:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> yes
[23:02:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> (and sveltekit)
[23:03:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Oh what I didn’t know sveltekit had that too
[23:15:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NFMiraheze> The iNext FANDOM Wiki got closed down
[23:21:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Aabsolutezero> did the mge server get closed down?
[23:22:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Not sure what you're referring to, this is the server for the wikihost Miraheze, we host over 5k wikis so more specificity would be helpful...
[23:23:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Aabsolutezero> i plead the 5th
[23:24:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Fair enough. 🙂
[23:25:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NFMiraheze> But I didn’t loose any content
[23:51:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> yeah, something with the cache of my wiki in particular is stuck
[23:51:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> idk what it is but I still can't get wikibase working fully, lol :P
[23:52:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> some Special Pages from the extension are not working
[23:57:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Hmm, maybe time for a Phab ticket if that's not resolved in a few hours