[00:29:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> done [[phab:T10386]]
[00:29:38] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:T10386
[00:29:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> anyway I will continue investigating this tomorrow
[00:29:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10386>
[00:29:44] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] ⚓ T10386 Inconsistent Wikibase behavior | phabricator.miraheze.org
[00:50:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome
[01:12:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome people
[01:13:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Hey all, I believe we've got a fix for CreateWiki
[01:14:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> YES
[01:14:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is very good
[01:15:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> <https://github.com/miraheze/CreateWiki/pull/376> for anyone interested
[01:15:14] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] use DeferredUpdates for shell scripts by The-Voidwalker · Pull Request #376 · miraheze/CreateWiki · GitHub | github.com
[01:16:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> great work
[01:18:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah
[01:18:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> would an extension like this be good to implement on miraheze? https://github.com/Wikia/mediawiki-extensions-MessageCachePerformance
[01:18:20] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] GitHub - Wikia/mediawiki-extensions-MessageCachePerformance | github.com
[01:18:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its one of fandom's post-ucp extensions but they (surprisingly) open-sourced it
[01:19:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> is there any way my wiki can have oauth? i plan to have javascript on the wiki that writes to an sql database for each user's "library of links", and it would be much easier to prevent people being able to change other user's libraries if the database could make sure that the user sending the commands is logged in as the correct user
[01:20:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> You'd need to propose the OAuth consumer from meta and then create a task on getting it approved.
[01:21:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> hmm i saw something about oauth consumer on meta, but i couldnt find it anywhere
[01:21:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> If it's a JS gadget though, you probably won't need that. Depends how it's done.
[01:23:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration> Though, if you're interested
[01:23:07] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Log in - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[01:23:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> how else would you suggest? basically picture a js script that can take input from the user, in like a text box, and then it inserts that data into that user's section of the sql db. currently, i just have it grabbing the logged in user's username with the api, but that wont prevent someone from changing the script to spoof another name
[01:24:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Well, I'm confused as to what the sql db is to be honest
[01:24:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @Orduin is it time to merge this https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5097
[01:24:28] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Revert "Temporarily disable approving wikis" by Universal-Omega · Pull Request #5097 · miraheze/mw-config · GitHub | github.com
[01:24:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> No, CW update hasn't been deployed
[01:24:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[01:24:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i see
[01:24:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> its on a different subdomain, pretty much completely separate from the wiki, just a good place to store the data, as compared to in wikispace
[01:26:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> and i was thinking the other domain could do an oauth check to make sure the user sending commands is logged in to mediawiki
[01:29:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome to heck
[01:47:06] <Naleksuh>	 @Orduin So does this mean no CreateWiki 2
[01:47:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> what is "callback url" in the oauth proposal?
[01:47:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> what would a createwiki 2 be?
[01:47:36] <Naleksuh>	 CreateWiki but it wasn't made in 2015
[01:47:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> what does not being made in 2015 mean
[01:48:07] <Naleksuh>	 The current year is 2023
[01:48:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> is it like vector 2022 where we just start with the same concept but design it for a different era
[01:48:11] <Naleksuh>	 2023 is a larger number than 2015
[01:48:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> without making feature changes
[01:48:22] <Naleksuh>	 No, it's basically the opposite
[01:48:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if so count me in 😎
[01:48:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[01:48:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> do we design it backwards
[01:48:30] <Naleksuh>	 It's designed the same but differently
[01:48:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> paradox
[01:48:37] <Naleksuh>	 CreateWiki is a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack
[01:48:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i like those
[01:49:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> heres a a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack that i made a while ago:
[01:49:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068709421804441731/image.png
[01:49:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068709422005760080/image.png
[01:51:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Gotta update <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Void/questionable_code> at some point
[01:51:22] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User:Void/questionable code - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[01:51:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[01:52:10] <Naleksuh>	 Is that from Miraheze
[01:52:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> my screenshot?
[01:52:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no
[01:52:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its from a personal project
[01:52:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> as for Void idk maybe it is
[01:53:05] <Naleksuh>	 No, Void's userpage
[01:53:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[01:53:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> idk
[01:54:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> First two are from JS scripts I have lying around somewhere on meta, second two are from the original source of Void-bot
[01:54:11] <Naleksuh>	 Oh
[01:54:24] <Naleksuh>	 I just think CreateWiki has a few...questionable .... design choices?
[01:54:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> like which ones
[01:54:53] <Naleksuh>	 https://github.com/miraheze/createwiki
[01:55:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i read through it briefly but didnt see anything
[01:55:19] <Naleksuh>	 Even just the readme makes you wonder
[01:55:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The whole default permissions page is very weird and wonky. I plan to submit a patch to make it work on non-Meta wikis
[01:55:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's a very useful page
[01:55:36] <Naleksuh>	 "based on CheckUser"
[01:55:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh
[01:55:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> heh yeah, that's quite funny
[01:55:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i usually fork off of random unrelated code
[01:55:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> because its easier to have something to start with
[01:55:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> UO told me it no longer features CU code but that's still funny to know
[01:56:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao yeah
[01:56:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I wonder what other things we can mold out of CheckUser 😆
[01:57:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao yea
[01:57:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> This feature doesn't seem to work.
[01:57:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068711419731787867/image.png
[01:57:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> CollapsibleVector is completely broken on 1.39
[01:57:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The dev has to fix it
[01:58:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> Looks like Wikipedia is using something else
[01:58:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068711640729657354/image.png
[01:58:46] <Naleksuh>	 You still have to wonder why it's on Meta though
[01:58:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Wikipedia runs 1.40
[01:58:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> we run 1.39
[01:59:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> oh
[01:59:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yeah
[01:59:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> MediaWiki 1.40 isn't even out for the public yet lol
[01:59:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> WMF loves to run bleeding edge code
[01:59:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> well, not so bleeding edge
[01:59:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Love that level of dogfooding
[02:00:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[02:01:48] <Naleksuh>	 Wikipedia ran 1.40 while Miraheze ran 1.38
[02:02:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Better than Editthis at least lol
[02:02:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> but https://test.wikipedia.org/ supposedly runs 1.40, yet its sidebar looks like 1.39's
[02:02:17] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Wikipedia | test.wikipedia.org
[02:02:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I think some changes only roll out to certain users/groups of wikis to test feedback
[02:03:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> so, the sidebar on the English Wikipedia is the experimental one?
[02:03:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Seems so, yes
[02:03:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> even newer than test wikipedia?
[02:03:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> wow, really bleeding edge
[02:04:05] <Naleksuh>	 They look the same to me
[02:04:17] <Naleksuh>	 Even when I use the vector-2022 skin
[02:08:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> i need to do a task on phab too? i see on another phab request for oauth, rhinos1 made a comment "I'd also rather we do these through meta"
[02:08:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> I'm not sure where else we'd track them, as they need SRE to approve them
[02:09:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> oh ok, i thought the form would auto send it to sre somehow
[02:09:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> when do we plan on merging the fix of create wiki into the production miraheze release
[02:09:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A fix is still being tested
[02:10:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah i see
[02:10:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sensr
[02:11:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kevin 💚💜> By fix, do you mean in 1.40 (hopefully)? I don't know how long that would be, but if there's no hack we can do to fix it. We'll have to restructure our sidebar.
[02:12:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Fix whenever. A fix could be pushed to fix it in 1.39 at any time, it isn't solely reliant on a new version being released
[02:14:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Back ports to older versions are pretty common, and 1.39 is the long-term support version.
[02:16:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Meaning it's more likely than average
[02:21:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome
[02:28:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome again
[02:29:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Man in za Mirror> lol deja vu
[02:29:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[02:32:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Yusif> hello
[02:32:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> hi
[02:32:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> need help with anything?
[02:43:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> Is there a way to add a calender to our wiki's?  I looked on Google and it mentions extensions, but I didn't see calender extension available.
[02:44:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> hmm
[02:44:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe
[02:44:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> what kind of calendar
[02:44:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Calendars any of these might work
[02:44:29] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Calendars - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org
[02:51:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Meteor> 🥱
[02:53:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> It looks like Cargo is an extension listed under Parser Hooks, but its greyed out.  Can we get access to that extension?
[02:53:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> MsCalendar unfortunately has some problems, so there's not a great option at the moment
[02:53:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> This would be a stewards noticeboard or phab request
[02:54:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It would be an SN request, it'd get declined on Phabricator
[02:55:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Some of the documentation still suggests phab as an alternative, I'll take a look when I have a moment and fix
[03:01:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> I was looking to add a calender to the wiki because the group I'm working with wanted to have a place where members can add events or post news like today is this persons birthday.
[03:12:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ill look into it
[03:13:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but
[03:13:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> one thought
[03:13:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe you could use tables to do ti
[03:15:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> You could, but the person adding the information would have to know mediawiki.  I was hoping for a solution where someone could click a day and add an event or other information
[03:16:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its easier to do for people who dont understand mediawiki if they use the visual editor
[03:21:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome
[03:21:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 2
[03:21:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> heck land
[03:33:33] <Naleksuh>	 Can any test wiki consuls close the request for a custom domain
[03:33:45] <Naleksuh>	 Someone is looking to see it change and it affects TWO ongoing RfC
[03:33:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> unsure
[03:33:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe ask one
[03:34:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or something
[03:34:09] <Naleksuh>	 OK I'll ask one right now
[03:34:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright
[03:34:13] <Naleksuh>	 Can any test wiki consuls close the request for a custom domain
[03:34:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> have fun
[03:34:15] <Naleksuh>	 Done
[03:34:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i dont think this is testwiki chat
[03:34:35] <Naleksuh>	 1) It's a Miraheze chat, which includes test wiki
[03:34:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> though most of the consuls are here so ig they might/probably will see it
[03:34:44] <Naleksuh>	 2) Everyone else uses it to talk about test wiki, why shouldn't I?
[03:35:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> nevermind
[03:35:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not worth arguing about this right now
[03:36:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Appropriate.  On a side note, added WMF to the acronym list
[03:36:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Our knowledge-base grows
[03:36:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good work
[03:38:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Naleksuh: It'd be best if we left it open for a tiny bit longer in order to see if we get more votes on the RfC
[03:38:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Actually, we should probably advertise the RfC via a sitenotice
[03:39:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> should check something hold on
[03:40:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i voted at the rfc
[03:42:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> thanks
[03:42:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> @Colleiflower you should also vote on the TestWiki counterpart <https://test.miraheze.org/wiki/TestWiki:Community_portal#TestWiki_RFC>
[03:42:59] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] TestWiki:Community portal - TestWiki | test.miraheze.org
[03:43:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright
[03:43:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i wil
[03:43:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> danke
[03:46:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Wiki requests are now open again
[03:46:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> YAY
[03:46:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is very good
[03:48:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @Agent i might be wrong but arent we supposed to use the on hold status to request clarification
[03:48:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It works :Partyheze:
[03:48:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i could be wrong about that
[03:48:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yay
[03:48:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That depends largely on wiki creator customs. Some like to place them on hold, others like to decline them. I fall into the latter camp
[03:48:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[03:48:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i see
[03:48:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> btw, your wiki was the first approved post this incident
[03:49:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> On hold doesn't consistently send emails to the requester, IIRC.
[03:49:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> so congrats
[03:49:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Which is another reason we prefer the latter, to spur action.
[03:49:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> But that's a technical hurdle that can be fixed.
[03:50:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Is there a ticket for that?
[03:50:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I'll review momentarily.  I think the behavior probably merits a retest to confirm given all the changes
[03:50:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah thanks lmao
[03:50:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> on hold has its quirks
[03:50:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It used to not allow requesters to reopen requests but that was fixed
[03:51:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[03:51:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i see
[03:52:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah
[03:52:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> this should probably be removed
[03:52:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068740219035205642/image.png
[03:53:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> removed
[03:53:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> kk got it
[04:04:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah
[04:04:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> does this one look good https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/29507
[04:04:26] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[04:04:37] <Naleksuh>	 What happened
[04:04:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Looks good
[04:05:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> > [irc] <Naleksuh> What happened
[04:05:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> void fixed the wiki requests
[04:05:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there was some issue with tasks being run in the wrong order or canceling themselves or something like that
[04:05:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> mediawiki update caused it
[04:05:50] <Naleksuh>	 Oh, MediaWiki update caused it?
[04:05:53] <Naleksuh>	 According to Agent, I caused it
[04:05:54] <Naleksuh>	 Good to know
[04:06:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the mediawiki update caused the extension to break
[04:06:13] <Naleksuh>	 Yup
[04:06:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You didn't cause anything unless you're a MediaWiki dev lol
[04:06:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> stop looking for opportunities to re-start this argument naleksuh
[04:06:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Anyhow, it seems that it was caused due to the way that CreateWiki handled database transactions
[04:06:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> so that was fixed
[04:06:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Thanks Void!
[04:06:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats good
[04:06:54] <Naleksuh>	 "re-start"?
[04:06:54] <Naleksuh>	 Agent still hasn't retracted their statement or responded to my talk page message, so as far as I'm concerned it never stopped
[04:06:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 🎉
[04:07:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I don't often check my talk oagey
[04:07:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> page*
[04:07:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> just like every so often
[04:07:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> email notifs get drowned in the deluge of emails I get
[04:22:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> I don't know how I missed it the first time, but there is an extension called Calender which enables Calendar-Wikivoyage by Roland Unger.
[04:22:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> 
[04:22:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> At this point, I'm not sure what to do next.  the information on the linked Mediawiki page does not have good directions.
[04:23:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> which mw page are you looking at
[04:23:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> can you send theu rl
[04:25:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> I just tried but I got a message saying cannot post url.
[04:25:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh
[04:25:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> use /auth
[04:25:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> shorturl.at/tBHPU
[04:26:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is not /auth
[04:26:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but according to wheregoes it leads to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar-Wikivoyage
[04:26:30] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Extension:Calendar-Wikivoyage - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org
[04:26:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> I got around it.  I went to site that converts urls into shortened ones.
[04:26:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that isnt what bypassed it
[04:27:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im not entirely sure but the filter seems to match https://whatever.whatever
[04:28:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> @Colleiflower Thats the page I'm looking at.
[04:28:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i know
[04:28:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it says to use something following this template:
[04:28:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ```
[04:28:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> {{#calendar: 
[04:28:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | title= Table header. Instead of a missing title the month and year are shown.
[04:28:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | prevLink= Text or link with the meaning of "previous". The text can contain place-holders.
[04:28:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | nextLink= Text or link with the meaning of "next". The text can contain place-holders.
[04:28:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | month= month to show. Possible values are 1 through 12. A missing month is substituted by the current month.
[04:28:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | year= year to show. A missing year is substituted by the current year.
[04:28:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>          Possible values are between 1970 and 2038.
[04:29:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | offset= offset to the given month/year in months.
[04:29:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | lang= Language of days and months names. Supported language codes are 'user' (user language) or
[04:29:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>          'content' (content language; default).
[04:29:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | highlightedDays= Highlighted days in addition to the current day. Values are separated by spaces.
[04:29:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | start= first day of week. Possible values are 0 (Sundays) and 1 (Mondays).
[04:29:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | position= defines additional floating. Possible values are (nothing), left, right and center
[04:29:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>          (case insensitive)
[04:29:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | 1= to 31= For every day a link can be specified
[04:29:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | titleLink= Link to the title. The link can contain place-holders. Do not use link parentheses.
[04:29:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | generalLinks= Identical links to all days. The links can contain place-holders. Do not use link parentheses.
[04:29:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>          generalLinks is overwritten by the options 1= to 31=
[04:29:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | dayCharsCount= maximum numbers of characters for weekday names 
[04:29:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | monthCharsCount= maximum numbers of characters for month names
[04:29:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | tableWidth= width of the table. 'none' means no definition, 'default' the default width of 20em
[04:29:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>          You can also specify other CSS values like 50%, 300px or 30em.
[04:29:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>  | showToday= specify the highlightings of the today's day. 'true' is default.
[04:29:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>          'false' prevents highlighting
[04:29:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> }}
[04:29:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ```
[04:29:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Wow... that's not a great way to handle calendars for end users.
[04:30:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i know
[04:32:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> I saw that.  I put that on a blank page, but you can't edit it.
[04:33:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> If you try to use Visual Editor, it opens up the parameters for the template.
[04:34:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It looks like they use a parser function which makes me think they use an extension
[04:34:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i knwo
[04:34:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its an extension documentation
[04:35:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> use source editor
[04:35:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> Even in Source Editor your still getting that page code.  There has to be something more to it.
[04:37:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you have to modify this a bit
[04:37:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> give me a moment
[04:38:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> this is how it looks on my private wiki
[04:38:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1068751778537029693/image.png
[04:38:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> this is pretty terrible as a feature ngl
[04:38:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> anyway brb needa eat
[04:50:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i am back
[04:59:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> @SuperSonicKazooie I saw your message and I have no idea
[04:59:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Maybe, maybe not, who knows
[05:00:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You'll have to ask them
[05:02:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SuperSonicKazooie> Who should I ask?
[05:02:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Contact one of the admins on there
[05:02:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We don't have their contact details
[05:02:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SuperSonicKazooie> Where can I find the admins?
[05:02:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I wouldn't know
[05:25:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Not a Miraheze question, but this at least is a starting place:
[05:25:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> https://newqualitipedia.telepedia.net/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop
[05:25:13] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User list | New Qualitipedia Wiki | newqualitipedia.telepedia.net
[05:39:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Baron Field O. Fux> Hey all, having an issue with multiplayer where nobody except the host can actually interact with the world. Can't cut trees, collect items, craft, build etc. Can't even click the menu button
[05:39:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You seem to be on the wrong server. This is the server for the Miraheze wiki farm.
[05:39:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Baron Field O. Fux> Do we have to grant permissions or something? Or is everyone who joins just a visitor type thing?
[05:40:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Baron Field O. Fux> Oh is this not the server for APICO?
[05:40:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No
[05:40:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Baron Field O. Fux> Oh, my bad
[05:40:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No worries
[05:50:21] <Naleksuh>	 @Agent We need less sysop-protected pages, not more
[05:50:30] <Naleksuh>	 Did the RFC say to protect the page, or just to make it a policy?
[05:50:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Most other policy pages are protected
[05:50:49] <Naleksuh>	 And they shouldn't be either
[05:50:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Michael Timko> Did some more reading. Apparently the extension Calender that we have access to is just a static calender that you can add to a wiki.  Its not meant to be calender where you can input events and stuff.
[05:51:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe open some kind of discussion on that
[05:51:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Agent something for you in DMs, just a quick question
[05:51:34] <Naleksuh>	 I already opened two policy-related discussions today
[05:51:36] <Naleksuh>	 Not making any more
[05:52:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> There isn't a need to fight everything imo
[05:53:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> not everything needs an RfC, especially policy page protections (which is standard)
[05:53:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> not sure why this is an issue now
[05:54:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no clue
[05:54:11] <Naleksuh>	 It isn't standard apart from that Reception123 protected a bunch and no-one questioned it
[05:54:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and yea @Michael Timko i realized the same thing
[05:54:22] <Naleksuh>	 For real, does anyone support that?
[05:54:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ...does someone have to question it 100% of the time?
[05:54:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i do
[05:54:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Can we not
[05:54:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i support it
[05:54:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> agent is correct
[05:54:39] <Naleksuh>	 Does anyone whose account is more than two weeks old support that?
[05:54:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> Naleksuh: I'll talk with you privately via IRC in a second
[05:54:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Policy pages shouldn't be open to editing
[05:55:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> agree
[05:55:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so far, reception123, brandonwm, and notaracham do
[05:55:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> *to free editing
[05:55:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ever considered reading like WP:BITE for example
[05:55:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> care to explain how me being a new contributor makes me wrong about everything
[05:55:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> This is another situation where stepping back is advisable.
[05:55:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright sorry
[05:55:50] <Naleksuh>	 Well, does autoconfirmed count as free editing? My main concern is that:
[05:55:50] <Naleksuh>	 1) These make maintenance edits (not changing policy) hard
[05:55:50] <Naleksuh>	 2) It creates the idea that sysops may freely edit policy
[05:56:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no it prevents vandalism from occurring
[05:56:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> sysops should not be freely editing policy either
[05:56:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> indeed
[05:57:06] <Naleksuh>	 Protecting all policies at sysop level creates the idea that sysops choose the policy
[05:57:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> for anything besides typos and such, there needs to be a consensus
[05:57:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no it doesn't imo
[05:57:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea it doesnt
[05:57:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i don't know anyone that thinks that
[05:57:50] <Naleksuh>	 The other problem is "preemptive" protection
[05:58:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> vandalism happens *all the time*
[05:58:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i don't see how there's anything preemptive about this
[05:58:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> indeed
[05:58:25] <Naleksuh>	 That page was vandalized 0 times before it was protected
[05:58:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there are very very few reasons for anyone besides admins to edit policy pages
[05:58:45] <Naleksuh>	 Actually there was lots of reasons
[05:58:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ive seen some genuine edit requests to policies most of which are very minor typos
[05:58:52] <Naleksuh>	 Infact I think *most* edits are maintenance
[05:59:01] <Naleksuh>	 Most of the time, they just don't get done because you don't want to bother with an edit request
[05:59:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> got it. so we need a case by case basis for every single page on meta to be protected
[05:59:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> prove it
[05:59:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you're the one making the assertion so you need to provide the evidence
[05:59:33] <Naleksuh>	 Uh, yeah
[05:59:42] <Naleksuh>	 That's how protection is supposed to be used
[05:59:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i.e., you're asserting that there are supposed to be more edits to policy pages
[05:59:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no, it's not
[06:00:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> since when are there guidelines for sysops protecting pages
[06:00:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i dont see which ones. also, yeah, your assertion about protection is also unproven.
[06:00:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Y'all, I've been patient, but it's time to stop
[06:00:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright sorry
[06:00:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> idk man, policies are like really important, so protection is needed
[06:00:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> we already agreed to discontinue this argument
[06:00:36] <Naleksuh>	 @NotAracahm This is a policy discussion
[06:00:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Many policy pages are protected by default to ensure coherence and prevent random edits
[06:00:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> This isn't new
[06:01:13] <Naleksuh>	 I never said it was new
[06:02:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> This isn't up for debate. Protection is at the discretion of Meta admins. Let's end this here.
[06:02:35] <Naleksuh>	 So, would you like to create a protection policy, then?
[06:02:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Halt or get a timed ban, that applies to all in this discussion.
[06:03:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> got it
[07:01:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @NotAracham @Agent question: will [[Code of Conduct]] be moved to [[Miraheze Spaces Code of Conduct]]
[07:01:16] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Spaces_Code_of_Conduct
[07:01:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct>
[07:01:18] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Code of Conduct - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[07:01:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Spaces_Code_of_Conduct?action=edit&redlink=1>
[07:01:19] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Creating Miraheze Spaces Code of Conduct - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[07:01:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> or will it stay where it is
[07:02:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It won't because a sysadmin has to do it
[07:02:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I already tried
[07:02:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> why?
[07:02:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No idea
[07:02:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> also could you add CoC as a shortcut to the code of conduct page
[07:02:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Translate doesn't like it as the entire prefix has over 500 pages
[07:03:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> ah
[07:03:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> wait for the move or the shortcut
[07:10:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> cc @Reception123 for the move ^
[07:11:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> already updated redirects
[07:11:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> or at least a bunch of them
[07:11:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'm talking about moving the actual page
[07:11:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yeah i know
[07:11:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> just was letting you know as to the status of the redirects
[07:11:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> my bad, should've made that clearer
[07:11:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> so yes/no on adding CoC as a shortcut?
[07:14:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yeah, I'll add it to the page
[07:15:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> thanks
[11:53:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> The Welcome messages really need an individual channel now lol
[11:54:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It was trialed for a bit
[11:55:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> It's always better to separate the welcome channel from the general chats, aim for the future
[11:55:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> and you guys are already at reaching the pace of one new member per half hour
[11:56:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> but convos are still not as frequent as welcome messages
[12:15:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMnich> /auth
[13:09:34] <ugochimobi>	 @Agent or anyone, lol, who can define miraheze pseudo-interwiki thingy in few words? https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Guide_to_interwiki_linking#Miraheze_pseudo-interwiki_links
[13:09:34] <ugochimobi>	 My head is currently blocked, lol
[13:09:35] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Guide to interwiki linking - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[13:10:09] <ugochimobi>	 I can add more details, but don't know how to start the introductory sentence, lol
[13:11:07] <ugochimobi>	 or maybe @RhinosF1
[13:51:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <OatCookies> Goodnight!
[15:12:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jatotz> This question has probably been asked a lot recently, but is there an estimate on how long approvals will be disabled?
[15:15:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Requests/Approvals have been re-enabled, through proper permissions still need to be worked out on some of the wikis approved during the bugged period.
[15:15:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I'll update announcements in an hour or two when I'm officially awake for the day.
[15:17:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <paladox> Maybe we should put the welcome thing in a separate channel?
[15:18:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no
[15:18:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> boring
[15:27:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> hi
[15:27:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <doic0doc> Hi
[15:43:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> if you don't mind using Lua
[15:43:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> I have adapted a module I found on Wikipedia
[15:43:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> <https://wikirby.com/wiki/Module:Sandbox/Calendar>
[15:43:31] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Module:Sandbox/Calendar - WiKirby: it's a wiki, about Kirby! | wikirby.com
[15:43:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> no dependencies required
[15:44:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> I mean, technically it has, because it's an event calendar
[15:44:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> it reads a specified subpage to display events
[15:44:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> example <https://wikirby.com/wiki/User:Lakelimbo/Calendar>
[15:44:16] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User:Lakelimbo/Calendar - WiKirby: it's a wiki, about Kirby! | wikirby.com
[16:09:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welcome
[16:09:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kittou08> thanks !
[16:28:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> yes plz
[16:28:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> w/ only bot being able to post welcome messages, which will have limk to #ID:407537962553966603
[16:32:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Figured out how to do it, gathering internal consensus w/ moderator/admin team and will do so today if approved.
[16:33:10] <RhinosF1>	 ugochimobi: I’m not around for a week
[16:34:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I can take a crack at this, can you confirm what you're referring to there?  Is it the [[mh:subdomain:]] thing?
[16:34:33] <wm-bot>	 https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/subdomain:
[16:34:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://subdomain.miraheze.org/wiki/>
[16:34:35] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Wiki not found | subdomain.miraheze.org
[16:35:39] <Naleksuh>	 @NoAracahma What are you trying to do?
[16:35:42] <Naleksuh>	 @NotAracham
[16:35:47] <Naleksuh>	 Sorry I failed the first time 
[16:37:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Oh, if this is in relation to the 'figured out how to do it' message, there's an authentication bot on the Discord side that creates a message any time someone joins the server.
[16:37:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I've determined how to move those welcome messages to another channel, but will be checking with rest of the mod team before taking action.
[16:38:11] <Naleksuh>	 You're on the "mod team"?
[16:38:11] <Naleksuh>	 OK, I don't care what anyone else says. This is Dmehus all over again
[16:38:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Hey bud, cool it right now.
[16:38:34] <Naleksuh>	 I'm not saying you're a bad person. I'm saying the community's mistakes are being repeated
[16:38:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That was an immediate assumption of bad faith and wasn't cool.
[16:38:58] <Naleksuh>	 Well, it wasn't meant to be. Maybe I communicated badly
[16:39:02] <Naleksuh>	 Do you know what situation I am talking about?
[16:39:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I'm aware of that situation, yes.
[16:41:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> The revocation and all the things leading up to it.
[16:41:21] <Naleksuh>	 I'm not talking about the recovation
[16:42:34] <Naleksuh>	 Can you join IRC and I will catch you up?
[16:42:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yep, general isn't an appropriate forum.
[16:43:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> One moment
[16:44:22] <Naleksuh>	 @Agent @Orduin Can we consider reverting the bridge channel?
[16:44:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We can
[16:47:34] <Naleksuh>	 People used to be able to talk about whatever they wanted on #miraheze but ever since it got bridged to #general on Discord now people on IRC have to follow the rules there for some reason
[16:47:45] <Naleksuh>	 So, let us put it back the way it was
[16:50:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Owen> Both platforms have the same set of rules in terms of the Code of Conduct.
[16:50:52] <Naleksuh>	 No because there's also rules that you have to say things in #offtopic even if it's about Miraheze or folllows the CoC
[16:51:04] <Naleksuh>	 Everyone could talk about those things here just fine until it was bridge to Discord
[16:51:10] <Naleksuh>	 Now they have to follow rules that only exist on Discord
[16:51:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Owen> Those rules also should have existed on IRC as there is an offtopic channel there
[16:58:08] <Naleksuh>	 @Owen Are you reading this private conversation?
[16:58:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Owen> Private conversation?
[16:58:57] <Naleksuh>	 Me and NotAracham were talking about one specific person and just a few minutes later you locked their account
[16:59:04] <Naleksuh>	 If that was just a coincidence I'm sorry
[16:59:08] <Naleksuh>	 But I thought you might have been reading it
[16:59:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Eh?  I'm not locked, but I use cloud IRC
[16:59:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Owen> It is a coincidence - that was discussed last night at the Directors meeting
[17:05:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @Owen please add some sort of former note to his user page
[17:05:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Also a slight surprise
[17:07:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Owen> Adjusted
[17:10:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Firestar464> Schizo rat eats food: Why is the food disappearing?
[17:10:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Schizophrenic Man> so true
[17:10:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Firestar464> plot twist: the food was never there in the first place
[17:11:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Schizophrenic Man> good thereory
[17:11:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Schizophrenic Man> but anyway,  Is there a list of mods required to run this? I just downloaded the mod but some visual effects and other things are't here that ive seen in youtube videos?
[17:11:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> quick note for you but Doug should also be removed from the T/S role here on Discord and from ops on IRC
[17:11:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> This is the Miraheze wiki farm discord server. Are you looking for a specific wiki?
[17:12:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Schizophrenic Man> Im running the mod everglow and i was on the wiki and it took me to this discord
[17:12:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Owen> Removed from the Discord role. I don't have any control on IRC
[17:12:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> gotcha
[17:12:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> wait is he still a GIWA?
[17:13:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Did you come here via the link on the notice on the top?
[17:13:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Schizophrenic Man> yes
[17:13:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That notice is on all 6,000 Miraheze wikis so apologies for the confusion
[17:14:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Stewards he can be removed from the GIWA role on Feb 2
[17:14:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Schizophrenic Man> Oh okay, so is there a way i can figure this out, the wiki did't really say what othr mods u need to use
[17:14:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> that'
[17:14:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> per the GIWA inactivity clause
[17:15:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Owen you available for a second by any chance
[17:15:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Owen> Sure
[17:15:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> mkay i'll DM you
[17:16:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That's unfortunate
[17:16:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yes i suppose so
[17:17:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> We can't really help you with it here, as this discord is not about whatever topic the wiki you came from are about, but are rather just about the service hosting that and many other wiki's. You would have to find another way to contact the actual community around the wiki you comes from.
[17:18:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Schizophrenic Man> okay thank you
[18:21:57] <Naleksuh>	 @cookie guy They were already removed when he lost steward
[18:23:22] <Naleksuh>	 Also what exactly is a GIWA
[18:34:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <scotty!> how do i make templatestyles work ?
[18:35:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <scotty!> ive activated it on my wiki and installed numerous templates, but the page still displays code as text instead of using it for styling
[18:38:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Global interwiki administrator
[18:38:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Vs local, because that role exists too
[18:42:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <scotty!> how do i get access to special:changecontentmodel ?
[18:45:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no i don’t believe they were
[18:45:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> interwiki admin
[18:45:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> he still has that role
[20:07:49] <Naleksuh>	 Entry    Nickname/Host          Flags
[20:07:49] <Naleksuh>	 ----------------------------------------------------------------
[20:07:50] <Naleksuh>	 1        Reception123           +AFRVefiorstv        [modified 1y 36w 1d ago, on May 20 16:56:58 2021 +0000, by JohnLewis]
[20:07:50] <Naleksuh>	 2        Voidwalker             +AFRVefiorstv        [modified 1y 32w 4d ago, on Jun 14 17:21:23 2021 +0000, by Reception123]
[20:07:50] <Naleksuh>	 3        paladox                +ARVefiorstv         [modified 1y 24w 4d ago, on Aug 09 19:51:01 2021 +0000, by Voidwalker]
[20:07:50] <Naleksuh>	 4        CosmicAlpha            +ARVefiorstv         [modified 23w 5d 11h ago, on Aug 15 08:15:58 2022 +0000, by Reception123]
[20:07:50] <Naleksuh>	 5        litharge               +Vov                 [modified 1y 2w 4d ago, on Jan 10 08:26:35 2022 +0000, by dmehus]
[20:07:51] <Naleksuh>	 6        JohnLewis              +AFRVefiorstv        [modified 1y 12w 6d ago, on Oct 30 19:25:20 2021 +0000, by Reception123]
[20:07:51] <Naleksuh>	 7        Agent                  +AVeotv              [modified 1y 15w 3d ago, on Oct 12 05:10:42 2021 +0000, by Reception123]
[20:07:52] <Naleksuh>	 8        MacFan4000             +AVeotv              [modified 48w 5d 2h ago, on Feb 21 17:43:59 2022 +0000, by Reception123]
[20:07:52] <Naleksuh>	 ----------------------------------------------------------------
[20:07:53] <Naleksuh>	 End of #miraheze FLAGS listing.
[20:07:57] <Naleksuh>	 @cookie guy I don't see dmehus on here
[20:08:01] <paladox>	 ?
[20:08:31] <Naleksuh>	 paladox : cookie guy was saying dmehus needs to be deopped, and I was saying they already were
[20:08:58] <Naleksuh>	 I guess I did ping everyone on that list though so...maybe I shouldn't have disabled the paste
[20:08:59] <paladox>	 not sure why you had to ping everyone (you should have done that in a paste)
[20:09:12] <Naleksuh>	 I disabled the paste feature
[20:09:17] <Naleksuh>	 In retrospect I'm not really sure why
[20:09:20] <Naleksuh>	 Maybe I will reenable it
[20:10:42] <Reception123>	 Doug was removed a long time ago afaik 
[20:10:52] <Reception123>	 Ever since he was no longer Steward
[20:10:55] <Naleksuh>	 Yes, he was
[20:11:01] <Naleksuh>	 But cookie guy has said *twice* that he wasn't
[20:12:34] <paladox>	 i think they just presumed
[20:12:54] <Naleksuh>	 I said once they were removed and they said "I don't believe they were" or something
[20:13:01] <Naleksuh>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no i don’t believe they were
[20:16:58] <MacFan4000>	 Naleksuh: I just reread the message and right after that they said that Doug still has interwiki admin, so they were not referring to IRC that time
[20:17:17] <Naleksuh>	 But that was below
[20:23:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> I did a opsie and I need help
[20:23:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> 
[20:23:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> I was changing my wiki's permissions and, with the intention of only making so that administrators can use the manage wiki, I removed that permission from bureaucrat
[20:23:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> 
[20:23:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> But turns out administrators cant use the manage wiki, and now that bureaucrat cant either im locked out of the menu lmao
[20:23:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> what should I do?
[20:24:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> Yes please don't judge me lol
[20:24:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> File a request on the [[Stewards' Noticeboard]] for assistance, a steward should hopefully be able to help you shortly.
[20:24:31] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_Noticeboard
[20:24:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards'_Noticeboard>
[20:24:35] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Stewards' noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[20:25:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @Reception123 @Orduin should be able to if they are around
[20:26:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> Be sure to provide a link to your wiki
[20:27:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> thegrandcombination.miraheze.org/
[20:27:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> that's my wiki, my username is Wyrmdt
[20:28:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @wyrmsfor10centsapiece can you /auth
[20:28:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> im not aware of that, how does that work?
[20:28:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> you mean in the server?
[20:28:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> alright wait
[20:28:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yes, the `/auth` command triggers the bot to walk you through verifying your wiki user
[20:29:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> done
[20:29:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> It lets the folks w/ sufficient permissions know that discord you is wiki you. 🙂
[20:29:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> yeah that makes sense
[20:30:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i thought you meant that the interwiki admin perm had been removed
[20:30:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> i knew that they had already lost ops perms for most MH irc channels
[20:30:58] <Naleksuh>	 I thought managewiki had something to stop this
[20:31:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> No
[20:31:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It’s been recommended a lot
[20:31:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> But never implemented
[20:31:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Reception123 or @paladox, could an SRE member move [[Code of Conduct]] to [[Miraheze Spaces Code of Conduct]]
[20:31:38] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Spaces_Code_of_Conduct
[20:31:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct>
[20:31:41] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Code of Conduct - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[20:31:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Spaces_Code_of_Conduct?action=edit&redlink=1>
[20:31:42] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Creating Miraheze Spaces Code of Conduct - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[20:32:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> the problem has been solved
[20:32:03] <Naleksuh>	 Oh that reminds me, what happens if and when test wiki becomes official?
[20:32:03] <Naleksuh>	 As far as I know it's the only project where bureaucrats can't managewiki
[20:32:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> thank you very much sorry for the trouble, it was really a stupid mistake
[20:32:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> @wyrmsfor10centsapiece restored managewiki for bureaucrats, be sure to assign managewiki to a new group before removing it from the current one
[20:32:41] <Naleksuh>	 @wyrmsfor10centsapiece Don't worry, you are not the first
[20:32:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> You’re amazing @Orduin
[20:32:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <wyrmsfor10centsapiece> alright thanks
[20:32:53] <Naleksuh>	 Like I said there shold be something in the software to stop that
[20:32:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> this was approved yesterday but never completed
[20:33:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> since Agent was unable to move the page
[20:33:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> cc @Orduin ^
[20:33:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> unless you successfully change the local policy regarding consuls, nothing
[20:33:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> There’s a moveTranslatablePage script
[20:34:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Re that pahe
[20:34:07] <Naleksuh>	 @Orduin Well, then testwiki would need to be exempted
[20:34:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> from what?
[20:34:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> theoretically speaking, a warning of some sort could be created and the user would have to bypass that before pushing the changes
[20:34:35] <Naleksuh>	 From bureaucrats being unable to managewiki
[20:34:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> Yeah, even official wikis make their own policies afaik
[20:34:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yes
[20:34:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> that's the case
[20:34:56] <Naleksuh>	 None of you are getting what I'm saying
[20:35:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> No we’re not
[20:35:27] <Naleksuh>	 The proposed change was making it so that it's impossible to remove managewiki from bureaucrats. But on test wiki, it's supposed to be removed. Therefore, it must be exempted to allow removing it on that wiki only
[20:35:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Yeah that’s exactly why it’s not enforced in software
[20:35:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> If bureaucrats have access to ManageWiki then it'll be easy for them to outrank consuls whenever they want
[20:36:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Most suggestions were a warning of some sort
[20:36:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yes
[20:36:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> the current format is fine
[20:36:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> They'll be able to change MW permissions easily
[20:36:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Or to have it force consul to be on at least one group
[20:36:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Consuls are the equivalent to local bureaucrats
[20:36:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> pretty much
[20:36:35] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah it makes you wonder why bureaucrats exist
[20:36:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Crat on testwiki is pretty pointless
[20:37:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> @Reception123 here
[20:38:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> basically
[20:39:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> Consul -> Bureaucrat
[20:39:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> Bureaucrat -> Admin 1.5
[20:39:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> Admin -> Admin 1.0
[20:39:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yeah, crat is useless locally
[20:39:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Anyone can get crat despite it being an "advanced trust" position
[20:39:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Other bureaucrats certainly don't see it that way
[20:39:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> They grant it out very liberally
[20:39:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> yup
[20:40:14] <Naleksuh>	 They aren't supposed to
[20:40:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> theoretically i suppose we could restrict eligibility for the role
[20:40:26] <Naleksuh>	 I've granted bureaucrat like maybe 2 times ever
[20:41:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> tbh the current format on testwiki is fine
[20:41:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Update: Welcome messages have now been moved to a dedicated #welcome channel under Information.
[20:41:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> no changes are needed
[20:41:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <cookie guy> love this
[20:45:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I'm wanted to try WikiTeam script, again, and there's no file on their github  :ThinkingHardMH:
[20:52:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> is this what you're looking for?
[20:52:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam/blob/master/dumpgenerator.py
[20:52:07] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] wikiteam/dumpgenerator.py at master · WikiTeam/wikiteam · GitHub | github.com
[20:54:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> ah
[20:54:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I probably gotta sleep now
[20:54:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> but python is honestly frustrating for me
[20:54:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> node.js thingy didn't worked for me either, was having some error
[20:54:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> No worries, it's not a pre-packaged executable, it threw me for a bit too.  I've still only got it partly working locally
[20:56:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's python2 also
[20:57:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah,  there were a lot of dependency gotchas as a result since the original requirements file doesn't specify versions on those
[20:57:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> And newer versions of those files weren't compatible
[20:57:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> * ded *
[20:58:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I've lost link to newer script
[20:58:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> @Legroom Happy to share findings if/when you dive further into that, though I know we've got python folks in the community w/ more knowledge than I
[20:58:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> on python 3
[22:08:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> whats with Matomo saying every visitor is a new visit under the Time Passed tab?
[22:13:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> means they did not return to the wiki im pretty sure
[22:14:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats not uncommon for niche wikis that havent finished their SEO efforts
[22:14:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i could be wrong though
[22:14:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe it means something else
[22:16:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> no even on meta it says every single user is a new visit
[22:17:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Analytics#mw-section-visitpass
[22:17:32] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] MatomoAnalytics - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[22:21:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh
[22:21:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i see
[22:21:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not sure
[22:22:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe because tracking people across multiple sessions is disabled or something
[22:23:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> could be