[00:04:44] <Agent>	 Hi dmehus 
[00:06:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> where is dmehus
[00:06:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> On IRC
[00:06:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[00:06:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> neat
[00:13:34] <dmehus>	 hey Agent :)
[00:14:00] <Agent>	 How are you?
[00:27:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Mig> Hello, i have an wiki using merdawiki and i would like to know if i could easy transition it to a wiki on miraheze using a custom domain, also what are the cons of miraheze?
[00:30:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> @Mig , users who haven't used the `/auth` command to connect their Miraheze user account to their Discord user can't send links in chat.
[00:30:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Mig> oh sorry
[00:31:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Looking into your wiki, it seems like you're using a few non-standard configurations for URL pagename syntax.
[00:31:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> While we do have reasonable support for XML imports from other wiki hosts, you might find that some pages break as part of that process.
[00:32:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if you need help manually importing
[00:32:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im available to help
[00:32:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> (Reposting link for broader access: http://wiiupedia.wiki/wiiki/index.php/Main_Page)
[00:32:52] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] WiiUpedia | wiiupedia.wiki
[00:33:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> kk
[00:36:14] <dmehus>	 Agent: Good, getting over a bit of a cold. Had my sister and nephews visiting. I have a number of news items to share with you though
[00:36:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> One thing to know about MH: as we are a host based out of (and incorporated in) the UK, and as such UK law applies.  
[00:36:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> It seems like a major focus of your wiki from what I can see is firmware hacks/side-boots which are a *little* iffy under UK law.  I'll check w/ the rest of the WC team to see if there's any potential issues there before you apply.
[00:36:20] <dmehus>	 I might switch to Discord
[00:36:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> they are iffy everywhere
[00:36:41] <Naleksuh>	 Well looks like someone returned
[00:36:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Regional law varies.
[00:36:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> companies constantly pressing lawsuits because people fixed their crap instead of buying new things
[00:36:53] <Naleksuh>	 Oh Agent is back on IRC too
[00:37:19] <dmehus>	 Has Agent not been active on IRC?
[00:37:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not letting people jailbreak or root their devices just because it means they'll get the chance to choose what app store to use
[00:37:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> etc
[00:37:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Mig> alright, homebrew isn't illegal even on UK laws as far as i know, piracy is tho but i'm not publishing anything piracy-related
[00:37:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that kind of thing is illegal in plenty of places
[00:37:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> companies press lawsuits for it all the time
[00:38:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no idea what homebrew is but firmware hacks and side-boots are indeed constantly getting people sued all over the place
[00:38:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i went too off-topic my bad
[00:39:36] <Naleksuh>	 dmehus : PLEASE DON'T SWITCH TO DISCORD
[00:40:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Thanks, let's chill on that for now, no need to get excited until the local experts weigh in. 🙂
[00:40:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright got it
[00:40:08] <dmehus>	 Naleksuh, oh I still like IRC better and will stay here, I just mean I'll switch tabs :P
[00:40:14] <Naleksuh>	 Good
[00:40:21] <Naleksuh>	 The right opinion from Dmehus
[00:40:25] <Naleksuh>	 1 point for you
[00:40:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Join the dark side, we have threaded conversations and a support forum. 🙃
[00:40:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> (jokes)
[00:40:47] <Naleksuh>	 Threads are bad
[00:41:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> *shrug* I agree to disagree on that point
[00:41:25] <dmehus>	 NotAracham, true, that has been advantage to Discord since they implemented Slack-like threads. The downside of Discord is searchability. I skimmed an academic journal article recently that looked at that aspect
[00:41:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Oh 100%. Searchability is atrocious, esp. interplay between special search terms and freetext.
[00:42:06] <dmehus>	 absolutely
[00:42:31] <Naleksuh>	 They only added them because Guilded did
[00:42:50] <Naleksuh>	 Discord clearly sees Guilded as a threat; every time Guilded adds a feature Discord adds it 2-3 months later
[00:42:58] <dmehus>	 What's Guilded? A Discord-like messaging service?
[00:43:03] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah
[00:43:06] <dmehus>	 ah
[00:43:19] <Naleksuh>	 They also have a sensible monetization system instead of locking everything behind Nitro
[00:43:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> It is incredibly handy for handling complex support issues, though.  General is borderline unreadable when there's 2-3 going at once otherwise.
[00:43:35] <Naleksuh>	 Also Discord had to let people earn money from boosts because Guilded was letting you do it and people questioned why Discord was keeping the entire bag
[00:43:45] <dmehus>	 I actually quite like Element.io (Matrix client). Their Libera bridge has gotten really good
[00:44:10] <Naleksuh>	 So dmehus why did you come back all of a sudden?
[00:44:17] <Naleksuh>	 I thought you were gone forever :OOOO 
[00:44:18] <paladox>	 I quite like discord
[00:44:25] * dmehus hates having to use Microsoft Teams at work :(
[00:44:43] <Naleksuh>	 I'd rather use Teams than Discord
[00:44:48] <Agent>	 lol
[00:44:53] <dmehus>	 Naleksuh, oh no, definitely not. I like Miraheze. I'd just been so busy at work over the fall
[00:44:54] <paladox>	 I hate teams
[00:44:59] <dmehus>	 paladox, me too
[00:45:05] <dmehus>	 Naleksuh, wow, that surprises me!
[00:45:32] <Naleksuh>	 I'd rather have no chat for Miraheze and only communicate via talk pages than have the Discord server exist
[00:45:34] <Agent>	 wb then
[00:45:55] <dmehus>	 Agent, thanks :)
[00:48:26] <Naleksuh>	 Did you know that dmehus backwards is suhemd
[00:49:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Do you keep riffing on this because you want someone to type huskelan? 🙂
[00:50:20] <Naleksuh>	 "riffing on"?
[00:50:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Because it is very fun to type.
[00:50:40] <Naleksuh>	 No I just type the word and then press the left arrow key in between each letter
[00:50:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Oh, I've seen you say something similar a few times.
[00:51:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Anyway, getting silly and off-topic, I'll park it.
[00:58:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Mig> idk about uk laws, but homebrew means only running unsigned code on consoles, which isn't illegal because i'm not infringing any copyright laws
[00:59:04] <dmehus>	 Naleksuh, yeah, I believe I did. suhemd is not a word, though, is it?
[00:59:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Mig> if i own the console, legally i can do whatever i want with it
[00:59:21] <Naleksuh>	 Neither is dmehus
[00:59:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> @Mig you should be fine as you document it only
[00:59:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Mig> ok
[00:59:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yay
[01:00:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Mig> i'm doing a request soon, thanks
[01:09:16] <Naleksuh>	 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QwmlBnBl/image.png
[01:12:50] <dmehus>	 That's true, but at least it's my first initial and last name
[01:22:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe change the miraheze logo in that meme to the wikipedia or wikimedia foundation logo
[01:22:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> kek]
[01:38:04] <Naleksuh>	 But Wikipedia loads fast, faster than localhost
[01:38:06] <Naleksuh>	 Miraheze is slower
[01:42:39] <dmehus>	 Wikimedia also hosts fewer wikis, on many more, and more powerful, servers. Wikimedia Foundation also more money than they know what to do with
[01:43:25] <Naleksuh>	 Not really though
[01:43:36] <Naleksuh>	 They have aggressive fundraising because they don't know how to stop spending
[01:44:10] <dmehus>	 True, their FTE growth has outpaced inflation
[01:44:59] <dmehus>	 A hiring freeze to sustain staffing at current levels could help curb that, though, and their endowment funds should sustain the current level of spending
[01:46:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> by slow i mean decision mkaing
[01:46:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> development
[01:46:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> etc
[01:47:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not site loading time
[02:18:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Ah yes mediawiki bureaucracy
[02:29:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[02:34:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blazar> Night…
[02:34:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> gn
[03:05:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> one min
[03:05:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1069453290124869723/hell.php
[03:06:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah its a mess
[03:06:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Oh lol yeah. Pastebin formatted it nicely though
[03:08:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh
[03:08:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i see
[03:08:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ur problem ig
[03:12:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> jk
[03:12:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe rhinos can fix it
[03:12:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Nah i figured it out
[03:12:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[03:12:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good work
[03:12:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> have fun
[03:12:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Lol thx
[03:12:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> np
[03:29:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> dmehus: are you back??
[03:30:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it seems so
[03:33:01] <dmehus>	 BWM: yes :)
[03:34:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> nice
[03:34:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> around a lot, or in and out?
[03:37:54] <dmehus>	 Well, been busy with real life and at work mainly
[03:38:18] <dmehus>	 but I intend to be more active every week, yes. Can't promise every day, but can promise regular weekly activity
[03:38:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> gotcha
[03:38:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> good to know
[03:39:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> dmehus: you should move to discord
[03:39:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> it’s a lot more lively imo
[03:40:13] <dmehus>	 yeah, I'm on Discord, but mainly active in DMs
[03:46:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> have fun
[03:48:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Doug> :DoneMH: **Done** 🙂
[03:48:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> yesss discord is better
[03:56:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yay
[04:01:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if i gave everyone the `noanalytics` rightw
[04:01:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> would it no longer load the analytics script at all
[04:01:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or would it load the file and not do anything
[04:02:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the reason is that i have very few editors and visitors there right now who didnt come from me just talking to people and asking them to edit
[04:02:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so i dont want to collect analytics data right now
[04:03:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if it starts ranking in search results or if i do anything to promote it besides telling people about the wiki i might consider making analytics work again
[04:09:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> this
[04:09:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[04:09:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> sad rip i see
[04:09:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It'd still load it but Matomo wouldn't publicly display the data
[04:09:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[04:11:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> is there any way to make the Special:Analytics page only be visible/usable for sysop
[04:11:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i decided to use css to break it for non-sysops but thats obviously not going to work in the long term
[04:13:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> that filename is quite fitting for the language :p
[04:13:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> indeed :D
[04:13:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh apparently 13 people visited my genshinimpact.miraheze.org wiki from search engines
[04:13:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so keeping matomo on
[04:14:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i probably should make a google account to use here soon
[04:15:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ill just use my friend's google account probably
[04:17:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, the Google search console/WikiSEO gives much more actionable data in my opinion
[04:18:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> got it
[04:18:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i will do that
[04:21:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> A good reminder I need to go back and cover the other search engines with my SEO guide
[04:21:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[04:21:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah
[04:21:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fandom has 94 domain authority according to moz but miraheze has 71
[04:21:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> however
[04:21:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats not too bad
[04:21:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if a wiki can make better content than fandom i dont think all is lost
[04:24:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Just gotta spread wiki by word of mouth for better search positioning
[04:24:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> ~~or spend a lot of money bribing google to be #1~~
[04:25:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no lmao
[04:25:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> doesnt work that way
[04:26:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Well, to a degree it can.  Organic traffic from major community hubs can be huge in shifting preferences
[04:26:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> word of mouth does
[04:26:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> bribing doesnt
[04:27:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Sure. Hence why they did strike through formatting indicating it as a joke.
[04:27:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[04:27:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Cash has its limits. 🙃
[04:29:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ik lmao
[04:31:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> I was joking, yes
[04:32:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Although I do wonder, if you paid google to make ads, they do show up above regular search results...
[04:33:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes
[04:33:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but they are marked as ads
[04:33:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and are blocked by most ad blockers
[04:33:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Right, but a surprising amount of people don't use adblockers
[04:34:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> And getting phished by an ad that links to a site that impersonates a legitimate site isn't unheard of either
[04:34:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Still baffled by that
[04:36:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> If you're barraged by ads, finding a solution seems like something one would google
[04:36:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LichMaster98> 🤣 do you use the top ad result too?
[04:41:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Interesting, no ads when searching for "adblock", but there are ads when searching for "block ads"
[04:43:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> It's an adsipiracy
[04:45:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Alright, the head cold going around the fam is claiming the next victim, I'ma call it a night too.
[04:45:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> See y'all fine Miraheze folks tomorrow
[04:49:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Doug> night, @NotAracham 🙂
[04:49:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> would it be permissible to link to https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/mika_080/?lang=EN on genshinimpact.miraheze.org
[04:49:22] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Mika | Genshin Impact Database - Honey Hunter World | genshin.honeyhunterworld.com
[04:49:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> honey hunter has had to defend themselves from DMCA takedowns by hoyoverse
[04:49:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but has succeeded so far
[04:49:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i wont include the images themselves
[04:49:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> just links
[04:55:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> the page?
[04:55:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> should be fine
[04:55:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright
[04:55:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> got it
[05:01:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pirate Captain> @Agent did you get my DM?
[05:08:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> here is what it looks like when linked: https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Mika
[05:08:46] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Mika - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org
[05:08:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ffs the description again
[05:13:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i updated it again but discord caches it
[05:13:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Mika
[05:13:32] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Mika - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org
[05:17:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ploopee> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1069486421800390656/attachment.gif
[05:20:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Out of curiosity, is the main point of contest from Hoyo that they definitively and exhaustively tear apart the numbers behind the gacha?
[05:20:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Because goddamn is that ridiculously thorough.
[05:21:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its that they post unreleased content, and hoyo does drip marketing, and they dont like leaks for that reason
[05:21:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> though i understand hoyoverse's reasoning here
[05:21:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it's very difficult to obtain in-game currency
[05:21:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Ahhh.  Okay, that one makes sense.
[05:21:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and given that theres no roadmap
[05:21:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its hard to decide when to spend/save currency
[05:21:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> which is why most people spread or look forl eak
[05:21:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you're welcome
[05:22:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, that's screwing w/ a game company's bread and butter business model, I understand their interests there.
[05:23:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[05:24:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> at the end of the day i can see both sides of it, i know why hoyoverse needs to make a profit, but its also difficult how it is without a roadmap to budget game currency and such - still though, this is getting off-topic, should probably discuss in #ID:615786602454581249
[05:24:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Agreed, thanks.
[05:25:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> does the genshin impact mira wiki on the frontpage when you search genshin impact wiki?
[05:25:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> dont think so
[05:25:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> oh
[05:25:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im not heavily focusing on SEO until i make sure most of the pages there are high quality
[05:25:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> dont need to cover everything but i am doing my best to make sure most of the pages are detailed and relevant and helpful
[05:26:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> eventually i hope it covers everything
[05:26:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but for now thats too hard to do quickly so im focusing on quality > quantity and just gradually improving existing pages
[05:26:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> ah
[05:27:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[05:27:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Currently fully below-fold, after testing a few different variants.
[05:27:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> damn theres alot of wikis on genshin
[05:28:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> surprisingly on bing though
[05:28:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it is on the first page
[05:28:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> for genshin impact wiki
[05:28:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> wasnt expecting
[05:28:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> It's a popular topic.  Interestingly, both the shoutwiki and fextralife variants make first page
[05:28:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[05:28:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> lmao people still use fextralife?
[05:28:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> mine might still make first page
[05:28:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> need to work on it
[05:28:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> more ads than fandom + an worse experience overall
[05:28:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and yeah
[05:28:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> seems so lmao
[05:29:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, they've got longevity on their side.  Getting more content built and a sitemap submitted via GSC will start to make a dent
[05:29:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> its just an way for the owners to get their twitch viewers up
[05:30:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, Fextralife is an interesting proposition, they've got a lot of horizontal integration as a business.  Seems like Wiki.gg is positioning themselves as a successor model.
[05:30:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1069489779743400016/image.png
[05:31:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> indeed
[05:31:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> wiki.gg has a good model + less ads than fextralife
[05:32:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[05:33:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Fextralife is an interesting platform
[05:33:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's definitely not intuitive
[05:33:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Also running a VERY homebrew version of mediawiki
[05:38:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea lmao
[05:39:50] <Naleksuh>	 Looks like Gamepedia before it got fucked up by Fandumb
[05:40:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Not wrong
[05:40:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Serious wikia/gamepedia vibes.  I'd be super curious exactly which version they forked from.
[05:41:41] <Naleksuh>	 Which version of what?
[05:41:59] <Naleksuh>	 It's MediaWiki 1.39, but there's nothing to fork on for Wikia because most of their stuff was closed-soure
[05:42:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> check github.com/Wikia
[05:42:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> a small group of ucp extensions and almost all pre-ucp extensions are open source
[05:43:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> though they're very difficult to port and use for something else
[05:43:04] <dmehus>	 @Lakelimbo told me about the BookStack wiki software quite awhile back. I haven't installed it or anything yet, but certainly I like what I see in terms of features and permission set, usability, and resource usage/load times
[05:43:18] <dmehus>	 Definitely a solid MediaWiki alternative
[05:43:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Oh, to clarify: Fextralife's mediawiki fork.  It's mediawiki-adjacent but definitely not bog-standard, it has a mess of unique hooks that don't seem like they'd play well with any other implementation
[05:43:53] <dmehus>	 @NotAracham: I guess you didn't make it to bed yet? :p
[05:44:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I am not unlike an overtired baby.  I cannot help but party on
[05:44:27] <dmehus>	 heh
[05:44:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> just looked up bookstack
[05:44:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea thats pretty cool
[05:44:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> The head cold might get to me in the end though
[05:45:07] <dmehus>	 Ouch...yeah I'm finally getting over a cold that's dragged on for over a week
[05:45:14] <Naleksuh>	 @Colleiflower Yes but you just can't just make Wikia with it
[05:45:24] <Naleksuh>	 Only a bunch of dumb extensions 
[05:45:31] <Naleksuh>	 And not even all the extensions much less all of Wikia's other stuff
[05:45:36] <Naleksuh>	 Oh, and the extensions are for 1.19
[05:46:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Larsenticus> i did find a bug on miraheze
[05:46:08] <dmehus>	 Naleksuh, is that in response to Colleiflower's comment on BookStack or Fextralife?
[05:46:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Larsenticus> the theme wont stick if i try to keep it dark mode
[05:46:34] * dmehus guesses the latter since you referenced 1.19, which is likely the old MediaWiki version
[05:47:10] <Naleksuh>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> check github.com/Wikia
[05:47:10] <Naleksuh>	 9:42:44 PM [discord] <Colleiflower> a small group of ucp extensions and almost all pre-ucp extensions are open source
[05:47:10] <Naleksuh>	 9:43:01 PM [discord] <Colleiflower> though they're very difficult to port and use for something else\
[05:47:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea you obviously cant make wikia with it
[05:47:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but you can make some of their features
[05:47:40] <Naleksuh>	 @Larsenticus I think that's a local storage issue. Does it stick for you here? test.miraheze.org
[05:48:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Eh, some of their extensions are very specific to them
[05:48:05] <dmehus>	 Naleksuh: oh ok, looking
[05:48:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Can't do much with them
[05:48:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Larsenticus> nope
[05:49:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Larsenticus> found it out being on polandballwiki
[05:51:00] <Naleksuh>	 I had that issue with it not sticking once before but now it does stick
[05:51:03] <Naleksuh>	 Might be a browser thing
[05:51:09] <Naleksuh>	 Regardless, dark mode is dumb and stupid and pointless
[05:51:23] <Naleksuh>	 Tell that to me 2.5 years ago I would freak out. I used to use it everywhere
[05:51:27] <Naleksuh>	 Now I don't use it anywhere
[05:52:23] <dmehus>	 lol yeah I'm surprised to hear you say dark mode is dumb
[05:53:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i use dark mode when im up at midnight sometimes
[05:53:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> This one's actually an accessibility issue for me, bright stuff tends to cause migraines pretty quick with long exposure.
[05:53:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[05:53:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Thankfully a lot of this is now baked into OS.
[05:54:32] <Naleksuh>	 dmehus : Well even if I haven't changed my mind much I did about that one thing
[05:54:34] <Naleksuh>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User:Naleksuh/global.css&action=history
[05:54:45] <Naleksuh>	 From May 23 2020 to September 9 2021 I used it apparently
[06:03:11] <dmehus>	 ah, yeah
[06:04:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> "dark mode is dumb and stupid and pointless" My phone has an AMOLED screen and I don't like to have to charge it throughout the day, so dark mode is a win win personally 😛
[06:04:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> dark mode is a good thing, but the extension we have for it is rather poor
[06:04:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> pretty messed up
[06:05:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I'm setting up everything to dark lol
[06:06:13] <Naleksuh>	 Just add the code to your global.css
[06:07:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> It's better to not have a dark mode at all if you're going to do dark mode poorly
[06:08:09] <Naleksuh>	 Have you tried out my party mode yet?
[06:08:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Heh, I did to enliven my friday.
[06:08:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> not yet but I might :p
[06:08:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> need to find a wiki with the toggle though
[06:09:10] <Naleksuh>	 Meta has it, Test also has it
[06:09:18] <Naleksuh>	 Just open Meta and type in your browser console: `setInterval(function(){document.getElementsByClassName("ext-darkmode-link")[0].click();}, 500);`
[06:09:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Definitely
[06:10:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The extension is garbage
[06:10:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> No offense to the dev, I'm sure they tried their best
[06:10:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Heh party mode is pretty fun
[06:10:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but MW should have a native dark mode feature
[06:11:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> For sure.  If/when I finally get back up to a point where I feel fully comfortable w/ the requisite languages I might take my own stab at it.
[06:11:43] <Naleksuh>	 The dev is in this channel
[06:11:51] <Naleksuh>	 musikanimal : Agent HATES YOUR EXTENSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:12:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> :waaa:
[06:12:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Well you need to consciously pick your colors for a good implementation of dark mode, which definitely won't happen with a plain css filter... sooo yeah
[06:12:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Well that's a whole mood. 🙃
[06:12:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Honestly, it's not even his fault
[06:13:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> The dark mode extension is skin agnostic right?
[06:13:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, I was doing some mental algebra (won't even call it mental calculus) on how you could best manage that with a mix of color theory + sensible percentage offsets.
[06:13:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It is
[06:13:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> because all it does it invert everything
[06:14:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but the main issue is that it also inverts images which sucks sometimes
[06:14:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> wait musicanimal made it?
[06:14:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> that's the biggest drawback of it
[06:14:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and the only reason I don't like it \:P
[06:14:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but that's a limitation of MW and CSS
[06:14:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> so not much can be done
[06:14:41] <Naleksuh>	 If you use party mode, the images show right 50% of the time
[06:14:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but an extension shouldn't be needed, MW should have a built in dark mode
[06:14:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> my wiki is dark by default and when dark mode makes it light, the tables and infoboxes remain dark loo
[06:15:02] <Naleksuh>	 There is Skin:VectorDark
[06:15:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Well if it's skin agnostic good luck making every skin look nice lol
[06:15:35] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah, I see no need for built in dark mode at all
[06:15:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> 100% should be part of MW, especially w/ all their talks about accessibility and mobile etc
[06:15:45] <Naleksuh>	 Especially because MediaWiki has such a retro approach being a 2003 software
[06:15:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> * already
[06:15:59] <Naleksuh>	 Dark mode isn't about accessibility, though. That's more about low vision and blind users
[06:15:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It'd be nice for users who want it
[06:16:04] <Naleksuh>	 Dark mode just helps lazy people be lazier
[06:16:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> you can say the same about search, shortcuts, buttons, etc
[06:16:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Who needs the edit tab, just navigate to ?action=edit
[06:16:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> I prefer to not be blinded at night lol
[06:17:11] <Naleksuh>	 That's different
[06:17:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Bake in a secret chex quest embed and you're right in the era
[06:17:25] <dmehus>	 What helps lazy developers be lazy is requiring desktop users to download an app to use a website
[06:17:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> idk man, I never liked light backgrounds on screen, it's much easier for my eyes to read on dark or at least warm colored background
[06:17:47] <Naleksuh>	 @dmehus Actually it's kind of the opposite because most apps are just a browser
[06:17:49] <dmehus>	 rather than code a web version of a website and have a separate mobile app
[06:17:52] <Naleksuh>	 Like for example Discord
[06:18:17] <dmehus>	 But at least Discord still has a web-based version
[06:18:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Oh, Discord desktop/mobile app: I have some words for that and few are positive
[06:18:33] <Naleksuh>	 Oh, Discord: I have some words for that and few are positive
[06:18:48] <Naleksuh>	 dmehus : Discord *only* has a web based version. The app is just a web browser
[06:19:07] <dmehus>	 I'm thinking more along the lines of, say, a prepaid credit card not building a web-based online banking interface and mandating you download an app
[06:19:30] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah that's being asshole but not because they're lazy
[06:19:34] <Naleksuh>	 Because they want you to have the app
[06:19:34] <dmehus>	 Naleksuh, true. But they did it the right way; they coded it for the web first, then ported the website into an app
[06:19:37] <Naleksuh>	 Either so they can spy or build loyalty
[06:19:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> The app versions also have significant sync issues and abnormal behavior compared to the web client, it' s not *just* a web port.
[06:19:54] <Naleksuh>	 They didn't "port the website into an app" though. The app is just a web browser that goes to the site
[06:19:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> The desktop application does have some additional features, no? At least that's what it says when loading up discord in the browser
[06:20:11] <Naleksuh>	 Specifically it uses Elctron
[06:20:11] <dmehus>	 > Yeah that's being asshole but not because they're lazy
[06:20:11] <dmehus>	 okay, fair point
[06:20:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> time to run party mode
[06:20:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> sounds like a good idea
[06:20:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Do it!
[06:20:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yay
[06:20:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i did
[06:20:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its fun
[06:20:59] <Naleksuh>	 Should I add party mode too common.js
[06:21:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'll put it in Meta's Common.js on April Fools Day
[06:21:07] <Naleksuh>	 Lol
[06:21:09] <dmehus>	 > The app versions also have significant sync issues and abnormal behavior compared to the web client, it' s not *just* a web port.
[06:21:09] <dmehus>	 NotAracham: true. The app version is also bloated and a resource hog on older hardware. *cue jokes from Agent about my old PC*
[06:21:13] <Naleksuh>	 Agent did you come up with the same thing to say as me
[06:21:14] <Naleksuh>	 Lol
[06:21:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> yeah lol
[06:21:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That is an appropriate use of party mode
[06:21:41] <Naleksuh>	 The thing is though the "april fools day" actually makes you sound semi-serious
[06:21:45] <Naleksuh>	 You aren't actually adding it are you?
[06:21:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> It's the pleasant kind of joke that everyone will (hopefully) enjoy
[06:21:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> So far the only good implementation of electron I've seen is vscode
[06:21:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> imagine everyone with photosensitive epilepsy visiting on april fools day
[06:22:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, that -- not so god/
[06:22:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao yea
[06:22:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> *good.  JFC mobile autocorrect
[06:22:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> dw i could tell what you meant lmao
[06:22:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> The overtired baby is running out of steam, evidently
[06:23:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[06:23:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> 😎
[06:23:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmfaoo
[06:24:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> dmehus: now's the perfect time to upgrade your PC!
[06:24:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> honestly, I'll even build you one
[06:24:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> lol
[06:24:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Certainly better than the last few years, memory and GPU prices are almost reasonable again.  
[06:24:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> ...though this is quickly veering into off-topic if we weren't already there.
[06:25:01] <Naleksuh>	 Grrr
[06:25:16] <Naleksuh>	 Man I used to be able to talk whatever I wanted here until it got bridged onto the discord
[06:25:36] <Naleksuh>	 Let's just keep irc for cool people
[06:25:46] <Naleksuh>	 Such as myself
[06:26:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Uhhh.  today I learned I can reorganize channel sequences within a category by click-dragging in discord
[06:26:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> And I've been using it since 2016
[06:27:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i cant believe you didnt know that
[06:27:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Well, it's just that the rules weren't always applied
[06:28:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Just sick brain, getting real experimental with the interface.  Never thought to try before now, despite the other weird hacks I've made discord do.
[06:28:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao i see
[06:28:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @naleksuh: it's still possible to talk about random things in the off topic chat
[06:28:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> people often come to the discord asking for help or wanting to know the answer to a question
[06:29:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A nice amount of people use us as a MediaWiki help desk
[06:30:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Perhaps a bit at (and above) reasonable expectations at times.
[06:31:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> indeed
[06:31:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> To be fair mediawiki is not very user friendly
[06:31:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[06:32:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> a lot of our interface is designed thinking people know how mediawiki works
[06:32:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's designed with Wikimedia in mind and all the others in second place
[06:32:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[06:33:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the reason we get people explaining they deleted their bureaucrat and sysop group because they didnt know what they do is because they just arent experts in this kind of stuff
[06:33:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> nothing tells them what happens when they untick or delete everything
[06:33:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you cant expect them to automatically learn it
[06:34:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> A big part of the reason I really want to get my new admin guide further along + hopefully a notice or technical roadblock goes into effect
[06:34:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[06:34:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> There's just not enough common-sense docs or notices of 'hey, deleting or messing with default roles is a really bad idea'
[06:35:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Once you know what you're doing, sure.  But MH is the deep-end of wiki mgmt, just before the great ocean that is self-hosting.
[06:36:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That reminds me, we should really prohibit that
[06:36:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> as 2 more users have deleted the group in the past week
[06:36:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> and are locked out of their wiki
[06:37:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> One especially ambitious user deleted literally every role.
[06:37:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I want to push out my ManageWiki patch which fixes Special:ManageWikiDefaultPermissions on non-Meta wikis and lets Stewards easily restore permissions with the click of a button
[06:37:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> which is why I've been holding off on some of those requests
[06:38:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> The more I hear about it the more it seems like mw has no guardrails
[06:38:36] <RhinosF1>	 It doesn’t
[06:39:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> This is both the beauty and extreme danger of a platform that essentially runs vanilla mediawiki.  You can do a crazy amount and also implode your wiki in the span of the same day.
[06:40:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I didn't realize it but you can actually delete the `(everyone)` and `Users` group
[06:40:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> lol
[06:40:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> both are hardcoded into MediaWiki at least so ManageWiki "deleting" them doesn't break things or else everything would implode and the db would probably need a good reset
[06:40:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> *contorts themselves into the flattest and widest of 'why' faces.*
[06:41:35] <RhinosF1>	 You do not need a day to implode mediawiki
[06:41:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> yeah, that extremely shouldn't be possible, I'm glad it's hardcoded to prevent a cascading failure at least.
[06:42:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Oh for sure, implosion speedrunning could and shouldn't be a sport.
[06:42:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Anyway, I must get up
[06:43:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> what happens if i do this on a private wiki
[06:43:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> (im just curious)
[06:44:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You'll lose the ability to do even some basic things like edit your own user settings, your watchlist, etc.
[06:44:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Losing the ability to edit your own user settings is wild
[06:44:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but it's possible
[06:44:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> I thought we blacklisted that
[06:45:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> A genius already did that
[06:45:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Someone on the SN suggested that you delete the * group and they showed the ManageWiki prompt where they did that
[06:45:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> let me test it
[06:45:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> so I'm guessing it's not blacklisted
[06:45:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Please don't.
[06:45:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ok fine
[06:45:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> rip
[06:45:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i wish i could
[06:45:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> not until my ManageWiki patch is out \:P
[06:45:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, I told the user not to
[06:45:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> aw man
[06:46:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's frightening that you can do that though
[06:46:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> I don’t think it’ll remove edituseroptions or whatever it’s called
[06:46:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It shouldn’t
[06:46:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> *Ooopsed my way into borking 900 extensions*
[06:46:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> If it does, blame me
[06:47:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you cant assign edituseroptions to non-existent groups :D
[06:47:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Interesting
[06:48:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> Is MH moving away from MirahezeFunctions towards WikiInitialise?
[06:48:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> maybe I'll make a ManageWiki patch to prevent being able to delete essential groups
[06:48:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> I thought that was what MH used prior to MHFunctions?
[06:49:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's a concept but it seems that a new WikiInitalise will be made, one that contours to our setup well just like MirahezeFunctions did
[06:49:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> Ahh I see.
[06:50:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> This would be lovely.  Each instance makes me sad and I don't think a fun new admin guide will fix it.
[06:51:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Alright, hitting upper limits for real.  Time to listen to spooky podcast radio plays and lull myself to sleep.
[06:52:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I should get going to, I need to wake up in 2 hours
[06:52:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> night
[07:08:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sleep well
[07:26:36] <dmehus>	 Agent: yeah :)
[07:26:56] <dmehus>	 NotAracham: yeah...chip prices have really come down
[09:05:22] <MirahezeBot>	 Hello Guest94! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon.
[09:06:07] <Guest94>	 hi
[09:11:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> yo
[10:45:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Yeah guides will NEVER fix anything completely. They at best stem the worst of the tide, but there will still be some ripples left
[13:29:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <OatCookies> Goodnight!
[15:26:27] <MirahezeBot>	 https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10394 - Fix broken templatelinks migration on wikis, authored by Universal_Omega, assigned to None, Priority: High, Status: Open
[15:26:28] <MirahezeBot>	 https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10117 - db121 frequently OOMs, authored by Reception123, assigned to None, Priority: High, Status: Open
[15:26:29] <MirahezeBot>	 https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T9552 - Cargo data is not storing on specific pages, authored by MusikAnimal, assigned to Universal_Omega, Priority: High, Status: Open
[16:03:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @NotAracham oh yeah https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/29551#mw-section-comments
[16:03:24] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[16:03:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> is his clarification good
[16:21:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> yes please
[16:25:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> does that mean i have to delete all the groups on my private wiki right now before you patch it
[16:30:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Your wiki will become unusable if you do that and create work for stewards. Please don't.
[16:31:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's happened dozens of times but no one's patched it lol
[16:36:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright i wont srry
[16:36:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao ok
[17:30:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> is it possible to set special pages to noindex,nofollow
[17:30:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> nvm it already does that by default
[17:55:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Possible to remove edit history for a page?
[17:57:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes but thats not a good idea
[17:57:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if you have creative commons licensing it will require people attribute your page but thats difficult when you dont have attribution history
[17:58:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> therefore if someone just plagiarizes your entire site without credit you cant really make a DMCA complaint because you dont have proper attribution information available
[18:05:21] <Naleksuh>	 No
[18:05:24] <Naleksuh>	 People can still attribute the page
[18:10:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes but they cant attribute the editors
[18:21:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> but can admins block public edition or block the edition history view  for an article?
[18:21:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> unsure
[18:23:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You can RevisionDelete certain revisions
[18:23:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[18:24:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i thought they wanted it so that there was no record visible of any revision even existing there
[18:24:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That's not possible
[18:24:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The most you can do is an oversight
[18:24:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> which only Stewards can do but all it does is suppress it so even admins can't see it
[18:25:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[19:26:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> hello
[19:26:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> I want to rename 88 files and they categories
[19:27:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> how can I do the rename of files? I think categories should be possible with MassEditRegex
[19:29:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> maybe I could rename by hand
[19:30:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> I renamed 20 in other things, so maybe 88 is not so much
[19:36:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> is not doing what I want
[19:36:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1069702559989764287/image.png
[19:36:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> I want:
[19:36:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> [[Categoría:Ms. 100 Bestiario de Northumberland]] - > [[Categoría:J. Paul Getty Museum Ms. 100]]
[19:36:47] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Categor%c3%ada:Ms._100_Bestiario_de_Northumberland https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Categor%c3%ada:J._Paul_Getty_Museum_Ms._100
[19:36:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> 
[19:36:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> but the replace is random
[19:36:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Categoría:Ms._100_Bestiario_de_Northumberland?action=edit&redlink=1>
[19:36:51] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Creating Categoría:Ms. 100 Bestiario de Northumberland - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[19:36:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Categoría:J._Paul_Getty_Museum_Ms._100?action=edit&redlink=1>
[19:36:52] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Creating Categoría:J. Paul Getty Museum Ms. 100 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[19:36:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1069702768647999588/image.png
[19:38:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> 😩  i hate so much regex
[19:40:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> shouldn't be a way easier to do this? I want just to replace A -> B
[19:43:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> there is something wrong with the regex patern of search.
[19:43:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> 
[19:43:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> I tried with /A/ like I have been told and with the example /A (.*)\n/
[19:45:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> let see what Chatgpt says
[19:48:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> not useful, chatgpt things like I do... but that doesn't work
[19:50:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> ok, I will do manually
[19:53:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Another route would be the AutoWikiBrowser tool, but suspect even fewer people know how to use that well
[19:54:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> More details: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Using_AutoWikiBrowser
[19:54:18] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Help:Using AutoWikiBrowser | Community Central | Fandom | community.fandom.com
[19:57:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> If you want a straight string replacement I doubt you’ll need regex unless the tool absolutely requires it
[19:57:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> The challenge is that replacetext is offline indefinitely, the suggested replacement is the MassEditRegex extension
[19:58:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> So you’ll have to use regex to select?
[19:58:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Mhmm
[19:59:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> It's not ideal in the slightest, but for whatever reason ReplaceText doesn't place nice with archive compression, which is a necessity to enable
[20:00:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Oh okay well in that case [, ], . are special characters in regex so you cannot just use them without escaping
[20:02:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> You’ll need to fix your regex to escape a few characters
[20:02:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> I personally use https://regex101.com/ to test out if the expression is doing what I want it to
[20:02:29] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] regex101: build, test, and debug regex | regex101.com
[20:04:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> at the end I did manually
[20:05:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> what would be the pattern for another casE?
[20:06:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> \[\[Categoría\:Ms\. 100 Bestiario de Northumberland\]\]
[20:06:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> [\[\Categoría\:J\. Paul Getty Museum Ms\. 100\]\] ??
[20:06:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> I can't post it here, removes the \
[20:07:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> You can use backticks like ``words`` to mark something as code and make it not disappear
[20:07:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Ugh, sorry, this character `
[20:07:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> three of them lets you make multi-line code blocks
[20:08:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> https://pastebin.com/raw/6zMASVVh =
[20:08:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> thanks
[20:09:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jakeukalane> I know about this site but I haven't found the way to use it to know the expression I needed
[20:29:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> I think that would work, just remember the forward slash at the start and end
[20:31:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RebeccaBunch> I'm getting this error too, in trying to edit using Pywikibot on the command line. ```WARNING: API error internal_api_error_DBQueryError: [591822faa9ebcda69b8e03dc] Caught exception of type Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError
[20:31:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RebeccaBunch> ERROR: Detected MediaWiki API exception internal_api_error_DBQueryError: [591822faa9ebcda69b8e03dc] Caught exception of type Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError
[20:31:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RebeccaBunch> [errorclass: Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError;
[20:31:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RebeccaBunch>  servedby: mw141];```
[20:31:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> If youre just replacing an exact text match, all you need to know is which characters to escape (put a backslash before). Theres a list of those characters here: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex_Guide
[20:31:49] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex Guide - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[20:32:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheGhostOfInky> I was using pywikibot too, seems to be something server-sided, miraheze staff got it fixed
[20:34:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RebeccaBunch> oh cool! was that on your individual wiki?
[20:35:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheGhostOfInky> Yep, I found some people with the same error before who also had it fixed by staff, makes sense since different wikis are on different databases.
[21:03:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> hello! I want to add my domain to google search console but it requires editing DNS settings...
[21:03:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1069724553187696700/image.png
[21:03:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> i appreciate the domain being set up though ^_^ how exciting
[21:06:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It doesn’t require it
[21:06:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> You can use the prefix options
[21:06:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> They're using a custom domain, not the subdomain
[21:06:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Rather than domain
[21:06:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> We can add it though if it’s easier for custom domains
[21:07:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> i think its better for custom domains if you dont mind
[21:07:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> You’ll have to send the code somewhere
[21:07:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It’s public so anywhere will do
[21:08:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Now that I'm thinking about it, the original subdomain option + verification meta tag should still work , it'll just have a redirect involved which isn't great for the crawler bots
[21:08:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Either file a phab task or open a pr on the dns repo
[21:08:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It still works fine and is quicker for users
[21:08:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> ive never used the dns repo
[21:09:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> should i just do a phab task? is it uhh... is it ok to post the key publicly though?
[21:09:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Yep
[21:09:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It’s a dns record so it’s public anyway
[21:09:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> oh okay
[21:09:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Thanks for clarifying, hadn't fully thought it through.  Sick brain is not my friend today.
[21:11:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> okay i created the task
[21:11:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> i tagged it DNS
[21:12:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> thank you for the guidance ^_^
[21:13:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Np
[21:35:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> what's happening here?
[21:35:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1069732545551421480/image.png
[21:39:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> how do I add multiple images in me of each tabs on my Soul Calibur Wiki? my tabs code look like this- <tabs>
[21:39:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">[[|left|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:39:44] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:39:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">[[|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:39:45] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:39:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">[[|left|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:39:47] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:39:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> </tabs>
[21:40:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tabs>
[21:40:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">[[|left|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:40:04] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:40:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">[[|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:40:05] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:40:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">[[|left|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:40:06] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:40:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> </tabs>
[21:42:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> it should like this?
[21:42:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tabs>
[21:42:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">
[21:42:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> Line 1 [[|left|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:42:37] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:42:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">
[21:42:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> Line 2 [[|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:42:40] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:42:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> <tab name="">
[21:42:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> :ine 3 [[|left|thumb|800px]]</tab>
[21:42:42] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/
[21:42:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> </tabs>
[21:50:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> A redesign that ain’t great (feedback to @Agent)
[21:50:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> ye, color will be changed
[21:50:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> soon™️
[21:51:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Original Authority> I like it, but I don't feel it fits with the colour scheme for MH.
[21:51:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The entire color scheme is being redone
[21:51:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> All the noticeboard headers have been overhauled
[21:53:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> @Agent https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1069734397630230569
[21:53:08] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Discord | discord.com
[21:53:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> That's it! I now hate Miraheze!
[21:54:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Very sorry to hear
[21:54:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Press the 3 dots and then click leave server if you don’t wish to be part of us
[21:54:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> If you’d like to stay, give our code of conduct a read 🙂
[21:55:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I didn't have success with TabberNeue and infoboxes, but was able to solve this in PortableInfobox with the use of Sections.
[21:56:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Example template:
[21:56:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> https://farthestfrontier.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Building2_Portable
[21:56:10] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Template:Infobox Building2 Portable - Farthest Frontier | farthestfrontier.miraheze.org
[21:56:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Same
[21:56:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> so glad I don't use it
[22:37:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea same
[22:37:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmfao
[22:38:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> mood
[22:38:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dusty> who uses miraheze lol
[22:39:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> anyway i like how the redesign is going so far
[22:39:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> just dont completely change everything ig
[22:39:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> question
[22:39:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> is it possible to rename a wiki or would i have to close my current wiki and make another one?
[22:39:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> i made a wiki for a game series i'm making but now i want to extend it to all of my projects
[22:39:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i am fairly sure its possible
[22:39:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but
[22:39:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that being said
[22:40:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i dont think you're able to change a wiki on one topic into an entirely different topic
[22:40:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> according to the content policy
[22:40:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> makes sense
[22:40:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> may wish to ask a steward or someone similar for a final verdict on that though
[22:40:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> 👍
[22:40:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> i assume that would be done in the support thread
[22:41:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea i think so
[22:44:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Approval for changes in scope can be done via the [[Stewards' Noticeboard]] on meta
[22:44:11] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_Noticeboard
[22:44:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards'_Noticeboard>
[22:44:14] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Stewards' noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[22:44:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Should be reasonable with that you've outlined
[22:45:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> would that be under `Restricted setting change requests`?
[22:50:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> probably
[22:50:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not sure
[22:50:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> unless someone says otherwise theres no harm in putting it there as it may need to get moved later
[23:06:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A scope change would go in the miscellaneous section
[23:07:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The goal is to change everything actually
[23:07:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> heh
[23:07:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> aw man
[23:07:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> will the logo change
[23:07:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We've had the same main page for nearly a decade so that was my biggest goal
[23:07:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> no, that's iconic
[23:07:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright good
[23:07:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> also I'm horrible at graphic design
[23:07:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[23:09:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> ah
[23:09:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> already submitted it but i'll move it
[23:09:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> alright
[23:10:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> I mean it is the ICON afterall 😉
[23:11:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmaoo
[23:11:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good pun
[23:12:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> alright, moved my request to miscellaneous
[23:15:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> @videohouse scope change means changing the topic of your wiki, not the subdomain (the part before the .miraheze.org). That has to be requested on [[Phabricator]] after Stewards approve your wiki topic change
[23:15:36] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phabricator
[23:15:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phabricator>
[23:15:38] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Phabricator - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[23:16:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> ah, alright
[23:16:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <videohouse> thanks for the help
[23:25:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BeauFour> is uploadwizard working well again? last time i tried it wasn't