[00:26:42] what do you discuss? [01:15:20] [discord] miraheze stuff [01:35:20] [discord] theres also an offtopic channel [01:35:22] [discord] for [01:35:23] [discord] random stuff [01:35:43] [discord] like how i tried to get chatgpt to write genshin impact shipping fanfics but it doesnt understand how genshin impact works so it made weird nonsense [02:51:37] What happened to the main page?????? [02:55:08] [discord] Agent's testing out some changes [03:02:02] testing them out on the main page? [03:16:57] [discord] yes [03:17:00] [discord] i do that all the time [03:17:08] [discord] anyway apparently theres a redesig [03:17:13] [discord] *redesign [03:17:18] [discord] but not the logo [03:17:49] [discord] other stuff stays normal [03:18:07] [discord] wait no other stuff besides the logo etc is probably going to chage [03:18:18] [discord] just use party mode to make it less noticeable [03:18:38] The "redesign" is not great [03:18:42] I think the best part is blue on blue [03:18:43] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3rRTfWqW/image.png [03:21:16] [discord] Yeah, the color will be changed [03:21:23] [discord] I just didn't really know what color to put for the header [03:23:41] Has anyone other than you agree to change the color? [03:23:50] The main page is not the place for BOLD.... [03:26:43] [discord] from what i can tell probably [03:26:49] [discord] notaracham went with it [03:27:01] [discord] also the main page is absolutely the place for bold [03:27:05] [discord] i did it on genshin impact wiki [03:27:14] [discord] i experimented on the main page for around half an hour trying to fix mobile compatibility [03:27:16] Never heard of that [03:27:19] [discord] and the wiki is going *great* 😎 [03:27:24] [discord] https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org [03:27:26] [url] Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org [03:27:30] [discord] im sure you havent because you live under a rock [03:27:44] [discord] you'd be instantly scared away from genshin impact once you learn it has kernel-level anticheat and telemetry [03:27:57] [discord] (i blocked the telemetry urls with /etc/hosts) [03:30:51] I meant your wiki, though I also meant the subject [03:31:06] [discord] oh [03:31:07] And yes, I wouldn't use that, but I bet it doesn't run on Linux anyway. Most stuff like that is only designed for Windows [03:31:07] [discord] makes sense [03:31:22] Though, how would you know that? I don't think I've told you much about my software preferences [03:32:11] [discord] i can infer it from your freedom software takl [03:32:14] [discord] *talk [03:33:00] [discord] also it technically doesnt run on linux because they say VMs break it and its distributed for windows + android + ios + playstation (they intentionally make it break in VMs) but its possible to either make a VM and modify it slightly or use lutris [03:33:03] I never gave a "freedom software talk" did I? [03:33:15] [discord] what you said about discord and about the freedoms of irc convinced me [03:33:29] That wasn't about free software, that was just about Discord being pricks [03:33:42] [discord] most people who say that sound like gnu/linux people [03:33:45] [discord] anyway this is probably off-topic [03:35:19] Let's un-bridge this channel [03:35:45] [discord] mod team said no so no [03:36:29] [discord] rip [03:36:45] [discord] maybe there should be a miraheze matrix [03:36:54] [discord] i have an account on the matrix.org homeserver [03:37:14] [discord] ~~also name it "Miraheze Identifiers" with a description based on something andyyeung wrote~~ [03:37:44] [discord] Collei confirmed Andy sock [03:37:48] [discord] lmao [03:37:50] [discord] hard disagree [03:37:53] [discord] i know about andy from uncyclopedia [03:38:00] [discord] oh really? [03:38:02] [discord] yea [03:38:05] [discord] he has a big group of socks there [03:38:32] [discord] and he used the same IP addresses to vandalize wikipedia [03:38:52] [discord] he seems to have some fandom accounts too [03:46:06] [discord] Not correct, I did not agree on mainpage changes. we were discussing alternative color schemes outside of general chat. [03:46:16] [discord] oh [03:46:17] [discord] my bad [03:46:41] [discord] No worries. I do agree main needs a refresh, it'll just need a bit more before it's ready for primetime [03:46:46] [discord] makes sense [03:46:54] [discord] the changes are probably alright though consensus shouldve been obtained first [03:47:50] [discord] only thing that's been highlighted is the top header as an issue [03:48:09] [discord] also NotAracham highlighted that there should be a bit of padding above the language selector [03:48:21] [discord] anyone is free to suggest a hex code [03:49:05] [discord] Overall restructure is fine, but definitely needs some extra work on colors. I'll do some fiddling and come up w/ some suggestions, as Naleksuh is right that blue-on-blue is a problem. 🙂 [03:49:24] @Agent Which "mod team"? [03:49:36] [discord] the discord one [03:49:54] [discord] The Discord mod team is also partially the IRC one too [03:49:55] [discord] `@Moderators` [03:49:57] Ah, so Discord gets to control what IRC has to say [03:50:02] Let's +q mhbridgebot [03:50:10] [discord] +q? [03:50:19] [discord] that mutes a user [03:50:23] [discord] ah [03:50:29] It mutes a user on Libera only [03:50:35] On every other network, it gives owner permissions [03:50:38] [discord] yeah no, i'm not in support of that [03:50:45] [discord] hah [03:51:02] [discord] they should bring +q and +a to libera [03:51:08] [discord] and install inspircd while they're at it [03:51:14] [discord] make it Freenode 3.0 [03:51:35] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9DdysKYg/image.png [03:51:38] [discord] > [irc] Ah, so Discord gets to control what IRC has to say [03:51:39] [discord] i thought that the IRC mod team was always the same as/mostly the same as the discord mod team [03:51:47] [discord] good work [03:51:54] [discord] for the most part, yeah [03:51:57] [discord] for the most part that's correct [03:51:59] First of all, they are called "chanops" and not "mod team" [03:52:04] [discord] except that discord mods can be elected [03:52:18] [discord] hmm [03:52:23] And yes, if both Discord and IRC collectively agreed that would be one thing. But as it stands, Discord is trying to run the IRC channel and severely overstepping it [03:52:33] [discord] and irc ops are all volunteers with advanced perms on MH (gsys, steward, sre) [03:52:34] Really dumb that IRC has to abide by Discord's rules because Discord says so [03:52:42] [discord] it's one volunteer group [03:52:43] [discord] like which rule? [03:52:43] No, just Stewards and SRE [03:53:13] [discord] it's irrelevant [03:53:32] [discord] > [irc] And yes, if both Discord and IRC collectively agreed that would be one thing. But as it stands, Discord is trying to run the IRC channel and severely overstepping it [03:53:33] [discord] maybe we could put the irc bridge back into a different channel [03:53:37] [discord] people come here for help more than they do irc [03:53:39] [discord] idrk [03:53:47] How would you know? You aren't on IRC [03:53:55] [discord] i see the bridged messages [03:54:25] [discord] #miraheze-relay-archived is very indicative of the old channel [03:54:30] [discord] this was decided against because of redundancy [03:54:33] [discord] I think I'm the only one of the discord mod team who isn't an IRC chanop aside from the MH meetings channel. [03:54:45] [discord] yea [03:54:47] Why are you a chanop on the meetings channel? [03:54:48] [discord] i believe so [03:54:57] [discord] so he can run meetings [03:55:04] And why do they need to be doing that? [03:55:13] [discord] because they're a discord mod [03:55:14] [discord] > [irc] Why are you a chanop on the meetings channel? [03:55:14] [discord] they have access to #the-cabal here on discord according to the discord api [03:55:19] [discord] Because I've volunteered to be a backup when Agent isn't available [03:55:20] [discord] despite being a wiki creator [03:55:24] [discord] instead of steward [03:55:34] [discord] i believe that they are more involved than most wiki creators [03:55:43] [discord] thats just a theory [03:55:46] [discord] Collei, I can talk for myself, please and thank you. 🙂 [03:55:49] [discord] we've been exposed \:P [03:55:52] [discord] oh makes sense [03:55:52] [discord] sorry [03:56:59] I don't really think anyone uses the meetings [03:57:05] But still basically dmehus 2.0 [03:57:14] [discord] There have been a few instances where folks weren't around or available to start meetings, there was an ask for volunteers that were already involved in the community so I volunteered. [03:57:15] [discord] [03:57:17] [discord] As a matter of due diligence to make sure I wasn't a user overextending my rights, I went through the elections process for discord moderator to ensure I was fully empowered to do so without overrreaching. [03:57:24] [discord] This is not appropriate [03:57:25] [discord] Had that vote failed, I would not be acting as backup. [03:57:39] [discord] @BWM note that replies do not relay onto irc [03:57:43] [discord] one of the reason to bring irc here was that irc relay chat was missing important stuff from discord only general tho [03:57:50] [discord] the content does but the fact they are replies/the message they are in reply to doesnt relay [03:58:18] [discord] Also, I'd ask that you quit it with that comparison. I understand you have concerns about how privileges are given and when, but continued comparisons are an erosion of community trust in a volunteer acting in good faith. Even if that isn't your intent. [03:58:18] [discord] I don't want to assume what you're saying there Naleksuh but based off your previous expressed opinions of Naleksuh, I'm aware it's not a good thing coming from you. [03:58:25] [discord] also no, meetings are used pretty well [03:58:46] [discord] I would also remind Naleksuh of the [[MSCoC]], in addition to the [[VCP]] [03:58:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MSCoC https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/VCP [03:58:47] [discord] [03:58:48] [url] Miraheze Spaces Code of Conduct - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [03:58:48] [discord] [03:58:49] [url] Volunteer Conduct Policy - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [03:59:16] [discord] also read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:OPAQUE [03:59:16] [wikipedia] WP:OPAQUE | "Certain things on Wikipedia happen with little or no explanation. These include suppressions, checkuser blocks, many revision deletions, and many actions of the Arbitration Committee. Because most actions are logged publicly on Wikipedia, and their rationales well-documented, some users may get upset that they don't know why these things happen.But things are only obscured for a small number of reasons. […]" [03:59:25] [discord] just because you dont know why it happened doesnt mean it happened for no reason [03:59:34] [discord] thats more general than this situation [04:05:23] Um out of curiosity, looking at ops [04:05:27] who is litharge [04:06:14] [discord] hmm [04:06:16] [discord] thats a good question [04:08:36] [discord] banlist management bot [04:09:21] [discord] makes sense [04:09:43] [discord] ahhh that makes sense [04:09:53] [discord] wasn't sure if it was a user or a bot [04:14:49] @Orduin It comes from egrahtil backwards [07:11:22] [discord] Miraheze is looking for Software Engineers to join our MediaWiki Team to develop code to improve the user experience of Miraheze users, build tools that allow communities to grow, and tools that support our valuable volunteers in managing a dynamic and active global community. If you think this could be you, please do have a look at the Vacancies page which includes further information. (https://meta.miraheze.org/wik [07:11:23] [url] Not found | meta.miraheze.org [07:13:04] link for IRC: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Vacancies#Software_Engineer_(Developer)_(MediaWiki [07:13:05] [url] Miraheze Vacancies - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [09:44:21] [discord] how do you make a template? [09:45:16] [discord] I tried this but leave a red "Navbox" or "Template" link on the page , not the actual template [09:45:16] [discord] [09:45:17] [discord] ``` [09:45:19] [discord] {{Navbox [09:45:20] [discord] |name = Software engineering [09:45:21] [discord] |bodyclass = hlist [09:45:22] [discord] |title = [[Software engineering]] [09:45:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Software_engineering [09:45:24] [discord] |group1 = Fields [09:45:25] [discord] |list1 = [09:45:26] [discord] *[[Computer programming]] [09:45:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Computer_programming [09:45:28] [discord] *[[DevOps]] [09:45:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DevOps [09:45:29] [discord] *[[Requirements engineering]] [09:45:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requirements_engineering [09:45:30] [discord] *[[Site reliability engineering]] [09:45:30] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Site_reliability_engineering [09:45:32] [discord] *[[Software deployment]] [09:45:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Software_deployment [09:45:33] [discord] *[[Software design]] [09:45:33] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Software_design [09:45:34] [discord] *[[Software maintenance]] [09:45:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Software_maintenance [09:45:36] [discord] *[[Software testing]] [09:45:36] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Software_testing [09:45:37] [discord] *[[Systems analysis]] [09:45:37] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Systems_analysis [09:45:38] [discord] *[[Formal methods]] [09:45:38] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Formal_methods [09:45:39] [discord] }} [09:45:41] [discord] ``` [09:46:38] [discord] It makes sense [10:14:35] [discord] you should first code the template on page w/ `Template:` prefix [10:14:35] [discord] the code you pasted here is what should be used on other pages [10:16:11] [discord] in case of infoboxes there are 3 methods [10:16:11] [discord] - code by yourself from scratch - hardcore [10:16:12] [discord] - build w/ PortableInfobox extension - easiest [10:16:14] [discord] - import from another wiki - risky, may result in loads of other broken stuff [14:03:45] [discord] I have a question [14:03:53] [discord] When will real life villains wiki be reopened? [14:10:58] [discord] when its admins will fix issues, and that depends on them entirely [15:48:49] [discord] How to enable citoid on wiki? [15:51:31] We disabled that last year miraheze-wide. But, I'm personally planning on asking for re-installation soon. [16:14:55] [discord] It requires approval of a new server too for RESTbase so if approved, I don't know if we'll have the specs available to provision a new RESTbase server [16:21:56] hmm [16:42:10] @Agent why are you disabling twinkle [16:44:17] [discord] Naleksuh: I disabled devwiki Twinkle on Meta and enabled the Meta Twinkle gadget on Meta instead [16:44:23] Oh [16:58:33] [discord] Not sure if any ATT admins are in here (apart from @Labster ) but https://allthetropes.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-purgetab.js needs updating [16:58:34] [url] MediaWiki:Gadget-purgetab.js - All The Tropes | allthetropes.org [16:58:52] [discord] it's quite old and uses code that no longer works (doesn't support the new vector 2022 skin either) [16:59:09] [discord] i guess all that needs to happen is to copy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-purgetab.js ? [16:59:10] [wikipedia] MediaWiki:Gadget-purgetab.js | "" [16:59:49] [discord] A heads-up that something seems broken with the Community Noticeboard on meta... I can't interact with any links on that page, persists on multiple browser. [17:00:04] [discord] oh hmm [17:00:08] [discord] let me test it [17:00:16] [discord]