[01:42:03] [discord] so wait what happened with the crappy games wiki? [01:42:17] [discord] They voted to delete themselves [01:42:31] [discord] really? [01:42:36] [discord] yeah [01:42:40] [discord] so it no longer exists [02:58:04] [discord] damn [02:58:10] [discord] I really liked reading it [03:05:33] [discord] they shut down due to many valid issues in their community [03:05:42] [discord] voluntarily [03:05:59] [discord] members of the miraheze community started a request for comment banning any new reception wikis from being made [03:06:11] [discord] crappy games wiki (and many others) have been moved to another wiki host recently [03:33:06] No, they moved to nowhere and that other host decided to make new ones? [03:33:11] Nobody there discussed moving [04:16:22] [discord] yes they did [04:16:31] [discord] actually they half-did [04:16:56] [discord] the minority who opposed the split went to the remaining reception wikis and other places to discuss how to revive the reception wikis [04:16:59] [discord] anyway gtg [04:25:20] [discord] in short: they are not on Miraheze [04:25:21] [discord] contact other folks somewhere to find out more [04:30:11] [discord] yea [04:32:39] [discord] can we add this flag to the squirrel/bambi bi page? [04:32:39] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1070562370310643783/Tumblr_l_683222499421555.jpg [04:33:19] [discord] Idk how to share the link to it [04:33:41] [discord] but it was made by ryanyflags on tumblr [04:37:32] [discord] This is the chat for Miraheze, the wikihost that hosts nearly 6k wikis and isn't specific to a particular wiki's community. I'd recommend trying to find their specific discord server (if one exists) for the wiki you're trying to post this on. [04:37:41] [discord] o h [04:37:47] [discord] Im stupid [04:37:52] [discord] my bad lol [04:38:13] [discord] No worries, it's a common enough mistake. You're not the first today. 🙂 [04:38:27] [discord] how do I find the right server? [04:39:06] [discord] I'd do some looking on the specific wiki, most have a link on their main page. [04:51:13] [discord] hey i haven't used miraheze in a while so i haven't really kept up [04:51:31] [discord] were the edits that were made after the db141 problems ever get restored [05:01:56] [discord] YES [05:02:00] [discord] oops [05:02:02] [discord] caps lock was on [05:02:03] [discord] lmao [05:02:06] [discord] yes they were [05:06:15] [discord] Well, you had to request some of the edits be reintegrated [05:07:15] [discord] oh ok [05:07:17] [discord] how do i do that [05:08:01] [discord] An asterisk on that: [05:08:01] [discord] [05:08:02] [discord] 1. Wikis initially created after DB141 November outage were fully restored with edits through Dec 18 if available (must have been public and have a subdomain starting with A - O) [05:08:04] [discord] [05:08:05] [discord] 2. Wikis created *before* the November outage were restored in full up until point of November outage [05:08:06] [discord] [05:08:08] [discord] 3. Wikis that existed before outage but got re-created in the Nov-Dec span did not have edits through Dec 18 integrated by default, they had to request integration through a now-closed process. [05:08:26] [discord] oh [05:08:29] [discord] so it's closed [05:08:43] [discord] To be eligible, they had to meet same criteria (public wiki, subdomain starting with A-O or a number) [05:09:00] [discord] What wiki are you interested in doing that for? [05:09:27] [discord] well mine is called Bruh Momente Wiki [05:10:49] [discord] this is one of the disadvantages of being unable to remember the order of the alphabet [05:11:09] [discord] its too many letters [05:11:13] [discord] if i need them i just look it up [05:11:44] [discord] its like asking me to memorize every IP address i've used, i could do it but its too hard [05:12:01] [discord] As this wiki was set to private it wouldn't have been eligible to get captured in the Dec 18 backup, so what's been restored is all that's available. [05:12:02] [discord] anyway ill put that in #ID:615786602454581249 [05:12:25] [discord] oh yeah make sure to check if you have any of the files of it on your pc [05:12:26] [discord] Due to exactly how the incident was triggered, backups were halted partway through the public wikis, so unfortunately none of the private wikis were captured. [05:12:53] [discord] and use the utility i think its called disk driller it recovers 500mb of lost files for free [05:13:07] [discord] oh [05:13:08] [discord] ok [05:13:12] [discord] nope [05:13:26] [discord] have you ever used a word processor like microsoft office, wordpad, libreoffice, etc.? [05:13:47] [discord] @Collei, this isn't helpful in this instance. For private wikis, they'd have to have created an XML backup. [05:13:54] [discord] i know that [05:13:55] [discord] what i mean is that [05:14:04] [discord] they might have edited some wiki-related files [05:14:05] [discord] on their pc [05:14:19] [discord] i sometimes edit large pages on my local pc if i need to do something that both visual and source editor are not helping with [05:14:28] [discord] eh it's fine, i'll just redo the lost edits [05:14:35] [discord] alright sounds good lmao [05:15:24] [discord] even if you erase the files from your pc or even if you didnt edit it in a word processor at all there can be things like browser cache, autocorrect data, etc. that can help recover lost files manually and locally [06:26:33] [discord] Anyone who's familiar with Twinkle... [06:26:38] I am [06:26:42] What is it [06:26:54] [discord] is it just me, or when i attempt to mark a page on Meta for QD, is there none of the regular delete reasons? [06:27:01] [discord] G1, G7, U1, etc. [06:27:08] [discord] just a "custom rationale* [06:27:14] Those are Wikipedia reasons and don't exist on Miraheze [06:27:21] They're gone as part of de wikipedia ification [06:27:27] You can only type a reason [06:27:36] [discord] maybe we should add some reasons [06:27:48] There's a link to list of common delete reasons [06:28:02] [discord] no i mean as options [06:28:05] [discord] that you can click on [06:28:07] Unless you mean miraheze should make some type of csd like policy [06:28:08] [discord] as opposed to typing [06:28:20] [discord] csd? [06:28:51] 10:27:01 PM [discord] G1, G7, U1, etc. [06:28:55] These are csd criteria [06:29:07] [discord] ah [06:29:10] [discord] well then yes [06:29:19] [discord] we could do something like that [06:29:23] [discord] i personally prefer it [06:29:29] Do you mean that miraheze should add the policy or just that it should have buttons [06:29:38] Because it shouldn't use Wikipedia criteria [06:29:54] [discord] buttons [06:29:58] Also this is for Metas copy of twinkle right? [06:30:01] [discord] ease of use [06:30:10] The global copy probably will only ever let you type a reason [06:30:20] [discord] i'm talking meta [06:30:37] [discord] globally, there are so many different languages and different types of wikis, it's impossible [06:30:45] The issue is though there isn't a rigid deletion policy so there isn't a clear idea of whF would be put there [06:30:58] So I think you should propose some deletion criteria [06:31:06] [discord] well the common deletion reasons thing you linked to [06:31:11] [discord] just add some of those as buttons' [06:31:17] [discord] if I make a contribution to a site and it shows me pending - how do i find pending contribution? is there a way? [06:31:24] That would endorse their usage though [06:31:45] [discord] shouldnt be too bureaucratic [06:31:49] Also I was about to go to bed but I thought there was some time sensitive problem [06:31:55] Is it just you wanting more buttons [06:31:59] [discord] no there's no time sensitive problem [06:32:04] If so I will look at it tomorrow [06:32:12] [discord] just an idea for ease of use [06:32:18] [discord] but maybe there should still be a list of common reasons that might get accepted [06:32:26] [discord] but custom reasons can get accepted too if they seem accurate [06:32:59] [discord] like vandalism, nonsense, accidentally put on meta, entirely blank page, spam, etc. [06:33:00] [discord] I'm not sure if that's really necessary [06:33:05] [discord] Yes, some I can think of: [06:33:06] [discord] [06:33:07] [discord] vandalism [06:33:09] [discord] out of scope [06:33:10] [discord] test page [06:33:11] [discord] maintenance [06:33:13] [discord] author-requested deletion [06:33:20] [discord] Ah, if it's just that (and not with numbers) then that's okay [06:33:32] [discord] yea i dont mean with numbers + there should still be a custom option [06:33:33] [discord] The reasons in MediaWiki:delete dropdown (or whatever it's called) could be copied [06:33:38] [discord] yea [06:33:40] [discord] sounds like a good idea [06:33:42] [discord] yeah that would probbably work [06:33:57] [discord] those need a little fixing too by the way, but that should be left to an admin [06:34:12] [discord] no not numbers, i might die if i have to remember G1-G13 and U1-U7 or whatever [06:34:21] [discord] too much bureaucracy is a bad thing [06:34:25] [discord] lmao yea [06:34:25] [discord] got it [06:35:08] [discord] Yeah @Naleksuh, just a thought above if the MediaWiki:Delete-dropdown reasons could be copied to the TW interface [06:35:20] [discord] for whenever he's around [06:35:22] [discord] some would have to be modified slightly [06:35:28] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown but most of these seem good [06:35:29] [url] MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [06:35:55] [discord] @Reception123 assuming these are all good by you to move over to twinkle? [06:36:01] [discord] or are there any you'd want to +/- [06:37:23] [discord] some people might not be available to look into it right now [06:37:28] [discord] i plan to sleep soon personally [06:38:15] [discord] probably would like to change some first [06:38:52] [discord] gotcha, see DMs [06:40:41] [discord] for some thoughts on it (don't want to spam general) [06:40:54] [discord] on IRC [06:41:47] [discord] Hmm, maybe under Special:MyContributions? I haven't explored that extension in-depth yet... [06:43:06] [discord] i checked there. the list is empty. just pending moderation. [06:43:36] [discord] my browser crashed so i didn't even get a chance to click on any links to continue editing to see what they do [06:44:01] [discord] unless i'm looking in the wrong place [06:45:05] [discord] Yeah, seems like the place where you'd find consolidated logs is only available to moderators, I don't think Special:Moderation would even load for end users, so I don't know that there's a good way to do this with that extension. [06:45:31] [discord] Though perhaps someone w/ more experience may have alternate guidance. [06:46:24] [discord] yea it surprised me when it went to pending [06:50:06] [discord] is there a template to display the wiki subdomain? [06:51:20] [discord] something like {{SITENAME}} gives the site name [06:51:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:SITENAME [06:51:21] [discord] [06:51:22] [discord] is there a template that displays only the subdomain name of wiki? [06:51:23] [discord] [06:51:24] [url] Creating SITENAME - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [11:54:24] [discord] anyone experiencing database errors when logging in? [11:54:40] [discord] re https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1070671667443015780 [11:54:40] [url] Discord | discord.com [11:55:01] [discord] I tried to logout and login again, no errors [12:10:35] [discord] <⭐Eri> I guess for some reason miraheze is hating me lmao [13:32:37] [discord] They should now be resolved. They were caused by a cleanup of stray databases but it seems one of them still had localuser (CentralAuth) tables even though it had no cw_wiki entry [14:06:48] [discord] Goodnight! [15:03:31] [discord] ay do yall got a wikibox simular to the one wikipedia has for US states/countries? [15:03:32] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1070721133927731212/image.png [15:03:56] [discord] or is it only this form [15:03:56] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1070721236763680891/image.png [15:15:17] [discord] some wikis code by themselves, some import from wikipedia (which might be a slippery road) [15:15:57] [discord] there's no way to tell that we have a "ready" infobox [16:02:54] [discord] oh I see [16:40:04] [discord] The simplest way that doesn't involve a lot of template-borrowing from wikipedia is an extension called Portable Infobox. We have a near-identical implementation to Fandom's, so their help documents work for ours too. [16:40:14] [discord] PortableInfobox Main Documentation (fandom) - https://portability.fandom.com/wiki/Portable_Infoboxes [16:40:15] [discord] Generalized Help Page with Examples (fandom) - https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Infoboxes#Examples [16:40:15] [url] Portable Infoboxes | Portability Hub | Fandom | portability.fandom.com [16:40:16] [url] Help:Infoboxes | Community Central | Fandom | community.fandom.com [16:40:16] [discord] Additional Implementation Examples (fandom) - https://portability.fandom.com/wiki/Example_communities#Portable_Infoboxes [16:40:18] [url] Example communities | Portability Hub | Fandom | portability.fandom.com [16:40:33] [discord] I see [16:41:15] [discord] That one requires a very minor bit of writing to get exactly as you like, but we also have a visual builder tool if you'd prefer not to have to write any layout tags yourself. [16:41:38] [discord] I see [16:41:43] [discord] I started working on this just last night, but I'm a Wikipedia editor so it's not that hard for me to edit [16:42:09] [discord] Ah, OK. If you're already familiar with the wikipedia ecosystem of templates, there's nothing that'll specifically prevent you from using the wikipedia-style ones. [16:42:22] [discord] well, the wikis aren't hard, importing infoboxes is a thing I never tried [16:42:28] [discord] But you will need to enable the templatestyles extension at bare minimum. [16:43:42] [discord] If you're familiar w/ writing wikitext but not the underlying templates/modules/styles.css/config pages that go into infobox stuff, you might find that Portable Infobox is a much cleaner way to get going. [16:44:21] [discord] I've worked with fandom infoboxes before so [16:44:22] [discord] Since as you're probably aware, WP has (by necessity) very over-engineered templates to handle for any situation, so they come w/ a lot of dependencies. [16:44:33] [discord] Oh, perfect, so yeah, it's essentially 1:1 with Fandom's [16:44:46] [discord] In fact, you can probably copy Fandom infobox code and have it work w/o issue [16:45:28] [discord] So I can basically copy the infobox from my old fandom wiki on alternatehistory and use it for my wiki [16:45:57] [discord] Yep, you might still need templatestyles extension and to borrow a CSS snippet or two, but it shouldn't require more than that [16:46:14] [discord] No tangle of templates/modules in 99% of cases [16:46:51] [discord] what's a CSS snippet- [16:49:30] [discord] CSS (aka cascading style sheets) controls how things on the page look, e.g. giving infoboxes rounded corners. [16:49:57] [discord] If you have any special formatting on your infoboxes, you may need to borrow that as well from your MediaWiki:Common.css page to make your Miraheze infoboxes look like your Fandom infoboxes. [16:50:50] [discord] (snippet is just a weird word choice on my part, I just meant you may need to borrow small amounts of code) [16:52:28] [discord] Interesting [16:52:59] [discord] If I can't figure it out I'll just use the wikiboxes my friend used for his lol [17:09:13] [discord] *Main* question on my mind… is there any way to get stuff that was on the discussion board, at present? [17:09:13] [discord] (I kept notes there on several of my characters that I haven't yet made pages for…) [17:20:19] [discord] discussion board of? [17:22:12] [discord] The Special:WikiForum (or what used to be that at least). [19:35:01] [discord] i dont know much about that extension, but maybe if you download the datadump xml file, all the posts will be in there [22:26:42]