[00:04:17] [discord] @CosmicAlpha I don't know if you're working on this but [00:04:17] [discord] have you considered adding a small nav section navigate between ManageWiki settings, while in ManageWiki? [00:04:43] [discord] as you might know, some skins do not display the ManageWiki links on the sidebar or topbar [00:51:03] [discord] Nope, nothing there. [00:51:04] [discord] [00:51:05] [discord] Kinda worried that those may've gotten lost forever in the db141 incident, but. If that's the case, I'll just. Like. Have to live with it. [00:51:35] [discord] Oh yeah, DataDump only includes actual pages, WikiForum posts aren't pages [00:51:45] [discord] If your database was recovered then the tables should be there [00:51:54] [discord] there's no real reason why they'd be gone [00:52:05] [discord] so as soon as WF is patched, you should find your old posts [00:53:11] [discord] Oh, thank goodness. [00:53:12] [discord] So it's just a matter of patience, patience, patience, and more patience, then. [01:27:46] [discord] oh ok i wasnt sure since i think commentstreams saves comments as actual pages [01:29:53] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1070878761911861248/IMG_9553.png [01:30:13] [discord] That’s what FANDOM actually is [01:30:47] [discord] indeed [01:30:56] [discord] lmfao [01:33:50] [discord] Where’s the ads covering majority of the meme [01:35:52] [discord] that would be pretty funny [01:41:00] [discord] maybe add some court documents and screenshots of the globally blocked message and screenshots of vandalism [01:43:21] [discord] and maybe a screenshot of the employee reviews on glassdoor and indeed and a screenshot of pcj's resignation letter [01:44:48] [discord] lmaooo [01:51:55] [discord] lmao [01:51:57] [discord] im working on it now [02:05:35] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1070887746404614196/image.png [02:10:46] [discord] idk what happened with the background wtf [02:11:20] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1070889193552760862/fandom_sucks.png [02:11:22] [discord] there we go [02:19:07] [discord] All fun and games (and more appropriate for off-topic), but do remember that a lot of our best contributors are Fandom emigrees. [02:19:08] [discord] [02:19:09] [discord] Let's make sure they feel welcome, even when we disagree with their previous host. [02:19:20] [discord] alright i understand [02:19:27] [discord] not an insult towards the editors [02:19:34] [discord] the problem is w/ the corporate management [02:20:39] [discord] For sure, I'm not a big fan of several of their recent moves either. [02:21:58] [discord] the problem could be that specially for new people coming from there, they might not be know that is the intention [02:22:15] [discord] yeah fair [02:22:17] [discord] i understand [02:51:42] [discord] This was a DCMA takedown of the review? [02:51:54] [discord] no [02:51:54] [discord] it wasnt [02:51:58] [discord] it was of something else [02:52:45] [discord] I saw recently Miraculous Lady Bug sent a DMCA to fandom for their wiki [02:53:02] [discord] oh here it is https://lumendatabase.org/notices/28468067 [02:53:02] [url] DMCA (Copyright) Complaint to Google :: Notices :: Lumen | lumendatabase.org [02:53:41] [discord] ah [02:53:43] [discord] good work [02:55:05] [discord] so they want the wiki to be shut down? [02:55:45] [discord] yeah probably [02:55:49] [discord] Not necessarily, since it conforms to Fair Use. I suspect the URL they removed contained some kind of content in which infringed on the copyright. [02:55:51] [discord] ah, that's interesting [02:55:55] [discord] who wants fandom hosting anything [02:56:01] [discord] i do not think [02:56:06] [discord] that has been tested in court [02:56:17] [discord] would've made more sense to have directly contacted Fandom though [02:56:24] [discord] people think of fair use as *any* commentary or criticism [02:56:26] [discord] removing a link won't do much [02:56:34] [discord] have you ever tried to get through to Fandom support? [02:56:41] [discord] It's literal hell; passed from pillar to post. [02:56:44] [discord] its a much more specific scope than that though [02:56:47] [discord] Well, I'm sure their legal department actually listens lol [02:57:26] [discord] maybe fandom link appears before official site lol [02:57:54] [discord] It does anyway, but I doubt Google would remove it for that. [02:58:16] [discord] actually [02:58:19] [discord] that would make sense [02:58:26] [discord] they are just DMCAing the pages appearing above theirs [02:58:29] [discord] for copyright infringement [02:58:39] [discord] but thats still not their primary concern [03:00:30] [discord] It was their main page, [03:00:31] [url] Miraculous Ladybug Wiki | Fandom | miraculousladybug.fandom.com [03:00:38] [discord] LOL [03:01:10] [discord] thats [03:01:15] [discord] pretty [03:01:16] [discord] funny [03:01:37] [discord] lmao [03:28:37] [discord] Any one can help? :0 [03:29:36] [discord] # [03:29:37] [discord] :THIS: is the context... [04:17:27] [discord] what's everyone up to [04:20:50] Up to nothing fun [04:21:53] [discord] hah [04:24:12] Oh yeah, I was going to update the preferences page now [04:24:17] I updated it for dev wiki this mornin [04:25:06] [discord] ah yes [04:25:14] [discord] Naleksuh: let me send you the CSD stuff [04:25:21] What is there to send? [04:25:44] [discord] the list of what to add as buttons [04:26:07] There is nothing to add [04:26:34] If you want buttons to add, create a consensus for a rigid deletion policy. Then those buttons can be added [04:27:06] [discord] ``` [04:27:06] [discord] Vandalism [04:27:07] [discord] Harassment [04:27:09] [discord] Copyright violation [04:27:10] [discord] Spam [04:27:11] [discord] Test page [04:27:12] [discord] User page of a spam-only account. [04:27:14] [discord] Housekeeping [04:27:15] [discord] Broken redirect [04:27:16] [discord] Double redirect [04:27:18] [discord] Author requested deletion [04:27:19] [discord] Page erroneously created on Meta [04:27:20] [discord] Malformed RfC [04:27:22] [discord] Subpages with no parent page [04:27:23] [discord] Unused talk page [04:27:24] [discord] Empty category [04:27:25] [discord] Unused template [04:27:27] [discord] Code of Conduct Violation [04:27:28] [discord] ``` [04:27:29] [discord] Naleksuh: in that case I'm happy to do it myself [04:27:56] [discord] if you won't that's totally fine, i'm sure i'll figure it out somehow [04:28:21] As mentioned before, there is no policy for deleting those things [04:28:31] So, references to CSD aren't a good idea [04:28:48] [discord] just make them buttons on the twinkle interface [04:28:56] [discord] they're commonly used reasons when admins delete [04:29:04] [discord] and when i mark pages for deletion [04:30:39] I just feel like adding them to a gadget's interface is too close to making them official. It isn't my spot to unilaterally make them valid reasons for deletion [04:30:50] Again, if you feel so strongly why don't you just start a discussion about a deletion policy? [04:31:08] [discord] because not everything needs to have a policy for it, the bureaucracy there is too much [04:31:40] [discord] and they're already valid reasons for deletion, they've been used since Miraheze was created [04:31:43] I would think letting sysops delete whatever they want would be bureaucracy but OK [04:32:23] [discord] sysops have the `delete` right, so i mean yeah [04:32:41] [discord] Naleksuh: it's fine with me if you don't add it, just don't stop me from doing so [04:33:02] Add it to where? [04:33:29] [discord] `MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js` [04:33:53] Start editing, then [04:34:14] [discord] never mind, it appears I need the `interface-edit` permission [04:34:47] [discord] Naleksuh: it's not like i want to argue everything, it'd just be much better if you added them [04:35:11] No one but you have said that, though [04:35:38] Like I said. Why can't you just start a discussion about a deletion policy? That's so simple and will either get you what you want or establish no need [04:35:46] [discord] Naleksuh: ^ [04:35:50] [discord] and this [04:36:11] [discord] oh right you can't see replies on IRC can you [04:36:46] [discord] Reception-123: "Ah, if it's just that (and not with numbers) then that's okay" and "The reasons in MediaWiki:delete dropdown (or whatever it's called) could be copied" [04:37:31] When did they say that? [04:37:46] [discord] a day or so ago [04:37:52] [discord] you can check the #miraheze logs [05:02:23] [discord] > [irc] As mentioned before, there is no policy for deleting those things [05:02:24] [discord] yes there is [05:10:39] Can people on the VCP have non-Latinly typeable usernames? [05:11:45] [discord] yes, why wouldn't they be able to? [05:13:05] [discord] Silly Q: I'm only familiar with VCP in context of Volunteer Conduct Policy. Sounds like this is a different VCP? [05:13:15] I meant that VCP [05:13:49] [discord] pretty sure he meant that VCP [05:14:07] For example, 開拓者 used to go by The Pioneer [05:14:28] [discord] ...and? [05:14:44] Names you cannot type on a Latin keyboard are a disruption [05:14:55] And normally advanced volunteers should ideally not have that issue [05:15:17] [discord] okay but think about that from a globalist perspective [05:15:24] [discord] That's a bit of a stretch to fit inside the current framework of VCP as written, but your point is taken. [05:15:42] I am thinking about it from a "globalist perspective" [05:15:42] [discord] Miraheze is a global platform, not just an English-speaking one. [05:16:03] [discord] people are entitled to whatever username they wish [05:16:05] If I was suggesting it apply to all users that would be one thing. But it would only apply to users defined as a volunteer [05:16:12] [discord] we're not going to stop that because it's "hard to type" [05:16:30] So, you oppose it [05:16:30] [discord] Naleksuh: that would mean that all users that don't have a Latin keyboard name would be ineligible for a volunteer position [05:16:36] [discord] If their role and focus is primarily in anti-vandalism in east-asian wiki communities or similar, it could in theory be more disruptive to have a latinate name [05:16:38] [discord] even if they were extremely qualified and response [05:16:51] [discord] Vs local typescript [05:17:00] There's no need for you to say that "we" "aren't going to" add a rule that many wikis have just because you don't like it [05:17:07] [discord] I oppose this unequivocally. [05:17:21] Good to hear it, you don't need to say it again [05:18:31] [discord] what wikis have this policy? [05:18:36] [discord] i also oppose it [05:32:23] [discord] define volunteer? active on discord/irc/meta + helping? [05:32:45] [discord] and yeah, that seems weird [05:32:58] [discord] can't you copy username? [05:34:18] [discord] yes [05:36:07] [discord] What would even be the definition of "Names you cannot type on a Latin keyboard are a disruption" be here? [05:36:08] [discord] English-language keyboards (especially US ones, I think UK ones have some accented vowels due to Irish?) have basically no extended Latin script characters or diacritic dead keys. Unless we're working under the assumption that Miraheze's userbase knows their extended-Latin ASCII codes by heart, I don't see how 我愛菠蘿 is any more "disruptive" to type than AmoLasPiñas. And banning all extended-Latin characters from vol [05:36:53] [discord] anyone who has rights on Meta or globally [05:37:14] [discord] you wouldn't fall under the jurisdiction of [[VCP]] [05:37:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/VCP [05:37:15] [discord] [05:37:16] [url] Volunteer Conduct Policy - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [05:37:54] [discord] they have tts message rights here [05:38:00] [discord] they can send text to speech messages on discord [05:38:02] [discord] others cant [05:38:05] [discord] thats advanced rights [05:38:06] [discord] /j [05:38:55] [discord] time to promote everyone to patroller so that they fall under the VCP [05:38:56] [discord] lol [05:39:03] [discord] Excuse me what, why would a non-latin name be a "disruption"? [05:41:26] [discord] do patrollers fall under the VCP? [05:41:31] [discord] my point exactly [05:43:36] [discord] yes, that's an advanced right [05:43:36] [discord] Technically those who are helping on the discord in an informal capacity should still act in accordance w/ VCP, since it really boils down to "Don't be a jerk" [05:43:54] [discord] ah [05:43:57] [discord] true [05:44:39] [discord] actually can someone 📌 this [05:44:48] [discord] ‘Don’t be a jerk’ the simplest conduct instructions for the internet, until you have to start defining what ‘being a jerk’ means 🙂 [05:45:09] [discord] *buries head remembering semantic arguments with coworkers on this exact point* [05:45:31] No it makes you do other stuff too [05:45:32] I forgot [05:45:35] [discord] I have written so much information about ‘how not to be a jerk’ in my time moderating for communities 🙂 [05:46:05] It makes yougive extra rules [05:46:37] [discord] The six key points are: [05:46:38] [discord] [05:46:40] [discord] -Be Courteous [05:46:41] [discord] -Be Respectful [05:46:42] [discord] -Be Patient [05:46:43] [discord] -Work in Unity [05:46:45] [discord] -Don't Abuse your power (perceived or real) [05:46:46] [discord] -Ask For Help [05:46:57] [discord] Wikimedia Meta runs on English, and they have a Steward named "علاء" (Alaa). That never had any issues, Latin users can always just call by their Latin alias Alaa. [05:47:28] [discord] that's true [05:48:00] [discord] Naleksuh: this whole "latin usernames only" thing won't work [05:48:40] Does "perceived or real" apply to things like revision deleting something then claiming you oversighted it, claiming to be a functionary when you aren't, etc? [05:49:12] [discord] Oh, whether your power is perceived or real is what I meant there. [05:49:38] OK what about that issue though [05:49:54] [discord] E.g. using your role as a means of intimidation, claiming greater authority than you actually have, forcing an outcome to a dispute outside of normal process. [05:49:59] [discord] who even is a functionary [05:50:06] [discord] Stewards, really [05:50:08] CheckUsers, Oversighters, and Stewards [05:50:10] [discord] Trust and Safety I suppose [05:50:18] But this person was trying to claim that they were a functionary because they were a Meta sysop [05:50:28] [discord] hmm [05:50:28]