[00:00:04] [discord] > "never a good tactic" is kind of black and white thinking. companies are much less likely to put the money into building the software if others can take its source for free. and with less money going into the software, it's less effective. especially since this probably requires vast amounts of computing power to try to outsmart the AI's that are trying to outsmart it [00:00:05] [discord] i know it can be a good tactic for non-security reasons [00:00:06] [discord] Like QuestyCaptcha but more interactive [00:02:02] [discord] right so they have security, finances, and other things to consider. are they supposed to choose open source because security should never be about obscurity, even if the other factors outweigh it? [00:02:42] [discord] yes i know, i mean that if the captcha is secure because its closed source then that means its not secure, if its closed source for business reasons thats different [00:02:43] [discord] I'm gonna be going to mediawiki to search up some obscure setting every captcha lol [00:03:10] [discord] > How about making a captcha that asks you questions about MediaWiki and you have to answer them by typing out examples [00:03:11] [discord] might not work for people new to mediawiki [00:03:31] [discord] But it would make people learn it, which is good [00:04:25] [discord] you cant always expect people to have to/want to learn it [00:04:34] [discord] ah. well that's also arguable. if you can consider your source code secure from being seen through good methods, then you could argue that security through obscurity is secure [00:05:40] [discord] no, because human error is at fault, if someone is socially engineered, has their device stolen, etc., then the source code *can* get stolen [00:06:17] [discord] i mean anyone who writes their password down somewhere to not forget it is using security through obscurity [00:06:30] [discord] uh im not sure about that [00:06:41] [discord] whats the difference? [00:06:47] [discord] whats the similarity [00:07:27] [discord] if the gardener is socially engineered to let a stranger in, who can take a peek at the password, they've just beaten the security [00:08:25] [discord] obscuring that password is how your account is kept secure [00:08:47] [discord] obscuring the captcha source code is how the software is kept secure [00:11:34] [discord] uhh [00:11:38] [discord] sort of not really [02:52:53] [discord] Quick question: how do I change the permissions of a wiki so only I have edit access? [02:53:05] [discord] Ie. The administrator [02:54:13] [discord] I’ve made it public since I want people to easily see it but I don’t want anyone but me coming in and randomly editing stuff for giggles [02:56:32] You can do that through Special:ManageWiki/permissions [02:56:50] [discord] Yeah *how* do I do that is what I’m asking [02:56:58] [discord] I’m a bit intimidated to say the least [02:59:43] [discord] You can revoke the edit permission from the `*` and `user` group and assign it to the administrators group only [03:01:33] [discord] Make sure the first dropdown says "(everyone)". Then, click "Submit". Uncheck the "edit" and "createpage" boxes, type anything in the reason box and click the submit button next to it. Do the same for the "User" and "Autoconfirmed" groups, but also remember to revoke the "move", "upload", and "createtalk" rights too. Then, assign the "edit" right to the administrators group. [03:01:49] [discord] In other words, do what Agent said above [03:01:50] [discord] Ah ok ok [03:01:52] [discord] Thank you [03:05:38] [discord] Alright did all of that and gave the administrator the “createpage”, “createtalk”, and “edit” permissions [03:20:46] [discord] Hi, I read through the ParserFunction documentation but didn't find anything that could find a string of word inside of itself. [03:20:47] [discord] For example, I have this ForceSEO template, which lets me choose a specific image and or description for the page. It works with WikiSEO but doesn't for PageImage if I forget to add ``File:`` to the image name. I just want to add a ParserFunction that would put ``File:`` automatically if it's not there already. [03:20:48] [discord] ```{{#seo:{{#if:{{{Desc|}}}|description={{{Desc}}}}}|{{#if:{{{Image file|}}}|image={{{Image file}}}}}}}``` [03:20:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23seo:Template:%7b%7b%23if:%7b%7b%7bDesc [03:42:40] [discord] Is it possible to change your username on Miraheze? [03:43:33] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:GlobalRenameRequest [03:43:34] [url] Log in - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [03:45:15] [discord] ah, thank you [03:53:13] [discord] > Alright did all of that and gave the administrator the “createpage”, “createtalk”, and “edit” permissions [03:53:14] [discord] it should work now [03:53:19] [discord] let us know if it doesnt work [04:05:51] [discord] Nah it’s perfectly fine [04:06:14] [discord] alright got it [04:37:39] [discord] > Oh what's that? National Independant WikiFarms Association? 😛 [04:37:39] [discord] honestly a "wikifarms association" would be pretty amazing [04:38:56] [discord] "Association for Freedom of Collaborative Knowledge [04:38:56] [discord] *"Association for Freedom of Collaborative Knowledge" [04:38:56] [discord] something like that [04:40:17] [discord] :pupCoffeeMH: Join the WikiFarmers Union, kid [04:42:09] [discord] lmao [04:42:09] [discord] based [04:42:10] [discord] yes [04:44:22] [discord] it's been attempted here before but it would be cool to see more interwiki engagement/organization [04:49:06] [discord] indeed [05:21:31] I found out that Miraheze doesn't send me any verification emails anymore since I misconfigured it just now and three verification emails were discarded. Is there any way to end it? [05:24:34] [discord] xtex: you can change your email at [[Special:Preferences]] [05:24:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Preferences [05:25:11] I just changed, but I still can't get any email. [05:54:29] [discord] can someone unlock my account pls, its named `Example` [05:55:12] [discord] ne pas [06:00:04] [discord] rip [06:22:16] [discord] what is the maximum pages a wiki can have before mediawiki dies or you guys start trying to save storage? [06:22:30] [discord] Unlimited. [06:22:33] [discord] oh [06:22:53] [discord] so you dont mind if i make a 900k page wiki? [06:23:01] [discord] with images and other media files [06:23:44] [discord] Well maybe an eventual limited, but it'd have to be super large, and you'd have to be able to justify the wiki being useful, or it could be against our ToS, and for media files, even the content policy also. [06:23:59] [discord] it will be a game database [06:24:09] [discord] i didnt realise there were so many games in this world [06:24:40] [discord] in theory its fine as long as the pages arent gibberish or nonsensical [06:24:46] [discord] alright [06:24:54] [discord] could be wrong on that but i dont think theres anything against it [06:24:55] [discord] its to late to turn back now i already sent a request [06:27:35] [discord] There is a limit to how much we could realistically host. If it is to large, that it exhausted our resources, it could be taken down under the Terms of Use section 8. [06:27:50] [discord] makes sense [06:28:07] [discord] i would never get around to making more than a 100 pages probably but we will see [06:28:23] [discord] well i mean [06:28:27] [discord] the reception wikis [06:28:35] [discord] technically were trying to cover every [06:28:40] [discord] game and movie etc in existence [06:28:47] [discord] i am only doing games [06:28:48] [discord] though they were taken offline it was for other reasons [06:28:54] [discord] yea [06:29:03] [discord] so long as it [06:29:05] [discord] all together probably never got to 900k pages though [06:29:05] [discord] games [06:29:07] [discord] do [06:29:09] [discord] :?r [06:29:13] [discord] (i am sleepy) [06:29:16] [discord] should be fine probably [06:29:23] [discord] there is a games database that is almost at 900k games it is called RAWG [06:29:51] [discord] moby games sites has a large data base, including ancient obscure and mobile java ones [06:29:59] [discord] how much in total? [06:30:00] [discord] yea ik but in wiki form it'd take a very long time to get to the same point [06:30:08] [discord] true [06:30:13] [discord] its not like its going to instantly go from 0 pages to 900k pages [06:30:21] [discord] so i guess for now the conclusion is: dont need to worry for now.... [06:30:23] [discord] I think the most pages any wiki has is just over a million, but I might be wrong (could be a lot less, but I thought I remembered one wiki having just over a million, but can't remember now) [06:30:34] [discord] blue pages wiki? [06:30:39] [discord] there would probably also need to be notability requirements to prevent people from using the site for spam [06:31:06] [discord] my request is on hold............. [06:31:13] [discord] makes sense [06:31:15] [discord] let me see [06:31:53] [discord] That one only has just under 400,000. [06:32:10] [discord] @administrator to answer the question about encyclopedia style https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/29680#mw-section-comments [06:32:11] [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [06:32:16] [discord] think of a style similarly to wikipedia [06:32:24] [discord] thats encyclopedia style [06:32:32] [discord] oh [06:32:42] [discord] i wrote "It won't be in a list, I am not sure what you mean by encyclopedia style but I have a general idea on how it will be sorted out. We will have some game entries on the featured tab, but it will also be sorted out by platforms on which the games can be played. There will be a list of platforms, and on those pages a list of games they support. I only picked encyclopedia since it was the closest thing to what I [06:32:50] [discord] Correct. [06:33:04] [discord] i think it might be a mix of both, depends on whatever is the best [06:33:14] [discord] sounds good [06:33:19] [discord] imo anyway [06:33:25] [discord] im not a wiki creator so we'll see what they say [06:33:30] [discord] alright im gonna go AFK [06:34:02] [discord] kk cya [06:34:31] [discord] Bye. [06:35:01] [discord] I'm going for now also. I might be back on Discord in a couple days, but probably not tomorrow. [06:35:42] [discord] alright i see [06:35:43] [discord] cya [06:46:38] [discord] im back [08:45:11] [discord] If you're just straight-copying WP entries, that's a hard no. [08:45:40] [discord] looking at the request now for context [08:46:24] [discord] Honestly wondering, how large is "too large"…? 🤔 [08:46:30] [discord] Yeah, the difference here is that it's narrower in scope, it's specifically games and thus approvable [08:48:04] [discord] @administrator where this could run into additionnal problems is if you move past pure documentation into ascribing attributes, e.g. bad and good games. [08:48:04] [discord] [08:48:06] [discord] This is where it could run afoul of reception wiki prohibitions and might get the axe. Otherwise, approvable. [08:49:24] [discord] Mostly-text wikis generally aren't a problem. It's when you get into really image-heavy wikis (or fancy wikis w/excessive API calls) that it could be an issue. [08:50:13] [discord] Even really heavy image wikis are generally 5GB or less. If you're getting to 30GB or above, that's when you start needing to have conversations w/ stewards about how to control bloat. [08:51:16] [discord] It's not enforced today, but I think the total wikis that fall into the latter category (and risking closure under 'primarily file share' CP) total up to maybe... 6? [08:53:07] [discord] How do you know when you're around 30 GB? 🤔 [08:53:09] [discord] Like. Is there a warning or a notification? [08:54:14] [discord] There isn't an alert, but you can always check this on the Special:MediaStatistics page [08:54:58] [discord] For my wiki that documents a city builder game and is lousy w/ images, I'm at 113 mb [08:55:56] [discord] For my content-complete wiki that documents an adventure game and was ported from fandom, I'm at 516mb [08:56:47] [discord] I imagine some character-focused gacha games might be a bit higher, e.g. genshin impact [09:01:49] [discord] I admit to being curious about the adventure game, haha. [09:01:50] [discord] [09:01:51] [discord] Is there a way to check for the wiki size by MB or GB if it's just text only? [09:03:01] [discord] https://growevertreewiki.miraheze.org/, though it needs a bit of work as a few links got broken with the migration. [09:03:02] [url] Grow Song of The Evertree Wiki | growevertreewiki.miraheze.org [09:04:14] [discord] The text only wikis aren't going to be huge, regardless. Even if you created thousands of pages, text is TINY [09:08:01] [discord] Assuming an absolutely ridiculous essay per page to get to 50kb with 900k pages, that's still totalling up to,,, maybe 43 GB total? [10:56:22] [discord] Texts are tiny especially when MH deployed compression [10:56:49] [discord] Images and other stuffs are much bigger than that [11:40:17] [discord] I see that ReplaceText is deleted or replaced with "Mass edit using regular expressions" [11:40:18] [discord] I tried to use it, but it says [11:40:19] [discord] ``` [11:40:21] [discord] Edit failed: [11:40:22] [discord] Page1 does not exist [11:40:23] [discord] Page2 does not exist [11:40:25] [discord] Page3 does not exist [11:40:26] [discord] etc.``` [11:40:27] [discord] Page1, Page2 and Page3 are just placeholder names to show you the error message [11:41:11] [discord] in Pages to edit I put a category these pages are [11:41:11] [discord] and in "This is a list of" I set it as "Category names" [11:48:34] [discord] I will only use ratings from other sites like play store. And also age rating as well. [11:50:41] [discord] I don't plan to let users be able to rate games and if they want to talk about them I will make a discord server for it. [12:02:52] [discord] this is my request if you want more info: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/29680#mw-section-request [12:02:52] [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:14:37] [discord] can someone accept my request [13:09:26] [discord] Looks like spambots invaded Miraheze, eh? [13:09:40] [discord] Don't worry. I know that feeling. [13:09:51] [discord] Got a raid at my own Discord server few days ago. 😐 [13:20:55] [discord] RIP [13:27:38] [discord] is a wiki about reception wikis allowed? [13:28:53] [discord] isn't there such already? [13:29:37] [discord] receptionwikis.miraheze.org [13:36:15] [discord] If it's existing yes, but even so, if it's not a reception wiki itself it's allowed [13:48:07] [discord] [[mh:User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex Guide]] probably a regex error [13:48:07] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex_Guide [13:48:08] [discord] [13:48:08] [url] Creating Mh:User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex Guide - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [13:48:31] [discord] Oops this one [[User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex Guide]] probably a regex error [13:48:31] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex_Guide [13:48:32] [discord] [13:48:33] [url] User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex Guide - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [14:46:18] [discord] Since the Miraheze Genshin wiki is still WIP, giving Twisted Wonderland instead for reference: Sitting at 3.22GB, and that's after 200+ cards released. So a content-complete wiki for an older gacha (FGO has 300+ "servants" for example) might break the 5GB barrier, but even then it's not easy 😛 [14:56:58] [discord] how come my wiki request is still on hold after more than 5 hours [15:01:42] [discord] does anyone know how to import templates ? [15:03:20] [discord] There's only so many volunteers. Wiki creation queue tends to be looked at by the end of the day, so chances are you won't have too wait too long. [15:04:00] [discord] me after i got mine yesterday in like 10 minutes [15:05:59] [discord] check your request, creator could leave a comment/question [15:27:48] [discord] i answered there question 9 hours ago [15:31:21] [discord] Until MH officially support WebP, I guess we will still stuck with big size PNGs [15:41:04] [discord] Which one is it? [15:47:44] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/29680#mw-section-request [15:47:45] [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [15:48:17] [discord] I just approved that one [15:48:26] [discord] alright thanks [15:56:50] [discord] i dont have bureaucrat perms [15:57:33] [discord] Hold on, I'll check your CentralAuth to see if that's true [15:58:08] [discord] Your Miraheze account is Numbers, right? [15:58:14] [discord] yes [15:58:22] [discord] Well, it looks like you have bureaucrat permissions [15:58:24] [discord] i dont see any managewiki links on the sidebar [15:58:43] [discord] oh wait [15:58:45] [discord] my bad [15:58:48] [discord] i wasnt logged in [15:59:30] [discord] In the future, just know that you can go to Special:ManageWiki directly if you can't see the ManageWiki links [15:59:36] [discord] alright thanks [16:09:00] [discord]