[00:59:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> How do you get interwiki links to not style as external links and instead style as if an internal link, like with class plainlinks?
[01:01:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Genathan> OH wait, it's an interwiki table thing, nvm
[01:43:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Theodore liam> "I'll teach 10 individuals how to earn $12,000 in 72 hours  from the crypto market.ASK ME HOW?
[01:44:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Guys, I found another one
[02:32:14] <sTRM>	 Presumably spend 1500$, then recruit 10 more people.
[02:48:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> It was a crypto scam message saying that you can make a lot of money from investing in it (IDK how much)
[02:50:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> A lying amount
[03:08:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh
[03:08:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i've seen that scam before
[03:08:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> one momenet
[03:08:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1073440307657572442/image.png
[03:08:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> this one?
[03:14:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> "Make" $4500 a day and then get rugpulled kek
[03:15:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[03:17:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah
[03:17:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that stupid ass server in the spam
[03:17:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not only is it still unbanned
[03:17:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but all the spambots who spam it rarely get banned
[03:17:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> discord's trust & safety is a mess
[03:22:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> "Make" $4500 a day and then get rugpulled kek
[03:22:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> duplicate message
[03:22:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 👍
[03:22:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> pretty sure ur internet is bad or smth
[04:07:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Oh yeah sometimes discord double sends on my phone
[04:08:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Dunno why
[04:20:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats strange
[04:41:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> yeah so i don't really feel like patrolling 169 revisions of an RfC
[04:41:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> that's...yeah no
[04:45:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmaoo
[04:45:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> rip
[06:45:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> what's everyone up to right no
[07:17:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> trying to get a genshin impact private server to work
[07:22:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <asph//ellie> i tried enabling the "citizen" skin as the default skin of my wiki and i am now unable to view anything on it
[07:22:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <asph//ellie> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1073504322861674509/image.png
[07:23:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> rip
[07:24:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> can you try w/ adding `?useskin=vector` at the end of any URL of your wiki?
[07:24:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Can you copy the request ID (those characters inside the brackets)?
[07:25:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <asph//ellie> i refreshed the page since but the numbers i have are 41e0723dc2700ef1a4b6c695
[07:25:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Thanks! I don't have time to pull the log for it right now but perhaps @Reception123 will shortly?
[07:31:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> ```Call to a member function getLinkURL() on null
[07:31:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> from /srv/mediawiki/w/skins/Citizen/includes/Partials/Header.php(124)
[07:31:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #0 /srv/mediawiki/w/skins/Citizen/includes/Partials/Header.php(66): MediaWiki\Skins\Citizen\Partials\Header->getUserGroupsHTML()
[07:31:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #1 /srv/mediawiki/w/skins/Citizen/includes/SkinCitizen.php(93): MediaWiki\Skins\Citizen\Partials\Header->getUserInfoData(array)
[07:31:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #2 /srv/mediawiki/w/includes/skins/SkinMustache.php(58): MediaWiki\Skins\Citizen\SkinCitizen->getTemplateData()
[07:31:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #3 /srv/mediawiki/w/includes/skins/SkinTemplate.php(177): SkinMustache->generateHTML()
[07:31:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #4 /srv/mediawiki/w/includes/OutputPage.php(2876): SkinTemplate->outputPage()
[07:31:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #5 /srv/mediawiki/w/includes/MediaWiki.php(922): OutputPage->output(boolean)
[07:31:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #6 /srv/mediawiki/w/includes/MediaWiki.php(562): MediaWiki->main()
[07:31:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #7 /srv/mediawiki/w/index.php(50): MediaWiki->run()
[07:31:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #8 /srv/mediawiki/w/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
[07:31:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> #9 {main}```
[07:35:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> @atxatx ^
[07:36:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> Anyone here skilled on Page Forms?
[07:37:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I know some on it, but I am heading off for the night. Might be able to potentially assist tomorrow.
[07:38:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I'll submit a patch for that tomorrow also if Alistair doesn't push a fix by then.
[07:39:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> LOL?
[07:39:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> 
[07:39:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> > This action was automatically detected as malicious and therefore was not performed. If you think your action was constructive, please contact an administrator and describe what you tried to contribute. Short description of the violated rule: Protect certain pages while allowing Board access
[07:40:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> You must have tried to edit a board page? Those are protected by the absuefilter allowing only non-admin board members to edit (Like Owen) IIRC.
[07:41:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> Ich bin kein Admin?
[07:42:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> You’re not a director
[07:43:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> What page did you get it on?
[07:44:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> You have to be a board director to edit those pages. What did you try to change and on what page, and if it is a justifiable change I can make it for you real quick if I have time.
[07:47:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> I try to edit https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Responding_to_threats
[07:47:32] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Responding to threats - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[07:47:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> Only, you have no rights?
[07:47:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1073510577290358784/grafik.png
[07:52:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Who doesn't?
[07:53:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> What about it?
[07:53:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> If me, then my on-wiki username is Universal Omega, not CosmicAlpha, On-wiki CosmicAlpha is just my alternate account I don't use.
[07:54:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> why do you want to edit, in the first place?
[07:55:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> also, I wanted to clarify, there's now no point in tags/key words in WikiSEO?
[08:02:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> Aren't you a global sysop?
[08:02:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> Because the tags have been removed?
[08:03:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> yes
[08:04:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> removed where?
[08:23:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> > ...allowing only ***non-admin*** board members
[08:25:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> How can I fix the title, as it is Portable Infobox?
[08:25:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1073519955175276595/image.png
[08:28:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Huh?
[08:29:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Justman10000> You said, only no administrators can edit this
[08:29:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Admins can edit anyway, that AbuseFilter allowes Directors who aren't admins to edit it.
[08:30:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I'm going to sleep.
[09:20:56] <Naleksuh>	 @osmicAlpha Once you are back can you get on iRC?
[09:21:19] <Naleksuh>	 @CosmicAlpha
[09:25:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Quadcross> I would like to ask how could I check how many times a page jas been edited
[09:28:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> check page information using `&action=info`
[09:30:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Quadcross> thanks
[11:54:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <luv * lab * poison 22ate!> why is the table of contents on the side now?
[11:54:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <luv * lab * poison 22ate!> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1073572711823069274/image.png
[12:01:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <moskys> New Vector skin plus Mediawiki 1.39. That 'Beginning' label makes my eyes bleed every single time
[12:02:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <luv * lab * poison 22ate!> me too 😭
[12:11:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> you can change your preferable skin in user settings tho
[12:12:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> but yeah, vector 2022 wasn't very welcomed
[12:44:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <OatCookies> Goodnight!
[12:50:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <moskys> I actually like it, even this side TOC. It's the word 'Beginning' that bothers me, had they chosen 'Intro' or 'Header' instead I could easily look past the changes. Now I don't know if I should rename those NOTOC sections
[13:11:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Berat> @Adenin Konas
[13:16:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> don't ping without a message
[13:18:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Berat> I'm trying to reach my friend
[13:22:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Its just frowned upon to ping people in this server without telling them why you pinged them. Just fyi
[14:35:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tera> Dotting this before making a support post to investigate
[14:35:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tera> I modified some stuff recently but nothing that should have affected WikiSEO
[15:07:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <atxatx> Fixed
[15:21:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <superanxietyrabies> Today in using tables for things they aren't supposed to be used for: Why import ambox when you can just use table?
[16:03:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> Hellooo, I already have one Wiki I requested from zero, but I'm considering moving one of my Fandom Wikis to Miraheze. Is there a recommended order to go about it? Should I just request a new Wiki normally, or is there something else I should do first to guarantee I can do a data dump?
[16:07:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Request your wiki first, then depending on the size of the dump, use Special:Import to import it, or file at request at Special:RequestImportDump on Meta
[16:10:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Note you'll have to ask fandom for a wiki dump probably first to ensure you can import stuff, and also note that images are just more tricky in general since there isn't a technical tos compliant way to get them except pulling one by one.
[16:12:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> Do I have to *ask* Fandom? Or is it just a request within the site?
[16:12:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> If the wiki is small you could use Special:Export
[16:13:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> But that requires specifying page names, so it only works on a small scale
[16:13:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> You could theoretically use it to export the entire wiki, but it would be a slow and tedious process checking each namespace
[16:14:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I thought there was an in-wiki way to request a dump in general on fandom, but I forget the particulars - someone more familiar would need to advise, perhaps @Agent
[16:14:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> He is particularly familiar with the process of bringing wikis over from Fandom
[16:15:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yeah, you can get a database dump at Special:Statistics on your Fandom wiki
[16:15:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> It's a 44 pages Wiki. I know files may be tedious to move over, but I'm more willing to take the "risk" for this Wiki than I am for bigger Wikis I'm on
[16:15:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Then you can just upload that to [[Special:RequestImportDump]] here on Miraheze Meta
[16:15:36] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestImportDump
[16:15:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestImportDump>
[16:15:37] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Not logged in - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[16:16:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> At 44 pages it could be worth using Special:Import locally, but if that misbehaves then ^ is ideal
[16:16:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> The main issue on Special:Import is that it will choke at larger import sizes
[16:16:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> So the order would be
[16:16:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> - request new miraheze wiki
[16:16:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> - once/if created, get the database dump
[16:16:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> - then go to requestimportdump on miraheze?
[16:16:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yes
[16:16:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Do you have a lot of images to bring as well?
[16:17:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> 347 according to special:statistics
[16:17:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Ah... might be an extra step if you want them then, as Fandom is less friendly in giving you those
[16:18:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> database dumps do not include images by default
[16:19:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> I know 🥺 otherwise I may have moved a long time ago
[16:19:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> Tysm for the explanations! I'll look into it further whenever possible
[16:19:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> There are tricks for that as well
[16:20:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> [[Moving a wiki to Miraheze]] might be helpful
[16:20:07] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Moving_a_wiki_to_Miraheze
[16:20:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Moving_a_wiki_to_Miraheze>
[16:20:09] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Moving a wiki to Miraheze - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[16:20:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Specifically the Images portion of the Fandom section
[16:20:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> er
[16:20:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I thought it still mentioned the WikiTeam tool
[16:20:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam
[16:20:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> I was told about a tool that might require python, which is a bit out of my skillset,,,
[16:20:57] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] GitHub - WikiTeam/wikiteam: Tools for downloading and preserving wikis. We archive wikis, from Wikipedia to tiniest wikis. As of 2020, WikiTeam has preserved more than 250,000 wikis. | github.com
[16:21:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> yeah
[16:21:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> maybe someone can run the bot for you
[16:23:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <collateral damage> I'll keep looking into it, ask my community what they think of the move, and at worst... go the tedious route o(￣┰￣*)ゞ
[16:50:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> am I allowed to link to a gofundme on my wiki? a friend is doing a healthcare fundraiser and I want to help spread the word (I could swear I'd read a policy page about what is and isn't allowed in terms of money but the only search results I get are for Miraheze's own fundraisers)
[16:50:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You're probably thinking about the [[Content Policy]]
[16:50:28] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy
[16:50:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy>
[16:50:30] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Content Policy - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[16:50:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Our ToU is rather slim so as to allow community positions to enforce the things other T&S teams would normally do (like conduct, etc.)
[16:51:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Linking to it is perfectly fine. The only thing you can't use a wiki for is as a store page lol
[16:51:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You can't sell stuff via your wiki
[16:52:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> oh okay. that's an obvious place for that information to be, now I feel a bit silly in hindsight :p
[17:59:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cibryll> Is there like a limit on how many wikis a person can have? 🤔
[18:00:19] <Naleksuh>	 Not really, but there's no need for pointless wikis
[18:00:25] <Naleksuh>	 Also inactive wikis are removed over time
[18:01:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Thanks!
[18:02:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Naleksuh: sure I can get on IRC for a minute.
[18:02:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Give me 5 minutes and I will.
[18:06:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> As a general rule, users should keep to 3-5 wikis being actively developed at a time.  Anything above three projects that aren't at maturity will raise questions.
[18:07:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> We do reserve the right to refuse a request for new wikis for excessive requests or excessive ongoing projects.
[18:07:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> *if the user has shown a pattern of excessive requests or excessive ongoing projects that are getting abandoned
[18:29:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <superanxietyrabies> What's the prefix for on-wiki tutorial/reference pages? Is it `Help:Page`?
[18:30:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> I only have 2 wikis, one much more active then the other
[18:40:13] <CosmicAlpha>	 Yes, Naleksuh?
[19:41:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Clarissa Au> I'm still stuck with TNT
[19:41:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Clarissa Au> I have absolutely no idea with why a module will say no JsonConfig even after it is enabled
[19:52:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Have you tried purging the page?  This is different than clearing browser cache and is found under More > Purge, or can be reached directly by &action=purge
[21:11:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheOGDominic> am i able to make it so that my wiki's link is `wiki.my-website.com` instead of `my-website.miraheze.org`. I have a domain name and I don't want to point people to a website that doesn't look like I own it
[21:12:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Just ran headfirst into this, so out of curiosity: how outdated is the CSS parser? It doesn't believe `:is(.thisclass, .thatclass, .otherclass) .anotherone { DECLARATIONS }` is correct and tried to tell me it was an error even though it works fine when I tell it to ignore it and do it.
[21:14:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I'm going to guess this page has your answer: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains
[21:14:18] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Custom domains - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[21:39:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <kimora> my shit never be working istg :sob
[21:40:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> it do be like that w/ Wikipedia templates
[21:41:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> hence why we keep telling people to not do that lol
[21:49:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> wikipedia doesn't make it very transparent what dependencies are needed in each module's documentation and I don;t think export import thing handles dependencies either?
[21:50:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Though depending on the template itself I think it is worthwhile to actually get them working since they are extremely flexible
[21:51:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> There is an option to import all dependencies, but it doesn't work sometimes
[21:51:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> Also importing wikipedia templates/modules is a very tedious task. You should really consider making the template/module yourself or importing from another miraheze wiki you know
[21:52:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> Auch imports don't end on a few pages, they can stretch to a hundred or more
[21:54:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> The thing is, if you're having trouble getting all the Lua imported then wouldn't it also be hard to create the same templates  from scratch with Lua yourself
[21:57:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> You shouldn't need Lua for most infoboxes on smaller wikis, Portable Infobox should be all your need really in most cases
[22:08:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> You most likely don't need *all* the functionality of a wikipedia template, plus most of the dependencies aren't necessary. A lot of wikipedia's templates are overcomplicated and huge
[22:09:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> Agreed with Portable Infobox, yup
[22:13:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Centrist16> the path of requiring most of the functionalities and dependencies of Wikipedia's templates should generally only be pursued by those whose wikis' aim is to emulate the impression or feel of a Wikipedia article such as with worldbuilding or althistory ones (countries and whatnot). Wikis about fandoms should just do portable infobox for their needs
[22:15:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> Even with worldbuilding, making custom infoboxes/templates is more powerful since it allows to tailor the template to wiki's needs without unneeded bulk. But I understand that not everyone has time to learn all of this
[22:15:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> PortableInfobox can be extended and styled quite flexibly as well I'd say
[22:15:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Centrist16> indeed, it requires some patience and time, and for beginners, it's a very daunting task
[22:16:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> Wikipedia templates are like a trap for wikis that don't need all the complexity. There's been so many support posts for failed imports haha
[22:17:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Oh I agree that PI is the easiest way to get an infobox but other templates don’t have a nice extension for that. If you absolutely need a wp template based on lua then you can skip some of the import hell by making dummy modules or simply remove code that you don’t need, provided you know lua.
[22:17:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Centrist16> I also think some people have the impression that these templates are innately built-in or that they do not require that many dependencies
[22:19:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> WP has good documentation for using the template but not what’s required to make it so I can’t exactly fault people for the latter case
[22:22:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Centrist16> not to mention some have Lua and Wikidata involved
[22:22:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Centrist16> the latter case being a rather troublesome headache to work around
[22:22:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> New people should look for bigger established wikis that are similar in topic rather than wikipedia I feel
[22:22:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ChaoticShadow> Yeah I just cut out wikidata code
[22:23:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Xena> But Wikipedia is like the first choice because it's so popular haha