[01:01:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Talthiel> Hmm, cause I had originally created the wiki as a private wiki, but now I just want the editing to be private but for people to be able to view it whenever
[01:24:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> is it a private wiki?
[01:27:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Talthiel> ye, would it change that if I make it public?
[01:28:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes
[01:28:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the bot that accesses your wiki will get a cant view because you dont have permissions etc etc message and the page that is rendered for the message is Special:Badtitle
[01:29:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> they arent redirected to the Special:Badtitle url but mediawiki acts as if the page the user is on is Special:Badtitle when rendering the response
[01:29:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no clue why probably a technical limitation
[01:29:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Talthiel> so I've made it public
[01:30:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Talthiel> but that doesn't make it so everyone can edit it now right?
[01:30:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Talthiel> only those with the permission can do so?
[01:31:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yep, as long as you removed edit and createpage permissions from *, people will be able to see but not edit any pages.
[01:32:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> If that right is still present on members, logged-in users will be able to edit.
[01:34:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Talthiel> Ah ok
[01:35:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> If you want to make sure that only the people you explicitly grant the right to will be able to edit, you'd want to create a new permission role called editors (or whatever you like), give it the edit right, then apply that role to yourself and any other users.
[01:35:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Then, finally, remove edit permissions from the standard Users role
[03:02:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> could do something similar but use autopatrolled as the editors group
[03:05:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Seconded, only reason not to do that is to have granular control of edit permissions only
[03:06:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> "Confirmed" (ie. the manual one) is another decent candidate that could be used as well, really depends on the specific setup ones looks for what group should be used
[03:39:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> uh oh wiki creators are being replaced by chatgpt
[03:39:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1074897530237763594/image.png
[03:40:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1074898001341972510/image.png
[03:44:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Well that makes me think of the Tom Scott video posted earlier today xD <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhJbKBuNnA>
[03:52:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Heh, this is both a game I already played w chat gpt and a video in my watch list
[03:55:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Chat GPT is both interesting and narrowly smart in certain ways that are not so good. 
[03:55:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[03:55:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I'm interested to see how future iterations go and how we might be able to actually use it at MH with human oversight.
[04:32:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[04:58:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I was going to integrate it into CreateWiki to replace the current AI and give better results, but it isn't free API usage, so couldn't end up doing that right now...
[04:58:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> The pennies and pence add up. 💯
[04:59:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[05:00:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> ChatGPT isn't even 100% free itself anymore, and eventually the free version is supposedly going away, ChatGPT Pro is out, which is 20$/month right now.
[05:00:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i didnt hear about the free version going away
[05:00:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it makes sense they have a paid version
[05:01:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 20 a month is a bit steep
[05:01:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> It has been planned for a long time. The pro verison is just a trial to see how it goes before any permanent decision on it.
[05:01:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> mehh
[05:01:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe
[05:02:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> The OpenAI discord server is also the largest Discord server in existence now IIRC.
[05:03:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> With almost 3,000,000 members, when I joined a few months ago, it had about 1/10th of what it has now.
[05:04:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> genshin impact server is the largest
[05:04:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> wait nvm
[05:04:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its not
[05:04:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i thought it wasnt possible
[05:04:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> how the hell did openai get a member limit increase up to 3 mil
[05:04:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> A month ago it was only 1,200,000
[05:04:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> 2 months ago it was only 200,000
[05:05:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I honestly didn't think it was possible to build a Discord server up to 3,000,000 members...
[05:06:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I thought there was a limit.
[05:08:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> There has been about 300,000 members joining since I checked 3 or so days ago
[05:09:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Over 200 members in the last 30 seconds.
[05:10:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the genshin impact server had capped at 1 million
[05:11:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Think about this within 1 hour the OpenAI server gets more members than FANDOM, this server, mediawiki, and wikipedia (all major MediaWiki servers) combined has total.
[05:11:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> AFAIK, normal cap is 250K members and after that you need to apply for extensions
[05:11:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> damn yea
[05:11:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ik
[05:11:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> again the genshin server had kept increasing their cap over and over again but it wasnt possible once it reached 1 mil
[05:12:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> iirc Discord's own Snowgiving server also capped out at 1 mil so presumably they've improved their infra since to allow higher caps
[05:12:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I'm pretty sure they arent going to give OpenAI any limit because of the size of their company, and newfound notability with it.
[05:13:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> (plus also the ability to partner on favorable terms at a later date...)
[05:16:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> Do wonder just how much DM scams you'd get if you joined the OpenAI server with DMs open to anyone
[05:16:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> FYI in the time we have been talking OpenAI has gained an increase in aboht 5,000 members. (nearly the size of this server)
[05:19:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Good thing they don't have any welcome messages....
[05:20:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[05:20:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[06:54:58] <Guest87>	 Why real life villains wiki temporary closed?
[06:55:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Unsubstantiated claims about living people.  The admins had 60 days from closure to delete or resolve those claims
[06:56:41] <Guest87>	 So what other wiki?
[06:57:02] <Guest87>	 Beside RLVW
[08:32:51] <Reception123>	 .in 10h check databases with no cw_wikis entries and drop
[08:33:23] <Reception123>	 oh right, the bot is down
[08:33:27] <Reception123>	 cc @RhinosF1
[08:37:33] <CosmicAlpha>	 Reception123: they mentioned it might be down the rest of the week.
[08:58:09] <Reception123>	 oh
[09:39:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Ooyama> I know many wikis hosted on Wikia/Fandom/Gamepedia are purely unofficial
[10:15:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> Any one used Page Forms?
[10:15:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> I might need some help here. Beside the Medik skin glitched the Portable Infobox.
[10:43:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> :bruh:
[11:35:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> Can I have a list of what wiki are using Page Forms here? I might just find help myself.
[11:54:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> are you using Semantic MW or Cargo tho?
[12:12:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> Wait... Neither of them?
[12:13:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> I just using it to provide form edit for the users 💀
[14:09:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> Nevermind. Let's turn on Cargo then.
[14:09:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> SMW is not going to be officially supported any times soon.
[14:27:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> Cargo has to be requested thi
[14:27:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> because it's heavy
[15:07:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> #
[15:10:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Pisces Kaze> Btw I do expect a support channel for data querying extensions like #, WB, Page Forms, SMW if they should be there.
[16:41:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I don't know about expecting, but by all means ask as needed; just note that it is a fairly obscure extension used on the platform and therefore there are few available to troubleshoot and limited availability with those who are
[17:01:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> What mistakes do people often make use designing CSS themes for their wiki?
[17:17:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Some things I'd avoid are low contrast with the main article body background and text, too much of one color, etc.
[17:22:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> cosmos (among other skins) has quite a lot of settings that simplify skinning that should be looked at before heading over to inspect element and doing the job manually
[17:23:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I was guilty of that, ie, deleted the side rail on it with css when I could have done it right in settings
[17:30:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> Is my theme too low or two high contrast?
[17:30:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> I found the CSS easier some times
[17:35:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Can you send a picture of your theme applied to your wiki?
[17:39:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075109148401881159/4w345454654.png
[17:40:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> I believe text is too low contrast
[17:45:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 1. good work on gnu/linux (i think thats what you use)
[17:45:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 2. download firefox and use their accessibility tools to check contrast
[18:09:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Looks good to me, although as Collei said, you can use a contrast checker (I believe one is also built into Chrome and Chromium-based browsers)
[18:20:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> Do you think there is too much of one colour
[18:21:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> The background gives variety to the wiki theme, so I'd say no
[18:22:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> Seen any really ugly themes?
[18:22:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> No, I haven't seen any
[18:26:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> Seen a few bad main pages myself, those was a mess... looking at the now closed network and its spin off wikis
[18:26:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> https://quyraness.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page - I like my main page
[19:17:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Great theme!
[19:18:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Is it a custom skin.css?
[19:20:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> Yes
[19:32:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Bobbitibob> So, basically, the wiki I'm making is creating a fictional world, where the wiki itself is part of the lore where it's supposed to be made by the government of the world. Because of this, I'm planning to make the vast majority of the edits that I make invisible to people to make it seem more in-character. When I'm on the screen to edit visibility of revisions, it gives a warning and to make sure it follows the policy. 
[19:43:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Can we use it on miraheze?
[19:45:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Eytirth> I would rather not use my wiki's custom CSS
[19:48:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Can we use this kind* of CSS, not a copy, I mean
[19:49:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> But why won't you use it?
[19:58:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> You can use Cosmos, yes, but try not to exactly copy their CSS.
[19:59:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Yes, of course the later is not that's not fair
[20:13:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> You can enable Cosmos in Special:ManageWiki/extensions.
[20:51:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Meteor> 🥱
[21:19:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @Meteor can we assist?
[22:23:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> @Tali64 Are you currently reviewing our wiki (Xomni) due to the Chinese version request?
[22:23:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> I just approved that request
[22:23:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> Oh alright
[22:23:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> thanks
[22:25:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> You're welcome
[22:52:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> Sorry to disturb you but how does this work?
[22:52:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075187708596588595/image.png
[22:52:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> It's not showing up
[22:52:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> how can I make it work?
[22:53:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NFMiraheze> How do I get abuse filter on my Wiki
[22:53:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NFMiraheze> Abuse Filter
[22:55:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> It should be enabled by default, if it's not, go to Special:ManageWiki/extensions, find the "AbuseFilter" box and make sure it's ticked
[22:55:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NFMiraheze> Thanks
[22:55:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> What extension is that
[22:56:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> oh shit I forgot this is an extension
[22:56:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> I have to put it in the other wiki too
[22:56:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> 💀
[22:56:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> My bad man
[22:56:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> No worries
[23:11:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> Ok I added the extension on the other it still isn't working
[23:12:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Which extension are you using
[23:12:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> I think it's universal language selector and translate
[23:12:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> but I'm honestly not sure
[23:12:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075192943650013354/image.png
[23:12:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075192943859736606/image.png
[23:12:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> It's on both wikis
[23:13:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> I can't find neither of them though
[23:15:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Here's the official documentation for both of those extensions: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate
[23:26:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> yea so it's neither of them apparently
[23:26:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> but yea when I open a page
[23:26:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> there appears to be a lot of
[23:26:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> wikis
[23:26:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> except ours
[23:26:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Is it Interwiki
[23:27:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> Sorry how do I know if it is?
[23:27:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> like how do I put it in stuff like this
[23:27:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Antoniokf5> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075196651670601758/image.png
[23:30:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> I'm not sure about that
[23:31:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> But you can request that an interwiki administrator add a prefix for the wikis on the Community Noticeboard