[01:57:43] [discord] I can't copy and paste the source [02:01:20] [discord] Hmm, I see what you mean [02:01:32] [discord] Can you link to your wiki so I can post it there [02:08:29] [discord] oh @max20091 [02:08:45] [discord] at this url is directly embedded through common.css in a background-image [02:08:54] [discord] and the webp format + compression is preserved in this format [02:08:57] [discord] that is deliberate [02:09:11] [discord] so instead of a large png file this webp is literally just slightly over 600 bytes [02:09:29] [discord] the image file is smaller than the wiki's css [02:37:03] [discord] Bing + ChatGPT is pretty neat. [02:37:04] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075606708426125442/image.png [02:38:01] [discord] Yeah, it is really nice! [02:38:57] [discord] The reference bit is neat, especially considering ChatGPT's history with falsifying references. [02:42:49] [discord] -1 point for recommending Fandom as an alternative, though. [03:28:15] [discord] actually there is nothing close to Fandom or Miraheze tho [03:35:27] [discord] Pardon? [03:35:36] [discord] Yes there is. [03:35:48] [discord] ShoutWiki, wiki.gg, etc... [03:36:53] [discord] I really don’t get why people fork to wiki.gg. They still lock you into using one skin and there’s no customisability. I guess it gets you away from Fandom but that’s about it. [03:40:24] Yeah... though tbh that'd be reason enough for me. [03:44:40] [discord] Yeah but…_enters Miraheze_ 🫶🏻 [03:44:58] [discord] Almost anything is better than ad infestation lol [03:45:09] [discord] wiki.gg is more aimed towards game developers instead of the community [03:45:28] [discord] Oh totally. [03:45:29] [discord] I assume that they have more in-depth and designated support [03:46:17] [discord] Although 90% of their “official wikis” are from Freedom published games which I’d argue lowers their credibility since they’re probably using “we have x amount of official wikis” as their opening title. [03:47:43] [discord] They are technically official wikis though [03:48:11] [discord] Meh, I guess. [03:48:17] [discord] And there's also the fact that wiki.gg does have decent performance [03:48:48] [discord] Yeah they use aggressive Cloudflare caching. [03:48:55] [discord] Why we are on the subject of support, Miraheze is still trying to find other volunteers, including (and primarily):software developer, if any knows anyone who might be interested, please let us know. [03:48:55] [discord] [03:48:57] [discord] We aren't going anywhere, but if we are to sustain indefinitely we need to start thinking about the future and the next iteration of volunteers. Afterall, the current volunteers will not be able to stay forever. [03:50:53] [discord] If anyone is interested, or knows of anyone who might be interested, feel free to DM me or @Reception123. [03:52:46] [discord] Maybe I'll put this in #announcements... [04:00:10] @CosmicAlpha I was making some software but couldn't get anyone to test it out [04:00:18] Maybe you should look at it if you want a replacement [04:12:18] Naleksuh: I'll take a look shortly. [04:13:29] Also, here is a copy of the announcement I just made on Discord for IRC users https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lmcxpCCw [04:13:59] [discord] Could I get the Donor role, I donated this Christmas :) [04:14:33] [discord] Done. [04:14:37] Maybe I should have the donator role too? [04:15:08] Only on Discord, unfortunately, since it is a Discord role. [04:15:17] That was the joke [04:15:25] There is voice but voice is reserved for ops (for whatever reason) [04:15:42] Oh lol [04:22:15] [discord] Thank you! [04:38:49] [discord] So I have requested to reopen a wiki, it was approved. But the wiki is neither reopened nor do I have been assigned as bureaucrat for the wiki. Is there normally a delay of when a wiki is approved to be reopened to actually reopening? [04:40:12] [discord] AFAIK reopening a wiki does not automatically give you rights, you have to hold a local election for those IIRC... I am kinda out of the loop on the RfRW process though. [04:41:01] [discord] this is correct, a local election must be held [04:41:21] [discord] which wiki? it should've been reopened if the wiki is closed [04:41:48] [discord] Yeah, it should have still been reopened, but not rights being assigned automatically. [04:42:34] [discord] @mariojack3 what's the wiki? i can take a look [04:42:39] [discord] https://atwmc.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [04:43:14] [discord] looking [04:43:59] [discord] it was reopened... [04:43:59] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075638650550890536/Screen_Shot_2023-02-15_at_8.43.51_PM.png [04:44:10] [discord] @CosmicAlpha thoughts? technical error or something else [04:44:27] [discord] This banner is still above every page [04:44:27] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075638768586997771/image.png [04:44:37] [discord] Yeah, it is still closed. [04:45:06] [discord] If you didn't make any edit, it would have been closed again for inactivity today also. [04:45:29] [discord] oh i thought the 6 month period reset when it was opened [04:45:50] The script runs once a day and checks the activity on that wiki [04:45:57] [discord] Only if reopened from the local wiki, as that is a log, otherwise inactivity is retriggered. [04:45:57] Since there were still no edits in six months it is closed [04:45:57] [discord] It was just approved to be reopened within the past 24 hours and I haven't been able to make any edits [04:46:34] [discord] @Stewards could one reopen this wiki when you have a second [04:46:53] [discord] request already filed on RfRW and approved but the user didn't make an edit in time [04:48:38] @BWM Wikis can show as deleted but not actualyl be deleted [04:48:44] So don't close requests just because of that [04:49:00] [discord] To clarify I didn't know there was a window to make an edit, I check this morning around 2pm UTC and it was listed at approved at 7am UTC and waited until recently to ask to make sure there wasn't a delay [04:49:16] @mariojack3 Yes, it's not your fault [04:49:17] This shodln't be an issue but it is [04:49:35] [discord] Naleksuh: yes for the domain, but the ManageWiki settings are also gone [04:49:50] [discord] that's the "tell" between soft-deleted and "hard"-deleted [04:49:56] [discord] Yeah, not your fault, but that doesn't have an easy fix when the wiki is not reopened from the local wiki, and is not remotely. [04:50:07] [discord] any possible way to fix that [04:50:21] The farmer logs aren't searchable for whatever reason [04:50:48] [discord] Only with new database columns for a reopen timestamp, which has a lot of other implications, and does not live up to usefulness. [04:51:03] [discord] maybe run the script less than once a day? [04:51:15] [discord] We could run it weekly. [04:51:25] [discord] @Reception123 thoughts? [04:51:56] [discord] :SupportMH: [04:52:41] [discord] bi-weekly even if weekly isn't enough (maybe Sunday/Wednesday?) [04:53:33] Personally I think the dormancy policy existing at all is a bit silly and also gives fandom a huge one up [04:53:47] Especially because the new main page advertises the number of wikis so heavily. [04:54:16] [discord] there are flaws with the dormancy policy for sure [04:54:25] [discord] We don't have enough resources otherwise. [04:54:26] [discord] but removing it entirely seems bad [04:55:56] [discord] We had 7,000 wikis (our record) before permanent deletions today and yesterday and that was pushing limits for lime File storagez etc... first time running Dormancy Policy scripts in 4 months though.... since they were completely disabled during the db141 outages. [04:56:16] [discord] oh [04:56:23] I more so just mean that Fandom lets anyone create a wiki and basically never closes any of them. Miraheze makes users request wikis and has a very strict dormany policy [04:56:23] This is one of the reasons why I thought that the new main page shouldn't use it as advertising [04:56:23] [discord] ...typos... sorry, hope you get what I meant. [04:57:16] Naleksuh: see IRC PMs [04:57:39] [discord] You don't need to ping someone to check another ping. [04:58:04] [discord] true [04:58:48] Has anyone looked at the report yet? [04:58:48] A bit funny that yall are looking so hard for one but when one is made nobody cares [04:59:02] [discord] report? [04:59:23] huh? [04:59:44] The report script [04:59:53] There's an open task for it [05:00:06] [discord] afraid i don't follow [05:00:09] [discord] what report script [05:00:23] Oh, maybe the thing I just PMed you about. [05:01:37] [discord] ah [05:18:16] [discord] fandom does close semi empty wikis tho [05:19:35] [discord] especially the ones which weren't edited past creation (happened w/ one of mine) [05:28:35] I have a wiki which hasn't been edited in 3 years and is still up [05:56:57] [discord] If a wiki has above a certain number of pages on Fandom with ample content then the deletion script stops. [05:57:06] [discord] And won’t check for inactivity etc. [06:16:22] [discord] yeah [06:17:12] [discord] there's a wiki I maintained, wasn't edited since 2019 probably, it's just big enough content wise to still stay up [06:18:30] [discord] another practically died in late 2018, probably had 4 anon edits since, still enough stuff to be alive + after gamepedia merge it got "official wiki" badge [06:19:25] [discord] there's a lot of cases on Miraheze when wikis get abandoned roght after creation or template making attempt [06:20:29] [discord] speaking of, it seems like technomancer (I think that was his nickname) gone hiatus, his wiki in closed state now, he applied custom domain at least [06:20:52] [discord] Any one can help with my Page Schema infobox? [06:21:11] [discord] I need images to be shown on it. [06:21:19] [discord] never heard of such type [06:21:42] [discord] [[mw:Extension:Page Schema]] [06:21:42] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Page_Schema [06:21:43] [discord] [06:21:53] [discord] generally, if I have something on my mind, I look up for examples [06:22:47] [discord] huh, complicated [06:23:11] [discord] Wait... I can just use `[[File:*]]`... [06:23:11] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:* [06:24:45] [discord] It's not Portable Infobox, then it might instead need legacy way to shown it... [06:26:12] [discord] But as I need to have the frontand the back side of the book to show, I need a bit of assist to add `` to it... [06:27:00] [discord] Atm, I decided to not use any of the querying extensions, other than Page Forms and Page Schemas... [07:02:27] [discord] Paypal🚮 [07:03:55] [discord] rip lol [07:03:58] [discord] why tho? [07:04:18] [discord] and I guess just donation from PayPal still works? [07:04:24] [discord] Yes, just not through GH sponsors [07:04:28] [discord] Yss. [07:04:45] [discord] I will update the announcement to clarify that. [07:11:04] [discord] hi [07:11:10] [discord] where do I ask questions? [07:11:17] [discord] here [07:11:49] [discord] Feel free to ask away. [07:13:22] [discord] I gotta imagine it's some partnership woes stemming from "PayPal hearts fees, GitHub less so." [07:14:13] [discord] I'm looking for Agent, I emailed them a question about my wiki but I haven't received any further response since Sunday. Does anyone know how to reach them? [07:14:15] [discord] if I could, I'd directly bring cash to whoever represents MH lol [07:14:45] [discord] @Agent [07:16:08] [discord] Can I send them a direct message? [07:16:18] [discord] Sure. [07:17:16] [discord] You can post cash if you really want [07:17:52] Oh hey CosmicAlpha [07:18:09] I was working on a new special page but I didt know you were still online [07:19:01] [discord] Naleksuh: yeah? I was headed off then jumped on Discord for an announcement, and just kinda got stuck online again. I am heading off soon though, but can jump on IRC for a minute. [07:19:10] Lol I was also about to go to bed [07:19:12] [discord] Does anyone know when they might be online? Sorry if I'm pestering, I'm just curious [07:19:36] [discord] doubtful in my case lol [07:20:19] [discord] consider time zones [07:20:28] [discord] he's in western hemisphere [07:58:27] [discord] maybe we could save storage on miraheze by finding some way to simply erase vandalism revisions from the database that are multiple gb large [07:59:08] [discord] select revisions over 1 gb that were reverted by a globally locked vandalism only account and then drop them from the database [07:59:09] [discord] [07:59:10] [discord] saves probably hundreds of gigabytes of storage [08:05:17] Text doesn't take up that much, hundreds of GBs would be our entire database servers... [08:05:45] [discord] They are no revisions over 1 gb [08:06:06] [discord] As discussed in #ID:443926951292567562 - this was an inability to read due to them being up late [08:06:27] [discord] Old files might but not text for sure [08:06:32] [discord] I'm pretty sure it isn't even possible, as IIRC there are limits in MediaWiki for that. [08:06:40] [discord] @CosmicAlpha yes [08:06:50] [discord] The user mistook 2mb for 2gb [08:06:55] [discord] Big difference [08:07:25] [discord] oh [08:10:17] [discord] I’m 100% sure both parsers would crash at 1GB [08:30:06] [discord] wow only hundreds of GBs for the database servers [08:30:28] [discord] imagine a troll getting a wiki and then using bots to spam as many revisions as they can [08:30:40] [discord] they could definitely get to hundreds of GBs with enough dedication [08:35:27] [discord] It would take impossible amounts of revisions to happen before it was detected. [08:35:50] [discord] It just isn't possible with revisions solely. [08:41:22] [discord] Well I need to go. [08:42:37] [discord] As it is 2AM. [09:02:28] [discord] good night ✨ [09:20:55] [discord] Is there a skin.css to customize a current wiki skin? [09:25:21] [discord] common.css, most likely,it applies *to all skins* tho [09:26:14] [discord] different skins are built differently, so per skin css is required, something might simply not apply to all via common.css or break something [11:26:57] [discord] Um, what's causing this? The original template is working fine, but when I implement it this happens. [11:26:57] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075740061322203286/29689729-0944-42ae-8495-2f9f62296e8e.png [11:32:19] [discord] what template you tried to import? [11:33:41] [discord] I imported mbox, and then I created another template using mbox which is literally the template you see but with a red border. The Template page works fine. Code for the template I created: [11:33:42] [discord] [11:33:43] [discord] {{mbox [11:33:44] [discord] | type = speedy [11:33:46] [discord] | text = You don't have permission to access this page [11:33:47] [discord] }} [11:34:26] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1075741944220762212/e19b44b3-6b83-4a2d-b4f6-29740833e317.png [11:35:07] [discord] I literally just did {{PermissionBox}} and the error message displayed. [11:35:07] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PermissionBox [11:35:08] [discord] [11:45:41] [discord] Weird, I literally just entered same code which I entered on PermissionBox on another page and for some reason it threw that error despite it working perfectly on PermissionBox. [12:50:29] [discord] Wait, can you edit that template? [14:19:52] [discord] Update: Somehow (I've no fucking clue how) I've managed to make the error message go away, but there is no red border. [14:22:43] [discord] Update: Fixed it by copying a ambox.css page from somewhere. I have no idea why the original template page worked though. [14:48:10] hey howddya change the logo on miraheze wiki? [14:48:25] * kreyren wants to put the base48 logo on base48.miraheze.org [14:49:06] found it [14:49:12] it's in https://base48.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-styling [15:03:49] https://base48.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page ehh.. i filled the logos and it's doing weird things now [15:03:50] O.o [15:03:53] should just say base48 [15:04:29] https://i.imgur.com/fobxNqf.png [15:08:37] * kreyren found https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:LogoFunctions [15:10:44] * kreyren has no idea what is he doing [15:33:56] [discord] Good midnight! [15:36:03] kreyren: It appears to be working as expected. It looks like your image is a little too big. It could potentially take a bit of time to take effect for you due to caching. [15:36:32] MacFan4000, it has base48 logo and then base48 wordmark [15:36:37] the wordmark is unwanted O.o [15:38:05] the default skin will use whatever is set for the icon and wordmark [15:38:24] can i make it to use only the logo? [15:52:33] Not unless you change which skin is the default [15:53:00] O.o [16:24:10] * kreyren submitted https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10509 [16:31:22] Reception123, replied in https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10509#211651 [16:32:52] kreyren: it's in the Parser hooks section [16:33:16] oh i am blinddd thanks! :D [16:37:22] no problem :) [16:50:30] ehh i can't figure out why is it overlapping everything like that @_@ help? https://base48.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [16:53:16] It should be like at the right side wrapped around the text O.o [16:53:31] Like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki [16:55:55] oh declaring that as template fixes it [16:56:02] .. and then breaks it again [16:56:02] aAAAaaaAAAa [16:56:20] should be like this https://i.imgur.com/mSQMcpY.png [16:56:32] instead of this https://i.imgur.com/0Px2KP0.png [16:57:05] [discord] The merging of irc and Discord chat is also good, but in Discord images/plugins take up a lot of space on mobile. [16:59:08] [discord] Kreyren: By the way, the non-profit organization that offers MediaWiki services for free, I totally agree. [16:59:36] * kreyren confused [17:02:59] * kreyren figured out how to break something again~ https://i.imgur.com/h8uDHam.png [17:08:46] [discord] turkey, irc users can't see discord replies, only separate messages [17:13:07]