[00:46:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> do we know what happened to SPF?
[00:47:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> i stumbled across his user page and remembered
[00:47:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> he hasn’t been seen in 18 or so months
[00:48:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> SPF kinda left after resigning as Meta Bureaucrat.
[00:50:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> he was revoked from sysadmin right
[00:50:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> because no one could make contact?
[00:50:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Yes, but eventually he actually resigned from Meta Bureaucrat, which is last I think he has been here, but he is still around on WMF gerrit.
[00:51:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> oh
[00:51:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> interesting
[00:51:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> was there an explanation or did he just lose interest eventually
[01:29:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> ok so how do I import the CSS? I need it for infoboxes?
[01:31:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> @Tali64
[01:31:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> Make sure the CSS and TemplateStyles extensions are enabled, then import them like any other page
[01:32:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> wdym template styles?
[01:44:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> There is an extension under manage extensions > parser hooks called template styles.  It allows per-template CSS formatting and should be enabled for formatting to work
[01:49:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> ok it's enabled what now? I got js and css imported
[01:50:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Tali64> If you haven't already, call the CSS you want via {{#css:pagename}}
[01:50:53] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23css:Template:pagename 
[01:56:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> Do I use this to import templates?
[01:56:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078133321718050886/Screenshot_2023-02-22_8.55.23_PM.png
[02:07:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> got it
[02:08:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> thanks so much @Tali64& @NotAracham
[04:45:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> @Agent see DMs
[04:58:17] <Naleksuh>	 @BWM Are you copying this behavior from me?
[04:58:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> hm?
[04:59:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> i'm not sure i follow
[05:02:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> @Reception123 too if possible
[05:10:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jatotz> How would I add a logo to my wiki?
[05:11:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jatotz> Kinda like this
[05:11:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jatotz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078182173791748157/image.png
[05:11:03] <Naleksuh>	 @BWM I told someone to check their PMs here once and now you've done it like 8 times since then
[05:11:13] <Naleksuh>	 I did that because they weren't connected to IRC but were on Discord
[05:11:22] <Naleksuh>	 Meanwhile you just tell someone to check what they already are
[05:11:43] <Naleksuh>	 As I think CosmicAlpha[m] told you something along the lines of "there's no need to ping someone to check another ping"
[05:11:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> You're basically pinging someone to check a ping again...
[05:12:21] <Naleksuh>	 Wait am I though?
[05:12:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Not that it's especially important, but but this is a pretty common thing that Brandon has done for months, so it's not a mimicking behavior if that's what you're asking.
[05:12:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Naleksuh: yep, I think that is my exact words a few days ago. And no, what you did was different since they weren't already on IRC.
[05:13:04] <Naleksuh>	 I didn't locate your exact message, I just retyped what I remember
[05:13:10] <Naleksuh>	 So it might not be the exact words but it's the idea
[05:14:19] <Naleksuh>	 Found it
[05:14:21] <Naleksuh>	 [2023-02-15 23:57:39] <mhbridgebot> [discord] <CosmicAlpha> You don't need to ping someone to check another ping.
[05:15:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Logos/Icons can be added via the Manage Additional Settings > Styling and setting an image for the Icon or Logo, depending on the skin
[05:16:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> More details: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/ManageWiki#How_do_I_change_my_logo.2Ffavicon.3F
[05:16:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jatotz> Thanks
[05:40:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @Agent this thread has been awaiting your reply for some time now
[05:40:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078189589270888478/image.png
[05:57:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Hypercane> Um, that seems like quite the topic.
[05:58:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I was hoping someone else would tackle that
[05:59:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I think just about everything that needs to be said has been said, depending on exactly which multi-page missive from Money that's excerpted from
[06:00:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> My understanding is that Money was asking a bit too insistently about it and got blocked
[06:00:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Hypercane> I just read something else relating to them too there.
[06:01:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> They have 3, possibly 4 topics going at present.  All of which relate to gripes with different wiki's teams and/or intentions to revive contested wikis that were closed by their administration
[06:02:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> After a certain point, an emergent pattern says something about the person as opposed to the administration...
[06:03:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Hypercane> That's ultimately what I gathered too. There are some less than ideal administrations out there, but I don't believe this might be the case.
[06:18:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> @Naleksuh, question for my edification: does IRC have any sort of baked-in asynchronous messaging option?  Or is that something that's part of the forever-distant V3 standard?
[06:19:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> (and yes, I know I'm describing email, but I'm curious if there's any in-platform equivalent I might not be aware of. 🙂 )
[06:22:36] <Naleksuh>	 @NotAracham No, there's no built-in way to do that
[06:22:44] <Naleksuh>	 Libera.chat does have an unofficial means of doing so, though
[06:23:08] <Naleksuh>	 And frankly I hate V3 and the idea of remotely deleting messages and other such nonsense. I hope to use a different IRC client someday
[06:23:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Neat, I'm assuming it's some kind of of iffy hostcached-then-delivered situation for async messages?
[06:25:07] <Naleksuh>	 MemoServ is a bot run by the network that will automatically message them when they reconnect
[06:31:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Thanks.  I'll do a deeper dive once I'm out of the work-sludge.
[06:32:08] <Naleksuh>	 I mean do you want to use IRC more or something?
[06:32:14] <Naleksuh>	 I thought you were always talking over the bridge
[06:33:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Mostly, but I'm still dabbling in what could be a viable alternative and whether IRC can get there.  
[06:33:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[06:33:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Discord does a lot of things that make me cranky, but it also does enough things I consider minimum viable product for a platform I'll use.
[06:35:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Current project is migrating my password management solution, and that's taking priority 1 and also verging into off-topic.
[06:38:05] <Naleksuh>	 Christ not the fucking offtopic thing again
[06:38:17] <Naleksuh>	 Man I could talk about whatever here until it was bridged to Discord
[06:39:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Perhaps we need to just create an anarchy channel called '#the-bridge' specifically for this purpose. 🌉
[06:41:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> I think the offtopic rule is irrelevant personally if there is nothing else going on, it is only when other conversations are trying to be done that it also becomes an issue.
[06:43:06] <Naleksuh>	 So, you said you storing passwords on Discord?
[06:43:10] <Naleksuh>	 Seems like a not-good idea
[06:49:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Nah, discord replacement project and password mgr project are unrelated.
[06:49:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Password project is because I made the unfortunate choice of trusting lastpass and they've proven untrustworthy to the point that I'm migrating.
[06:51:04] <Naleksuh>	 I don't use any of those cloud based things
[07:15:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> main support channel is for support, common
[07:25:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> After chatting w/ the other discord mods + folks who have equivalent roles on IRC, consensus is:
[07:25:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[07:25:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 1.  If a conversation is off-topic from the start, it's not for general chat
[07:25:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 2.  Veering into off-topic from MH topics is fine, within reason
[07:25:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 3.  If you realize you're on an extended run of off-topic conversation, consider moving it to off-topic
[07:25:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 4.  If you're asked to move by a moderator, move it or quit it.
[07:25:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[07:25:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Hopefully that's pretty darn amenable to all involved.
[07:26:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> The underlying common-sense rule:  If you're disrupting someone getting the help they need, then this isn't the right place to be.
[07:42:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <carhles> nearing 500 pages on the ol wiki... need a custom text cake
[15:37:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> I recently started using KeypassXC and am really liking it
[15:38:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Plus Syncthing to sync my password database between my phone, computer, and server
[15:56:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Thanks, that's good to hear.  1Password is currently top in running for consideration based on:
[15:56:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[15:56:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 1. Native support for seamless sync across devices
[15:56:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 2. Stronger security vs what Lastpass *says* it does
[15:56:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 3. 'Family' plan to allow for pay-once, everyone gets access to the suite of features
[15:56:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 4. Simple setup of cross-user vaulting/sharing of password
[16:01:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jatotz> I can't get my logo to appear on my wiki
[16:01:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jatotz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078345768580173874/image.png
[16:01:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Make sure to also set wgIcon in ManageWiki settings
[16:01:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Vector 2022 doesn't use wgLogo, it uses wgIcon but all other skins use wgLogo
[17:00:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> yet another blow for the basic sense of vector22
[18:37:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jatotz> I know it's possible, but how would I make the site logo larger?
[18:55:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> on Vector 2022, you can't
[19:39:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> ~~not all actually~~
[19:40:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> refreshed and tweeki use a specific mediawiki page to handle that
[19:40:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> hurray for fragmentation
[20:17:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @Agent ye it was a horrid idea
[20:19:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oml this is hilarious, when you put genshin-impact.fandom into pagespeed.web.dev or gtmetrix, it crashes the lighthouse emulator
[20:19:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i was trying to compare genshinimpact.miraheze.org performance to genshin-impact.fandom.com
[21:45:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> can someone tell me how to get out of the visual editor?
[21:48:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> delete 've' in 'veaction=edit' is usually how I do it, stops VE from injecting crap into the source editor when I do manage to switch
[21:49:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> otherwise there should be a button saying 'edit source' or a switcher available by the edit button depending on the skin in use
[21:50:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> what skin is best? I'm using a roleplay wiki for Nationstates
[21:54:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Most popular if you don't like Vector include Timeless, Cosmos (but Cosmos needs extra styling to thrive) and Citizen. If you like the current Fandom layout you could use Evelution but I haven't been impressed with its behavior. There's a couple others I think are worth looking at but I'm going to have to look through skins again and probably give them reviews...
[21:55:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> can you give me the link for veaction=edit
[21:56:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> that trick is just editing the url if you are stuck in the visual editor
[21:56:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> it may help to have a screenshot of what you're looking at, you could make a thread in the support section also for more extended support
[21:58:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> it finally worked
[22:09:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> how do you get the module collapsible list to work?
[22:12:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <CosmicAlpha> Evelution really does have horrible performance, which impacts SEO I think (unless it has since been improved since I last looked), though there are some benefits of it as well.
[22:15:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> can't comment on module things, that is beyond my competence
[22:15:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I don't like it at all tbh, I avoid recommending it
[22:15:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Strong +1 for Cosmos here for Fandom emigrees.  The interface users interact with is really close to Fandom's.
[22:16:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I think I will work on a skin review page, just going through all the skins and seeing what they're on about
[22:16:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> probably a neat addition to my essayspace
[22:16:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yes please, that's been on my project backlog for ages.
[22:16:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Would love to just link to yours instead. 😄
[22:20:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> if I actually do it, that would certainly simplify matters
[22:26:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Nightmare668> I came from iiwiki if that gives any context
[22:26:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> oh cool
[22:27:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's been a hot minute since I've played NationStates
[22:35:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> A dedicated thread in #support with an OP listing all things in mind such as modules and whatever else would probably be best
[22:41:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e> Hii. Its been a while since I have been here
[22:42:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e> I came here to ask for help today.
[22:42:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e> So uhh.. you see this thing?
[22:42:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078446880159187076/image.png
[22:43:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e> I have no clue how to edit it.
[22:43:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> MediaWiki:Sidebar
[22:44:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> More details on the stuff you can do with it:
[22:44:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[22:46:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e> Oh ok. Thank you
[23:08:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> ah, I vaguely recall the dream logo wikis
[23:16:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <hb1290> The original CLG dream logo site was on WikiFoundry with the old main wiki. It was basically retired when we moved over to MH in 2020.
[23:23:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e> That is right. And now, due to low usership, I am sort of struggeling to keep it up. I proposed to hire anyone with skill and significance to help with the wiki, but unfortunately, nobody has picked it up yet.